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Motoko Kusanagi War · Mar 18, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

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Originally Posted by Morgoth the dark

So you're saying that beating rpsike is just a skill? Right, and 1 man can save the whole group...
I bet you would lost to Powers rspike in old days of HA.
Rspike is just one hell of broken build, but it's difficult to play it so it's not played that much in halls nowdays. If you say it's easy to beat it... than you havent meet a really good / coordinated rspike.
With or without r12.

I bet I beat powers with rspike and no one really cares anyway. If you think its hard to beat, then you are not one of the players which I like to call "skilled."

Morgoth the dark · Mar 18, 2008, 09:03 AM // 09:03

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Originally Posted by Motoko Kusanagi War

I bet I beat powers with rspike and no one really cares anyway. If you think its hard to beat, then you are not one of the players which I like to call "skilled."

i would like to see you playing against his team...
so called skilled player

and yes, rspike is hard to beat if the players playing it knows what to do.
If this puts me in a noob player group, fine with me.

Kyp Jade · Mar 18, 2008, 02:55 PM // 14:55

You need to pressure the spikers/midline. If you only attack the monks, then they are free to spike you down at thier leisure. You need to spread your damage around and make them kite more. Oh and the rit needs a lot of love. In short, you need to be unpredictable what your target is going to be. If you only hit the 3 monks, well, its easy to only watch for monks so your probably not going to kill much.

Oh, if your playing any of the meta builds your not going to do all that well against rangerspike anyway. Just fyi none of the current meta builds have much pressure at all.

Motoko Kusanagi War · Mar 18, 2008, 08:51 PM // 20:51

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Originally Posted by Kyp Jade

You need to pressure the spikers/midline. If you only attack the monks, then they are free to spike you down at thier leisure. You need to spread your damage around and make them kite more. Oh and the rit needs a lot of love. In short, you need to be unpredictable what your target is going to be. If you only hit the 3 monks, well, its easy to only watch for monks so your probably not going to kill much.

Oh, if your playing any of the meta builds your not going to do all that well against rangerspike anyway. Just fyi none of the current meta builds have much pressure at all.

So basically don't suck at guild wars? Nice advice!

Killed u man · Mar 18, 2008, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Motoko Kusanagi War

So basically don't suck at guild wars? Nice advice!

Teach me how NOT to get dshotted/savage shotted by rangers with 2 Sec Cast Time Fire spells and Diversion/Shame plz?

Face it, a GOOD rspike will shut YOUR mesmer down. (Dshot = take it up the ass for 30 seconds on diversion)

And gues what, savage > Fire Damage, on top of the fact they all have 100 Armor vs Elemental.

I would LOVE to see either of you beat a good rspike... Point out GOOD Rspike. Not the next best rspike you face...

Kyp Jade · Mar 18, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Dont use fire ele as your only pressure? 2 Warriors does wonders against todays meta where every single prot monk in the game is used to having tunnel vision against 1 warrior

Lorekeeper · Mar 18, 2008, 10:36 PM // 22:36

theres a bit more to pressuring than spamming diversion and shame and pooping fire nukes on bunched up players.

but i cant be bothered to type up an entire post explaining how to pressure in HA.

TheLordOfBlah · Mar 18, 2008, 11:12 PM // 23:12

2 copies cry of frustration gogo

Motoko Kusanagi War · Mar 18, 2008, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Teach me how NOT to get dshotted/savage shotted by rangers with 2 Sec Cast Time Fire spells and Diversion/Shame plz?

Face it, a GOOD rspike will shut YOUR mesmer down. (Dshot = take it up the ass for 30 seconds on diversion)

And gues what, savage > Fire Damage, on top of the fact they all have 100 Armor vs Elemental.

I would LOVE to see either of you beat a good rspike... Point out GOOD Rspike. Not the next best rspike you face...

Stop talking? Forgive me for not giving a damn about halls anymore. Sorry, this game is dead. Halls is the most dead pvp part of it too. I don't have a obligation of urgency to fulfill any sense of nostalgia by going back to prove something to a player that can't beat a good rspike. I can beat a good rspike, I know how, I've listed the ways to beat it. Stop complaining and please close this thread.

