Curse

Son Of The Axe · Jan 29, 2008, 08:46 AM // 08:46

So i was looking over some GvG matches, and i see rawr vs, dR, okay good match lets go watch.

I start ob'sing and much to my disappointment i see rawr has decided to fail and play hexway following in deer's, ei's, and jT's footsteps.

I had early seen rawr get nubstomped by jT running hexes and found it ironic that they would then sink to that level.

Luckily dR had predicted an influence in hexway and adjusted their build accordingly (clap clap) and nubstomped rawr in about 13 minutes which made me both laugh and like dR.

Anyway, why would rawr promote such a crappy build? Shouldn't they be working on how to counter it rather then sink to that level and be bad role models to other guilds? Don't they realize that people don't respect guilds who gain rank that way, (not that people really respected rawr too much before.)

Or is that just why rawr fails and thus appropriately got whooped for their bad behavior?

la_cabra_de_vida · Jan 29, 2008, 08:52 AM // 08:52

I lol'ed when i saw rawr trying to run hexes. You could tell they put it together in about 2 minutes as well. They should stick to their fortressway.

Ensign · Jan 29, 2008, 09:29 AM // 09:29

The last few times we've played against them with our usual builds they lost pretty badly. I presume they picked up hexes to throw us a curveball and try and steal a win. When I was playing on teams that had lost a few games in a row to them we did the same thing. Unfortunately for them, we were tipped off weeks ago that they had something special planned for us, and when we saw the Necro log on while friendslist camping we knew what was up and specced them hard. This was just the sort of gamesmanship that takes place all the time in competitive matches.

Kyrein · Jan 29, 2008, 10:11 AM // 10:11

thats evil...... funny though, nice job dR

Div · Jan 29, 2008, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Wurms has always been a tough map for rawr when playing against us, due to the split nature of that map, and the fact their spikes are much harder to get through with the health shrine. If anything, I'd say rawr did a good job trying to change things up and not try to keep banging their heads into the wall with an 8v8 build that has a high chance of losing on that map. And yes, as ensign said, we managed to spec them hard and it paid off. rawr played well that match, and if it weren't for the spec, it would be a very interesting match.

Responding to the other poster, I don't think it was something they threw together right before the match. They have been planning a hexes build for a while now, but just didn't show it until now. It is one of the stronger hex build templates out there, though hexes in general aren't nearly as strong as before and individual skills could be worked better.

IMMORTAlMITCH · Jan 29, 2008, 11:22 AM // 11:22

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Unfortunately for them, we were tipped off weeks ago that they had something special planned for us, and when we saw the Necro log on while friendslist camping we knew what was up and specced them hard.

If they planned this for weeks, you'd think they could have came up with a build that wasn't as shit as the one they ended up running..

That was quite possibly the worst build I've seen in a long, long time.

Akaraxle · Jan 29, 2008, 02:51 PM // 14:51

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Originally Posted by Ensign

The last few times we've played against them with our usual builds they lost pretty badly. I presume they picked up hexes to throw us a curveball and try and steal a win. When I was playing on teams that had lost a few games in a row to them we did the same thing. Unfortunately for them, we were tipped off weeks ago that they had something special planned for us, and when we saw the Necro log on while friendslist camping we knew what was up and specced them hard. This was just the sort of gamesmanship that takes place all the time in competitive matches.

^
They called him "The Spymaster".

xx hells paladin xx · Jan 29, 2008, 04:07 PM // 16:07

Umm either i cant read or holymasamune dosnt know about good hexway builds and since hes in the #4 guild i think i go with what he said about them running a decent hexway

JR · Jan 29, 2008, 06:03 PM // 18:03

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Originally Posted by Son Of The Axe

Anyway, why would rawr promote such a crappy build? Shouldn't they be working on how to counter it rather then sink to that level and be bad role models to other guilds?

War Machine ran ranger spike in a tourney game. iQ have run ranger spike and triple smite in tourney games. QQ ran sin split. EvIL ran sin split. eF ran hexes and dervs. EW ran FoC spike...

Please stop your rant about what good guilds should and should not do when you clearly don't have a clue about competitive play. The guilds most famous for performance in tourneys have all resorted to 'frowned upon' builds, because you do whatever it takes to win within reasonable bounds. It was a good move by [rawr], and I think they would have had a decent shot without them getting sloppy with their pre-game.

Keithark · Jan 29, 2008, 06:29 PM // 18:29

They are suppose to set example for the rest of the guilds?? lol If I were them I'd be more worried about winning than what some low level bunch was going to think about my build. And since I am in the low level bunch I don't blame them a bit. We run balance to learn then when rank get real low we spike it back up and start over again. last attempt at ballance was 3/4 so we are getting better

Son Of The Axe · Jan 29, 2008, 09:01 PM // 21:01

Look, sure its a strategy to win, if thats what you're are going for. But you're not proving anything skill wise by playing it. It was just funny how they lost even while running that. Besides now that more and more guilds are starting to run this stuff its getting less fun and more retarded to watch. Unable to glean good tactics or whatnot from watching top guilds.

Tab · Jan 29, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06

rawr has already won two or three monthly tournaments running their version of balanced. I doubt they care about proving their skill to people.
Are you really suprised that rawr lost to 2 Hex Breakers, 2 Cure Hexes and a Spotless Mind while running hexway?

moko · Jan 29, 2008, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets

rawr has already won two or three monthly tournaments running their version of balanced. I doubt they care about proving their skill to people.
Are you really suprised that rawr lost to 2 Hex Breakers, 2 Cure Hexes and a Spotless Mind while running hexway?

and HEV. (=

moo

JR · Jan 29, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

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Originally Posted by Son Of The Axe

Look, sure its a strategy to win, if thats what you're are going for. But you're not proving anything skill wise by playing it. It was just funny how they lost even while running that. Besides now that more and more guilds are starting to run this stuff its getting less fun and more retarded to watch. Unable to glean good tactics or whatnot from watching top guilds.

Metagaming against your opponents is all part of good high level tournament play. One day you may get there and realize this.

Tab · Jan 29, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

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Originally Posted by Mokone

and HEV. (=

moo

Meh. I spent 30 seconds obsing that match then got bored

Lord Darksoul · Jan 29, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

Show pro-skills by running gimpways.

GJ JR.

Makkert · Jan 29, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by Son Of The Axe

strategy to win, if thats what you're are going for.

DING DING DING!
We have a winner! (pun intended)

bk359 · Jan 29, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

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Originally Posted by Son Of The Axe

Look, sure its a strategy to win, if thats what you're are going for. But you're not proving anything skill wise by playing it. It was just funny how they lost even while running that. Besides now that more and more guilds are starting to run this stuff its getting less fun and more retarded to watch. Unable to glean good tactics or whatnot from watching top guilds.

Maybe I am reading the post wrong...But I thought the point was to try to win. So when you become a top guild you should stop trying to win and instead worry about whether you can show your good on observor? As far as I am concerned if you are a top guild you have already proven your skill whether thats simply being better at running the same build everyone else runs or making the choice of using a build that generally is effective against the current meta.

Farin · Jan 29, 2008, 10:35 PM // 22:35

I stopped caring about other people's builds a long time ago. You people should too. It won't make them stop running it so what's the point? Beat them and deal with it.

Ensign · Jan 29, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

I didn't think the hex build they brought was all that bad. Sure I thought some of the decisions were poor, but they also had some ideas in there that I hadn't seen before that I thought were good. Hex builds haven't exactly settled into a regular set of templates with minimal variations yet, they're still all over the place.