Curse

Zabe · Jul 07, 2008, 07:38 PM // 19:38

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Originally Posted by Whammo

Using a crippling recurve is a good way of losing your cripshot/pin down to d-shot/d-chop/cry etc.
Any non retard will try and interupt your snares on key moments, so use a shortbow.

Or then you just fake out the dshot. Or it has been fix'd already?

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 07, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whammo

Using a crippling recurve is a good way of losing your cripshot/pin down to d-shot/d-chop/cry etc.
Any non retard will try and interupt your snares on key moments, so use a shortbow.

I have never had my cripshot interupted before, I dont know if I just figt nubs, which I probably do...But I still think its hard myself to interupt bow attacks UNLESS you are using random interupts, which then its just lucky to interupt a shot.

since bow attack skills (interupts) all take 1/2 a second to "cast" then really, its impossible to interupt from "quick reflex," again it would have to be lucky, or a mesmer skill that waits for you next attack.

bas koopman · Jul 07, 2008, 09:48 PM // 21:48

bow attack skills have about 1,5 sec activation time. Really easy to interupt

moriz · Jul 07, 2008, 10:02 PM // 22:02

bow interrupts actually fire in 1/4 seconds, so it's very possible to interrupt bow attacks.

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 07, 2008, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Right, BUT, if you fire an attack, and AFTER that someone fires an attack,How can they interupt you? Unless it was one of two things...

1: Luck
2: Already set up interupt, (traps, or aome mesmer skills)

moriz · Jul 07, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

a bow attack fired with a recurve bow will have a 1.2 second window for interrupts, since the arrow flies half way through the entire animation (which is 2.4 seconds). for a skilled ranger, that's ample time to fire an interrupt with reflex.

remember, top rangers can consistently interrupt .75 sec cast spells on reflex. 1.2 seconds is no problem at all.

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 07, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Ok now Moriz, lol...When I shot a "BOW ATTACK" that has an ACTIVATION TIME OF 1/4 second, The time it takes to activate (go through motion) is 1/4 a second...when the arrow is in te air, it cant be interupted...

Ok, so lets say i shoot an interupt with my recurve bow - It will take me 1/4 second to get the arrow INTO the air...once in the air, IT CANT BE INTERUPTED.
Now,With a Shortbow, I can shot an interupting arrow - The time it takes me to get the arrow in the air is 1/4 seonds.
Which MEANS - If i shoot my shot with a 1/4 activation time, and a shortbow user shoots AFTER me, I will STILL get my shot off...

BTW im not talking about a normal shot, who cares about interupting a NORMAL shot, im talking about interupting a "BOW ATTACK" NOW...

Make sense?

PS, this forum is becoming something it didnt start out to be a LITTLE bit. lol

Yue · Jul 07, 2008, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Bow attack speeds are dependent on the type of bow you're wielding. A regular bow attack used on a recurve bow (ie: cripshot) will take >1s to fire, which is pretty easy to interrupt. Ranger interrupts are actually 1/4s activation, contrary to the skill description of 1/2. Interrupting a recurve cripshot with a dshot/savage is essentially like interrupting heal breeze. Using a shortbow will give you a faster activation for cripshot, but the loss of accuracy usually isn't worth it unless you're sitting right next to the guy.

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Using a crippling recurve is a good way of losing your cripshot/pin down to d-shot/d-chop/cry etc.
Any non retard will try and interupt your snares on key moments, so use a shortbow.

If someone's really trying to interrupt your cripshot at a certain moment, using a shortbow isn't going to help all that much, especially when those moments usually require accuracy. Skill cancelling is the better way to do it. And yes, it still works.

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 07, 2008, 10:41 PM // 22:41

For ONE: I saw Yue looking at this forum at the bottom of the screen and I knew he was going to post.

And TWO: What Yue said! I really dont know MUCH about bows attacks and such...

And another point to be made, if you interupt Cripshot, I can shoot it again in 2 secs...(Unless dist shot)

moriz · Jul 08, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

last time i checked, crippling shot is a "bow attack".

what you are talking about is other people trying to bow interrupt your bow interrupt, which is basically impossible to do on reflex. you can still do it with some accuracy however, if you fake out that interrupt. that is, you try to draw out your opponent's interrupt (by casting troll/apply and canceling), and time your dshot to hit his as he activate.

be more specific next time.

tava · Jul 08, 2008, 09:00 AM // 09:00

what a stupid idea to try to interrupt other's interrupts rofl

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 08, 2008, 01:15 PM // 13:15

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Originally Posted by moriz

last time i checked, crippling shot is a "bow attack".

be more specific next time.