Pz

Titine · Mar 19, 2008, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

2 copies cry of frustration gogo

+10
cry of frustration ftw

kranius · Mar 19, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

to pwn a rspike : use walls, shut down rit, kill their lead...

Kyp Jade · Mar 19, 2008, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by TheLordOfBlah

2 copies cry of frustration gogo

Unreliable at best, helps some but never enough to matter

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Originally Posted by kranius

to pwn a rspike : use walls, shut down rit, kill their lead...

Do that, Oh and when your people dont listen and dont use walls, be sure to scream really loud in vent, doesnt help but makes you feel better.

Dark Chambers needs to be renamed rangerspike wins tho

Andrew Patrick · Mar 19, 2008, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by kranius

to pwn a rspike : use walls, shut down rit, kill their lead...

Agreed. Also, if you have been using walls a lot, Ranger Spikes can tend to get impatient and try to spike anything that is out in the open. Which means it can get pretty easy to prot up one person and just make sure that is the only viable target and keep it up through the spike. Once they fail on a few spikes you can push in with your pressure, take down a few of them (preferably their caller) and watch them crumble.

I hate running LoS spikes because they pretty much exclusively win based on the other team's mistakes rather than how well your team plays. It's quite effective against a team that doesn't know how to beat it, but if it ever got to the point of being one of the more common builds, I think people would be far too prepared/aware how to beat it for it to stay popular long. It can catch you off guard every 20 matches or so, but if every other match was against Rspike, I think strategies and builds would adjust to kill it pretty fast. Just my opinion though...and I am not dismissing the fact that people are using it, and winning with it, in halls right now.

Killed u man · Mar 19, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

"Hide Behind Walls"?

So you guys are going to "wait" them to death? IF you hide behind a wall, are you going to "diversion" them to death?

Hiding behind the walls is saying that IWAY wasn't broken due to the mere fact you could have 2 paragons with a constant fallback on everyone, and run... Ow wait, HOW do we beat them? NO clue, but atleast we won't die...

If everyone thinks like that, they should start adding a timer to HA matches...

"Hiding behind walls" means THEY (Rspike) decides when and how the game is played. They can still "TRY" and spike someone down, you just have to sit their behind your precious wall.... If you push in, you're not hiding anymore, and they spike you down. So they decide how long the game lasts...

Hiding doesn't work well on:
-> Fetid
-> Forgotten Shrines
-> Dark Chambers
-> Courtyard
-> Antechamber
-> HoH (There is NO walls at all on reasonable spots)
(Pssst, I think I just named more than half the maps)

And once again, if "Hiding behind walls" is the key to "beating" rspike (You won't beat em hiding, once again) then that ISN'T concidered overpowered?
Wow, then I wonder why GW is so imbalanced atm o.0

Last but not least, I would like Lorekeeper and Moto lay out their "plan" to beating rspike here. Atleast post a link to a thread doing so.

I'm really eager to know how U take down a team with:
-> 4 Hard Targets, (Often the 3 Rangers have Lightening Reflexes)
-> Vital
-> Defensive Snares
-> 3 Savage Shots
-> 1 Dshot (Let's assume they have no clue how imba it is)
-> 2 HB
-> 1 Prot
-> FallBack (Do NOT underestimate the kiting power of this skill)

"Shutting down the rit will get you the win": Yeah, because they obviously don't have 3 monks healing, which WON'T be shutdown at all (Because he's baby-sitting the rit)... Ow wait, sh!t!

"Know how to pressure": I hurd swinging your axe at people was hard... I'm not saying Shock/Axe (Or hammer) is easy, but honestly, he only has 4 targets to choose from. All the other ones have block stances and 90 AL...
Fire ele? Once again, IF your fire ele et's his shit off, you didn't face a good rspike... Mesmer? If he gets his diversion off, you didn't face a good rspike...

Any other lol-arguements comming?

wuzzman · Mar 19, 2008, 09:17 PM // 21:17

stop failing at the game, stop running eurospike expecting to beat rspike....(an your an idiot if you lost to iway period). So basically Killed u man expects to win games by; training monks, attempting to spike through spiritbond, only having a spike, randomly spamming diversion with pd mesmer, and oh yeah here is the real kicker STANDING PERFECTLY STILL. woot. I found the skill in HA players, and I see there is none.

