Curse

Hundbert · Mar 22, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Good summary snaek. I liked that you compared it to diversion i had that in mind aswell.

But you forget one thing. A good ranger in ta will interrupt diversion easily. So you are never going to be able to spam it and keep up the same efficiecy.
Wod however... With a 1/4 sec cast at worst you're gonna have problems stopping that.

Also Woh under Wod will not heal for 50 it will heal for 5. Yes 5. The same as attacking once with a vampiric hammer.

I would have no problems with the skill if it would have a 1 sec casting time OR 10 energy cost OR 15 sec recharge or so but now it's much too powerful imo. I'm only talking about ta mind you . In an 8vs8 environment i guess it's probably quite balanced.

Also moko: What kind of dom mesmer are you talking about that everyone should be running? Do you mean this signet of midnight/plague sending mesmer?

N1ghtstalker · Mar 22, 2008, 09:42 PM // 21:42

[skill]diversion[/skill] can do wonders sometimes
it's not really that spammable
and you gotta sacrifice health blablabla
it's fine

C2K · Mar 22, 2008, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by moko

you guys need to accept that rangers have died out and dom mesmers SHOULD take over their place in this meta for now.

until then, have fun losing, but don't cry about it really, it's such a simple counter to all.

edit; and even without a dom on your side, i never seem to have such heavy problems. very strong 4v4 template for sure, but it doesn't actually prevent your team from dying that much, so it's easy to just stump in the ground, unlike other templates.

I agree with your points, but you know how stubborn people are with their "balanced" template.

There can be only one balanced build and it demands a ranger!!

Teh Jace · Mar 23, 2008, 12:17 AM // 00:17

In the current meta its gut to have hex breaker on monk (against WoD spammers) and foul feast on necro (vs Me/N gays). Thats all I can say...

And dont run dom mesmer if u wanna win unless u are gay Me/N ofc. U will get insta raped vs good team (I cant see moko in TA anymore so I rly wonder why she advices ppl to bring this... maybe nub farming during american hours). Even PD mesmers fail.

Well if u are monk its rly hard to decide what to run on the 8th skill slot. Shield bash helps vs dual monks with shattering sins but without hexbreaker its almost impossible to beat WoD spammers (no veil wont help u... it will be rended most of the time and u cant keep veil on ranger, warr while being under debilitation shot spammage even with pro set switching). Also if u run hex breaker hammer warrior will eat u alive so u might need a lot of linebacking from ur frontliner since spotless mind is not fixed yet (lol anet, gg).

Seraphim of Chaos · Mar 23, 2008, 03:34 AM // 03:34

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

In the current meta its gut to have hex breaker on monk (against WoD spammers) and foul feast on necro (vs Me/N gays). Thats all I can say...

And dont run dom mesmer if u wanna win unless u are gay Me/N ofc. U will get insta raped vs good team (I cant see moko in TA anymore so I rly wonder why she advices ppl to bring this... maybe nub farming during american hours). Even PD mesmers fail.

Well if u are monk its rly hard to decide what to run on the 8th skill slot. Shield bash helps vs dual monks with shattering sins but without hexbreaker its almost impossible to beat WoD spammers (no veil wont help u... it will be rended most of the time and u cant keep veil on ranger, warr while being under debilitation shot spammage even with pro set switching). Also if u run hex breaker hammer warrior will eat u alive so u might need a lot of linebacking from ur frontliner since spotless mind is not fixed yet (lol anet, gg).

I have to agree, the TA meta is currently transitioning and as a result the optionals for monk will make you uber win against one build and uber lose to another. Blargh, its tricky.

yum · Mar 23, 2008, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Seraphim of Chaos

I have to agree, the TA meta is currently transitioning and as a result the optionals for monk will make you uber win against one build and uber lose to another. Blargh, its tricky.

It's not tricky, its shitty. TA is hardly fun anymore. When I lose, I want to lose because the other team is better not because they bring X and I dont bring Y.

@Jace: spotless is gay, but if it's reworked, hex builds will emerge (gee, we ran dual nec the other day, and teams like WM failed to beat us even with spotless). But well, what can we do? The game is not around TA :/

the_deSKtructor · Mar 23, 2008, 07:27 AM // 07:27

i'd like to add some conditionality to WoD, just to make the spam less effective (it's a real pain if the opponent get's lucky with halved recharges). For example:
WoD: Interrupt target's foe action. If target foe was attacking or casting a spell, then he is hexed with Wail of Doom for x seconds and all his attributes are reduced to 0. (Duration, recharge and cast time like they are now). It should now promote a more smart play of it and it would be useful both for stopping opposing meeles and shutdown casters.

At yum, most of the actual WM players are bad. Only a few of them are good.

yum · Mar 23, 2008, 08:47 AM // 08:47

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Originally Posted by the_deSKtructor

At yum, most of the actual WM players are bad. Only a few of them are good.

Meh, when Identity is on his warrior, I wouldn't call him bad(if he monks, maybe

).

If you time WoD correctly when the monk really has to used WoH or such, it's over. That is, the skill still requires certaint skill as it is now. For me, it is okay comparing to other gay shits out there. Fix HC and the Me/n first before touching WoD.