Yeah, sorry bout that...I havent played my ranger in a bit. I thought Cripshot was a 1/4 as well,

either way, if you dont rupt it with dshot, then its pointless to interupt...

Question though, say I target someone and they use a "bow attack" like crishot. can i see their skil warmup? beause i'm not sure if cripshot actually has a skill warmup, its just your "next attack", like sloth hunter arrow.

moriz · Jul 08, 2008, 01:29 PM // 13:29

all attack skills have skill warmups. the same applies to cripshot.

also, all attack skills usually begin casting instantly, and do not wait for the next attack. the only time it waits for next attack is when you try to activate it during the cooldown period of your weapon's attack animation, in which case it will wait for the cooldown to complete and then activate.

the exceptions to that rule are attack skills with actual printed activation times, like bow interrupts. those will fire as soon as your current attack goes through, so you can compress two hits into the space of one (sloth hunters-->savage, eviscerate-->protector's strike, etc).

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 08, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

Right, you said earlier that Cripshot has a 1.2 scond window to interupt (with a recurve)... does the "skill warmup bar" actually change speed according to your bow?

^^I know how newb tat sounds, so dont flame me. haha

Krill · Jul 08, 2008, 01:45 PM // 13:45

If another ranger wants to d-shot one of your spammy normal speed bow attacks, e.g. BA and cripshot, they are gona get it if they watch you long enough no matter what type of bow you are using. An axe warrior on your ass with a d-chop is another story but I have caught plenty of d-chops and bull's strikes with d-shot just spamming when they are in range for the first hit so it works both ways depending on who's spamming who (does this make sense?).

And you have got to be kidding about interrupting an interrupt, there's no way to predict when they are going to use theirs so you're just spamming totally randomly if that's the goal.

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 08, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

If another range wants to d-shot one of your spammy normal speed bow attacks, e.g. BA and cripshot, they are gona get it if they watch you long enough no matter what type of bow you are using. An axe warrior on your ass with a d-chop is another story but I have caught plenty of d-chops and bull's strikes with d-shot just spamming when they are in range for the first hit so it works both ways depending on who's spamming who (does this make sense?).

And you have got to be kidding about interrupting an interrupt, there's no way to predict when they are going to use theirs so you're just spamming totally randomly if that's the goal.

The first part does make sense for the most part. lol

And about how pointless it is to rupt a rupt, thats what I was saying. >.< lol

moriz · Jul 08, 2008, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by KoleAurow 23

Right, you said earlier that Cripshot has a 1.2 scond window to interupt (with a recurve)... does the "skill warmup bar" actually change speed according to your bow?

^^I know how newb tat sounds, so dont flame me. haha

that is correct. normal attack skills are dependent on your attack speed.

obviously, attack skills with a set casting time won't.

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And you have got to be kidding about interrupting an interrupt, there's no way to predict when they are going to use theirs so you're just spamming totally randomly if that's the goal.

if you can fake out their interrupt and then timing your interrupt in response, you'll have a much higher chance in succeeding. at least, your chances will be significantly higher than just spamming randomly.

this tactic is generally not all that useful, but can easily turn the tide of a skirmish (and consequently the game). a ranger without dshot is nothing more than a glorified flagrunner, and ceases being a threat to anything.

tava · Jul 08, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by arienrhode

there's no way to predict when they are going to use theirs

I won 1 old hoh by dshotting another choker's savage on timer ! but ye thats stupid ~~
As for regular attack skills, u might get interrupt no matter what bow u r using unless the other guy has either hamster connection or wooden pc.
The best way is just to fake it once or twice, depending on ur energy and what interrupts he has recharged.
And again.. dont use shortbows in PvP. Its wasted weapon set.

KoleAurow 23 · Jul 08, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Right, thats what this thread started to be, I used to use shortbows, but thanks to this I use a recurve in PvP, and now I dont miss as much, lmao

Burton2000 · Jul 08, 2008, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Just asking why would you have -5 energy on your shield set and not +5 when you might need extra energy on a retreat to mend touch or natural.