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Nightwish · Aug 03, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Whether its RA or TA, people still play the game for the title. Regardless of the time or skill involved, you cannot deny that efforts are being put in for it.

Please stop this discrimination over "how" this title is earned, with exceptions of bot usage, if there is any.

Its funny that when people spent countless hours to get something, they are called farmers and when they use shortcuts, they looked down upon for abusing a glitch or overpowered build.

sno · Aug 03, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by Nightwish

Whether its RA or TA, people still play the game for the title. Regardless of the time or skill involved, you cannot deny that efforts are being put in for it.

The idea behind the Gladiator title is to show your skill in the Arenas. Farming points in Zaishen reflects in no way skill, nor do points gained in RA. Those of us who enjoy TA feel the title meant for us is being cheapened by these "shortcuts," why shouldn't we discriminate?

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I dont need a title which i will just flash in front of few people in TA which i know.

I wouldn't use the title to 'flash at people', if you want that, get yourself a wolf. It's simply a reassurance to people that vaguely remember you to know that alas, it is the one who just sent your team back to TAd1.

yesitsrob · Aug 03, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

To be honest, I find getting the title to be significantly easier in TA than in RA - even with decept players actually playing TA now be honest, how often do you struggle to get 10 wins? Rarely, to be honest... there's nights where you can play where you can grab about 50 with ease.

In random arenas - you can monk the title right... sure, but when monking, you need a team that is capable of killing things - So so frequently in randoms as a monk I'll come across a team who wouldn't be able to kill me if I went afk for 20 minutes. And chances are - I'll come across monks on other teams who simply won't die to the dolyak signet scrub on my team. Or there's the scenario where you get a mesmer who tanks eviscerating warriors who costs you just about all the energy you have to keep up.

It's absolutely vastly easier to get the titles in TA than in RA in my opinion. Incredibly faster and easier

Rathcail · Aug 03, 2006, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by sno

Those of us who enjoy TA feel the title meant for us is being cheapened by these "shortcuts," why shouldn't we discriminate?

As a RA fan, I've always thought that Gladiator title would be more impressive if you could only get the points in RA.

Sparrow · Aug 03, 2006, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by sno

As for the glad points not meaning anything, it's all in how you got them. If you got points in RA or from Zaishen, no one will know your name, and thus a lot of people may think you farmed your points. If you got your points stomping teams over and over in TA, people will remember it, and will eventually know you. Almost all of the higher ranked glads I've seen in town I recognize from playing against in TA, just as most players who TA often recognize [Eat] when they're against it. No one has ever accused me or anyone in my guild (that I know of) of farming our points, because they see us day after day blowing through teams in a guild group.

It's the title combined with memory. Most TA people play with pugs, so maintaining a reputation isn't easy (cough*Lobo*cough,) but once it's there, the title does demand respect. I get a little smile every time someone sees our tag from accross the map and says "oh no" in pub chat.

Hence it is not the title that is important, it is the beatings you give/receive... if you don't know them by name, the title means nothing... hence... the title means nothing.

Essentially I stand by my previous comments. The titles are fun for guildies to show off to each other, little more. No one else is really going to care. Very few people are going to do enough TA to get a rep, and even then it would only be among other die-hard TA fans. And in that case they wouldn't need a title anyway.

Divineshadows · Aug 03, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by sno

The idea behind the Gladiator title is to show your skill in the Arenas. Farming points in Zaishen reflects in no way skill

QFT.

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Originally Posted by sno

nor do points gained in RA. Those of us who enjoy TA feel the title meant for us is being cheapened by these "shortcuts," why shouldn't we discriminate?

I disagree. A different set of skills are necessary for success in RA, and under normal circumstances for skilled players RA is anything but a "shortcut" to getting a gladiator point. While the competition is less, so are the skillbars and skill levels of your teammates. Having obtained somewhere between 25 and 40 of my ~250 gladiator points in RA, I certainly would not discount these as they took longer on average to obtain and taught me valueable pieces of information about PvP gameplay especially when it comes to playing without a monk (which is very useful in GvG situations where your team calls for a split and you have no monk on your split).

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

To be honest, I find getting the title to be significantly easier in TA than in RA - even with decept players actually playing TA now be honest, how often do you struggle to get 10 wins? Rarely, to be honest... there's nights where you can play where you can grab about 50 with ease.