A bit off topic, but hexes are very strong in 4v4 format. I'm not talking about a bad hex team vs a good balance team. If spotless is to be torn down, so are hexes.

urania · Mar 23, 2008, 09:34 AM // 09:34

In case u do not know who/what identity is...the player was and still is pretty hated in korean community (well, what's left of it..) for farming ra only till glad point change - ie. till his r9 or so, he only synched in ra korean districts, so yeah, idk how can a player like that be called good or anything close to that.
only thing he can do as warr is lineback as cripslash with disarm =o) and as monk, 2 stances are always a must.
U just use wod when ur team spikes or when the degen starts kicking in...i must say from my own exp that having wod on u 70% of the time tends to win games. simply cuz the ranger cant do shit about it and preveiling wont help cuz u need to have ur melee preveiled anyway and cuz the hex lasts too little time and has too low recharge. :P

Teh Jace · Mar 23, 2008, 11:06 AM // 11:06

The problem is monk is the only healer in our team. Thats why WoD hurts us so much. In 8vs8 its far from being overpowered.

I think its time to play korean way aka loads of stances and self healing on every character. WoD spammers can kiss our ass.

Regarding spotless mind... I know TA is not currently in the devs interrest but this skill is bugged. I guess ppl would have been still farmed by N/A crap by now if it hadn't appeared in HA obs. Anets needs to fix this.

yum · Mar 23, 2008, 03:55 PM // 15:55

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Originally Posted by urania

In case u do not know who/what identity is...the player was and still is pretty hated in korean community (well, what's left of it..) for farming ra only till glad point change - ie. till his r9 or so, he only synched in ra korean districts, so yeah, idk how can a player like that be called good or anything close to that.
only thing he can do as warr is lineback as cripslash with disarm =o) and as monk, 2 stances are always a must.

Who cares what glad he is or how he attains it. He's a damm good cripslash in TA. As for monk, no comment.

Again, WoD is gay, but its needed to alleviate gayer shits. Same for spotless. If defense gets nerfed, so must offense.

Seraphim of Chaos · Mar 23, 2008, 03:57 PM // 15:57

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Originally Posted by yum

It's not tricky, its shitty. TA is hardly fun anymore. When I lose, I want to lose because the other team is better not because they bring X and I dont bring Y.

@Jace: spotless is gay, but if it's reworked, hex builds will emerge (gee, we ran dual nec the other day, and teams like WM failed to beat us even with spotless). But well, what can we do? The game is not around TA :/

Actually, yesterday I faced a RI/SB team with 2 necs and 2 mes. All hex damage through Soul Barbs. I literally had 3 lines of hexes on me everytime they spiked.

It was crazy. Yet, we didn't build to beat and that is probably why we lost.

Teh Jace · Mar 23, 2008, 04:30 PM // 16:30

lol u dont understand... spotless is bugged. If u fix a skill u dont need to nerf any of them. And dont tell me removing up to 4 hexes for 5e (2e with HC) is not imba.

BTW hex breaker doesnt help

We lost to indentity twice today - defile to remove hb and then WoD. Or maybe he has some hax for 40/40 set.

Seraphim of Chaos · Mar 23, 2008, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by Teh Jace

lol u dont understand... spotless is bugged. If u fix a skill u dont need to nerf any of them. And dont tell me removing up to 4 hexes for 5e (2e with HC) is not imba.

BTW hex breaker doesnt help

We lost to indentity twice today - defile to remove hb and then WoD. Or maybe he has some hax for 40/40 set.

Are you referring to me? If so, I was just pointing out that there is an emergence of hex builds.

urania · Mar 23, 2008, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Purge ftw?

;p

but yeah, hex breaker vs necs is laughable.

yum · Mar 23, 2008, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by urania

Purge ftw?

Not with 1R 2N. Dshot purge FTL

valence · Mar 23, 2008, 05:59 PM // 17:59

why does the me/n needs a nerf? hc carries that build, without hc meta that build is quite nice to play against.

yum · Mar 23, 2008, 06:18 PM // 18:18

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Originally Posted by valence

why does the me/n needs a nerf? hc carries that build, without hc meta that build is quite nice to play against.

You're kidding? That me/n can do better than 2 blindsurge eles combined, can easily by pass rangers then sneak a humi or w/e w/o being interupted ect... and is freaking powerful in hand of a smart mes and a hammer warrior.

Teh Jace · Mar 23, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

Me/N gets owned by FF necro hard. But lol I rly dunno whats gay and what not now... everything is so imba now... we have necros and monks with 1/4skills and unlimited energy. We can WoD monks to death.

Try to play WoD nec with FF and plague sending... its clickfest.

Barkeep · Mar 24, 2008, 04:40 PM // 16:40

And we are back talking about the state of TA.

I haven't been playing TA that much the last days, because my TA mates are quite inactive at the moment. And it's not pretty to pug with random people in TA because there are so many teams who run (overpowered) gimmicks.

People tend to start out fairly balanced, then after 1 or 2 losses to gimmicks they get annoyed and decide to run a gimmick themselves. That is the point where I usually leave the team. I cannot blame them really. It's easier, faster and you get more glad points with it.

*sigh*

A minor detail id like to point out to all the people who are comparing diversion to WoD. Wail of Doom itself may be less effective as monk shutdown than diversion or blackout. But what makes it so effective is that you can combine it with a fully defensive necro, who doesnt even need to spread his attributes because of it. So you got a normal anti-melee necro, but with very strong monk shutdown as well. However, if you choose to take a domi, you are very limited in your options of anti-melee. Empathy is pretty much your only option. I reckon WoD would be much less of a problem if it was a blood magic skill.