Phe Belladona · Mar 19, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

"Hide Behind Walls"?

So you guys are going to "wait" them to death? IF you hide behind a wall, are you going to "diversion" them to death?

Hiding behind the walls is saying that IWAY wasn't broken due to the mere fact you could have 2 paragons with a constant fallback on everyone, and run... Ow wait, HOW do we beat them? NO clue, but atleast we won't die...

If everyone thinks like that, they should start adding a timer to HA matches...

"Hiding behind walls" means THEY (Rspike) decides when and how the game is played. They can still "TRY" and spike someone down, you just have to sit their behind your precious wall.... If you push in, you're not hiding anymore, and they spike you down. So they decide how long the game lasts...

Hiding doesn't work well on:
-> Fetid
-> Forgotten Shrines
-> Dark Chambers
-> Courtyard
-> Antechamber
-> HoH (There is NO walls at all on reasonable spots)
(Pssst, I think I just named more than half the maps)

And once again, if "Hiding behind walls" is the key to "beating" rspike (You won't beat em hiding, once again) then that ISN'T concidered overpowered?
Wow, then I wonder why GW is so imbalanced atm o.0

Last but not least, I would like Lorekeeper and Moto lay out their "plan" to beating rspike here. Atleast post a link to a thread doing so.

I'm really eager to know how U take down a team with:
-> 4 Hard Targets, (Often the 3 Rangers have Lightening Reflexes)
-> Vital
-> Defensive Snares
-> 3 Savage Shots
-> 1 Dshot (Let's assume they have no clue how imba it is)
-> 2 HB
-> 1 Prot
-> FallBack (Do NOT underestimate the kiting power of this skill)

"Shutting down the rit will get you the win": Yeah, because they obviously don't have 3 monks healing, which WON'T be shutdown at all (Because he's baby-sitting the rit)... Ow wait, sh!t!

"Know how to pressure": I hurd swinging your axe at people was hard... I'm not saying Shock/Axe (Or hammer) is easy, but honestly, he only has 4 targets to choose from. All the other ones have block stances and 90 AL...
Fire ele? Once again, IF your fire ele et's his shit off, you didn't face a good rspike... Mesmer? If he gets his diversion off, you didn't face a good rspike...

Any other lol-arguements comming?

this legendary 'good' rspike that interupts everything doesnt exist.. you're telling ppl this build is theoretically unbeatable BUT rspike gets beaten every day and doesnt hold halls except at dead hours when anything can hold. i agree the build is very powerful but you're going over the top.

Boogz · Mar 19, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

Like Andrew said, i think we should wait more and see, HA had tons of flavor of the month, like Shockwave ball, this is the "new" flavor of the month imo, but it's starting to be problematic, even if you can hide behind walls.
Maybe revert the nerf on "Shields Up!" would counter Rspike for sure imo.

Killed u man · Mar 19, 2008, 09:19 PM // 21:19

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Originally Posted by wuzzman

stop failing at the game, stop running eurospike expecting to beat rspike....(an your an idiot to losing to iway period)

Stop posting on the forums. No-one knows you, no-one cares about you and no-one gives a sh!t about your opinion...

Anyways, still waiting for the "how-to" on beating Rspike...

(I just got hit with a 104 Dmg Forked arrow on a shield set, you do the math when they have 9 Arrows)

wuzzman · Mar 19, 2008, 09:26 PM // 21:26

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Stop posting on the forums. No-one knows you, no-one cares about you and no-one gives a sh!t about your opinion...

Anyways, still waiting for the "how-to" on beating Rspike...

(I just got hit with a 104 Dmg Forked arrow on a shield set, you do the math when they have 9 Arrows)

apparently not many people care about you either. I guess having the smallest epeen(while constantly saying it's the biggest) is as close as it gets to being popular over the internet.

Elri · Mar 19, 2008, 09:52 PM // 21:52

*gets another bag of popcorn*