The rate difference for a given player depends upon two things -- their own skill level and their friends list that they can call upon for TA. For some players, they have no friends list so RA is really their only option unless they PUG in TA which given the higher level of competition will ultimately lead to a slower rate.

For skilled players who have skilled friends or guildmates to call upon, then most certainly TA is the faster route toward gladiator points.

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

In random arenas - you can monk the title right... sure, but when monking, you need a team that is capable of killing things - So so frequently in randoms as a monk I'll come across a team who wouldn't be able to kill me if I went afk for 20 minutes. And chances are - I'll come across monks on other teams who simply won't die to the dolyak signet scrub on my team. Or there's the scenario where you get a mesmer who tanks eviscerating warriors who costs you just about all the energy you have to keep up.

Nice summary of how monking feels in RA. I've shared all of these experiences. Monking and actually seeing some of the skills your teammates brought into arenas to *try* to do damage or cause some shutdown effect makes me wonder just how many people out there has some functional disconnect within their brain.

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As a RA fan, I've always thought that Gladiator title would be more impressive if you could only get the points in RA.

No, this would dissolve the title to be equivalent to the Lucky title which you get eventually with enough time spent. In addition, I think this would increase the number of leavers in RA who continuously search for more optimally balanced teams (which is already a big problem as it is). If you were suggesting instead two separate title tracks....one for RA and one for TA, then that kind of makes sense.

granor · Aug 03, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

Monking and actually seeing some of the skills your teammates brought into arenas to *try* to do damage or cause some shutdown effect makes me wonder just how many people out there has some functional disconnect within their brain.

Functional Disconnect within their brain? That is a little harsh. But after monking 15 glad points in RA I will admit I am surprised how many people do not understand the basic game mechanics behind GW and how many people do not understand the differences between GW and other popular RPGs (pen and paper and video)

This truelly makes me wonder. If we are a sub group of society that spends much of it's time playing games why is it that we have such a large part of our population who does not understand game mechanics?

Foe · Aug 03, 2006, 10:05 PM // 22:05

i enjoy both TA and RA. RA is more of a convience thing but i would say its alot tougher getting 10 wins in RA...it takes less skill mind you(if that makes sense). Theres just more variables in RA and lot less focus on team build obviously. Might have been in this thread "add the # of useless builds on each team and the lower # wins " true'r words have never spoken. TA u can still shred from time to time just by having a 4ppl who know there assignments and what to expect there. Granted youll see a team go through every now and then that is obviously a tier higher than the rest. I'm but few points from Glad 1 and idc what ppl say ill rep it, ppl still love emotes despite the obvious problem there. Its 2 be expected w/ any thing be it title ,emote ,armour w/e if the majority of players dont have it they bash it. Id be surprised if many ppl were farming Zaishen points any way

Van Goghs Ear · Aug 03, 2006, 10:13 PM // 22:13

ALL of the titles mean nothing at the end of the day. Don't do it for respect from other players or any of that crap. As far as I know I'm one of the only 2 terrifying gladiators in the arenas, and I can safely say that the other person with the title is an awful player having played against him. Likewise I've played with terrible rank 10 HA players. The ONLY way to see someone's level of ability is to take them into the arenas and see for yourself, and once you are fairly confident in their abilities see how they do in GVG.

I display my Glad's title because I don't care about my HA title (and I can /rank it anyways...), and I had a lot more fun earning my glads than I did getting dragged into HA by my former guild to get that. For me it displays my committment to running quality builds with quality players and having a good time doing it. I don't expect anyone to think I'm a good arena player because of it, you have to play with me to find that out (or against me). And I do not use it as an attempt to create gladiator ++ groups like I've seen some do.

Anyways, I'll probably stop displaying it when I get my Champion title.

Wasteland Squidget · Aug 03, 2006, 10:18 PM // 22:18

On the TA/RA thing...

If you're a skilled player and have a decent guild or friends list, it's easier and faster to get points in TA than RA.

If you're a less skilled player or are stuck with PuGs, it's much easier to get 10 wins in RA than TA.

Jestah · Aug 03, 2006, 10:39 PM // 22:39

My guild have been doing a LOT of TA recently. We have about 5 people with rank 5 gladiator (280 points). What I hate most about this is now people are accusing people with the title of zaishen farming. The same jerks that accuse anyone with FoW or r9+ of ebaying.

Doesn't bother me that much I guess considering any title earnable in RA is cheapened in the first place. Makes me wonder though how many people actually realised this exploit was possible and are walking around with a tainted title.

Rathcail · Aug 04, 2006, 01:00 AM // 01:00

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

If you were suggesting instead two separate title tracks....one for RA and one for TA, then that kind of makes sense.

Yup, that's what I'd like to see. TA'ers should have their own to show off and not use "my title" for it. But it's very unlikely for Anet to change the Glad title anymore, sadly.

kvndoom · Aug 04, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

I wish there had been two title tracks, "Random Gladiator" and "Team Gladiator", and your points would be distributed depending on where you "got your 10." Unfortunately, it's too late to do that without resetting everyone's current achievements, and I certainly don't want that to happen.

Out of all my points, there is only one that I'm not proud of, and that's #100. I was stuck at 99 during the NFPE fiasco weekend, and I finally decided that if you can't beat 'em, join 'em. But I at least did name my character appropriately...

Clinically Proven · Aug 04, 2006, 02:57 AM // 02:57

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Originally Posted by art_

....despite the horrible players, moronic builds and unnecessary trash talking.

That's one of two reasons that I actually go to RA.

Some of the builds people turn up with are absolutely terrible and it never fails to give me a laugh.

The other reason for a bit of RA would be testing an individual build.

D E L E T E D · Aug 04, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by Jestah

We have about 5 people with rank 5 gladiator (280 points)

who are you and what guild are you in?

Legendary Shiz · Aug 04, 2006, 07:58 PM // 19:58

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Originally Posted by sno

The idea behind the Gladiator title is to show your skill in the Arenas. Farming points in Zaishen reflects in no way skill, nor do points gained in RA. Those of us who enjoy TA feel the title meant for us is being cheapened by these "shortcuts," why shouldn't we discriminate?

I wouldn't use the title to 'flash at people', if you want that, get yourself a wolf. It's simply a reassurance to people that vaguely remember you to know that alas, it is the one who just sent your team back to TAd1.

I agree, to a point. I honesty wouldn't be ashamed to have glad title from RA. Though, I personally think it's much easier to get glad point with a TA group than an RA group. If you can find a decent team for TA, glad points flow in. In RA, unless you are the boon prot it's not quite as easy because of all the clueless players.

Hanego Ategeh · Aug 04, 2006, 09:34 PM // 21:34

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Originally Posted by Divineshadows

No, this would dissolve the title to be equivalent to the Lucky title which you get eventually with enough time spent. In addition, I think this would increase the number of leavers in RA who continuously search for more optimally balanced teams (which is already a big problem as it is). If you were suggesting instead two separate title tracks....one for RA and one for TA, then that kind of makes sense.

I for one have been completely uninterested in organized PvP, preferring instead to see what the random assignment looks like. I rarely if ever leave groups even if one or more members leaves because there's no monk, because I enjoy the challenge. I'm just shy of Fierce Gladiator, which is the point at which I will stop paying any attention to points.

I have a bunch of reasons that I like to do it this way.

I agree that there should ideally be two title tracks. I'm probably going to accidentally start a flame war, but I'd argue that the RA one should remain Gladiator, because the setup of the system of RA more accurately reflects the word's history and historical usage. The TA one can be Pit Fighter or whatever, or perhaps ANet could do a little more research into the history of this type of exhibition fighting and come up with two entirely new titles that reflect the nature of the combat done to win them more exactly.

It's probably too late for that in any case. Maybe someone could start a petition or something to see.

Burakus Lightwing · Aug 04, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

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Originally Posted by yesitsrob

It's absolutely vastly easier to get the titles in TA than in RA in my opinion. Incredibly faster and easier

I agree with you.

Elric The Vagabond · Aug 05, 2006, 03:12 AM // 03:12

I think the road to getting glad points is harder than hero...atleast with fame you can IWAY with pugs and even if you just win 1 game, u still get a fame

(Offtopic)
Btw, I'm a frequent TA/RA player but I usually with pugs, which is sad..most of my guildies are either HA or PVE,so if theres some groups(or guild) out there who can accomodate another player in their runs pls feel free to pm me ingame. I absolutely dont suck as a player but I must say I meet a lot of better players.

My favored class is mesmer, albeit I play most classes relatively well. Monking skills r average though lol

Jestah · Aug 06, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by D E L E T E D

who are you and what guild are you in?

Well I *was* in DTS when I posted that but that guild has died and reformed since. It's a Euro guild so probably won't have seen you if you're on US servers.