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Aera · Mar 13, 2009, 02:07 PM // 14:07

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

About the "brainless" part, well, if a Axe RaO is brainless, the PR warrior is brainless too, excluding the part of canceling PR with Rush, indeed, both use almost the same skills for damage/interruptions, if not exactly the same skills, their jobs are very similar.

With PR you actually need to target switch, weapon switch, hit KDs, chizudance, possibly quarterknock, call spikes, watch for pushing opportunities, TIME your interrupt on vital skills ( dchop ) etc.

What does a RaO do? With a RaO you just train a target with mediocre damage and lots of interrupts until it dies.

See what's brainless and which is not?

IMMORTAlMITCH · Mar 13, 2009, 05:39 PM // 17:39

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Originally Posted by Aera

With PR you actually need to target switch, weapon switch, hit KDs, chizudance, possibly quarterknock, call spikes, watch for pushing opportunities, TIME your interrupt on vital skills ( dchop ) etc.

Outside of the spike calling part, Polly got by jst fine without doing any of those things.

PR was basically, when you use this skill, it becomes 33% easier to play warrior, you take double damage.

NeHoMaR · Mar 13, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Aera

With PR you actually need to target switch, weapon switch, hit KDs, chizudance, possibly quarterknock, call spikes, watch for pushing opportunities, TIME your interrupt on vital skills ( dchop ) etc.

What does a RaO do? With a RaO you just train a target with mediocre damage and lots of interrupts until it dies.

See what's brainless and which is not?

So, a Warrior can intelligently interrupts with Disrupting Chop, and intelligently play the build, and a RaO can't? why? that's arguments confirm the people calling brainless to builds are actually brainless themselves.

You CAN'T call a build a "brainless" build, is not the build, is the PLAYER. The hate/cry/argumentation/flame for effective builds is really old in GW, the first one (afaik) was IWAY (a lot of newbies playing IWAY in brainless mode doesn't means a good player can't play that build in an effective and intelligent way)

BTW, you can quarterknock with a hammer RaO .. oh! wait! you can't because RaOs are ALL brainless!!

You should go Warrior, and MAGICALLY you will be a PRO.

moriz · Mar 13, 2009, 06:39 PM // 18:39

kinda hard to quarterknock with hammer RaO, considering that they only have 1 KD (at least, 1 unconditional KD). you'll need at least two KDs to quarterknock, preferably with an interrupt also.

and btw, one person's brainless might be another's skilled. given what you're arguing, i think everyone know which side of the spectrum you fall under.

Asplode · Mar 13, 2009, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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Originally Posted by IMMORTAlMITCH

Outside of the spike calling part, Polly got by jst fine without doing any of those things.

PR was basically, when you use this skill, it becomes 33% easier to play warrior, you take double damage.

In WoW they call this "Face-rolling", where you roll your face across the keyboard and still win.

moriz · Mar 13, 2009, 07:13 PM // 19:13

asp shall lose his ability to face-roll until he sells me obsidian shards

warrior running · Mar 13, 2009, 07:55 PM // 19:55

primal was fine before nerf especially wit double damage

Whenitrainsitpours · Mar 13, 2009, 07:57 PM // 19:57

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

So, a Warrior can intelligently interrupts with Disrupting Chop, and intelligently play the build, and a RaO can't? why? that's arguments confirm the people calling brainless to builds are actually brainless themselves.

You CAN'T call a build a "brainless" build, is not the build, is the PLAYER. The hate/cry/argumentation/flame for effective builds is really old in GW, the first one (afaik) was IWAY (a lot of newbies playing IWAY in brainless mode doesn't means a good player can't play that build in an effective and intelligent way)

BTW, you can quarterknock with a hammer RaO .. oh! wait! you can't because RaOs are ALL brainless!!

You should go Warrior, and MAGICALLY you will be a PRO.

You can call a build "brainless" because when Palm Strike got buffed, that build was brainless. 1234567 gogogogogo

Divinus Stella · Mar 13, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by warrior running

primal was fine before nerf especially wit double damage

What this guy says is true because hes in [Trim], he cant be a pve scrub if hes core in a [rawr] smurf.

NeHoMaR · Mar 13, 2009, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by moriz

kinda hard to quarterknock with hammer RaO, considering that they only have 1 KD (at least, 1 unconditional KD). you'll need at least two KDs to quarterknock, preferably with an interrupt also.

and btw, one person's brainless might be another's skilled. given what you're arguing, i think everyone know which side of the spectrum you fall under.

You are arguing too, so if I am "something", you are too

I was trying to say I can play "brainless" builds with brain, without feeling I am doing something "wrong". Plus playing "Pro" builds too, of course. This is a game, and I play it; also, I don't need to go meta to have success.

Aera · Mar 13, 2009, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

You CAN'T call a build a "brainless" build, is not the build, is the PLAYER. The hate/cry/argumentation/flame for effective builds is really old in GW, the first one (afaik) was IWAY (a lot of newbies playing IWAY in brainless mode doesn't means a good player can't play that build in an effective and intelligent way)
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Not really. As moriz already pointed out: you need 2 KDs to quarterknock. And the way a RaO works is just by training a target and pressing random interrupts and hope you hit something because you have so many.

And with IWAY: if you play the BUILD intelligently, you use 'intelligent' tactics. That doesn't mean pressing 1 and 2 will change.

moriz · Mar 13, 2009, 11:59 PM // 23:59

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

You are arguing too, so if I am "something", you are too

I was trying to say I can play "brainless" builds with brain, without feeling I am doing something "wrong". Plus playing "Pro" builds too, of course. This is a game, and I play it; also, I don't need to go meta to have success.

what you are trying to argue, is that all builds require what i would call GW101: the very basics of playing GW. yes, all builds require the player to grasp the basics. no, that does not make those builds particularily skill intensive.

if all a build needs is the very basic fundamentals of playing GW, then i would call it brainless. after all, GW101 is just common sense. if you lack that, then you are quite literally lacking a brain.

Rhamia Darigaz · Mar 14, 2009, 01:30 AM // 01:30

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Originally Posted by moriz

given what you're arguing, i think everyone know which side of the spectrum you fall under.

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

You are arguing too, so if I am "something", you are too

L-L-LOGICAL DEDUCTION!!!!11!one
your post is not one

english doesn't seem to be your first language so i'll explain it to you:
sounds like you read "given that you're arguing" when what he said is "given what you're arguing". this means the contents of your arguments determine your position in the spectrum, not the act of arguing.

also, i think i'm pretty good at guild wars so this is my opinion: that prage should be come back to 33% ias and ims and anet should be removing the double damage part of the skill because double damage skills like prage and frenzy suck because while you only do 33% faster attacking you get 100% faster damage on yourself so the other warrior will kill you much faster than you kill him

. i liked the 33% ims too instead of 25% because with 33% you can catch the noob runners who run away with rush or an unmaintainable 33% ims and when you catch them you can very fast be applying bulls strike and kills them

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NeHoMaR · Mar 14, 2009, 04:46 AM // 04:46

Hahahaha! all that people trying to call me a brainless, is so funny! LOL!

Why not just say it directly? it just 3 words: You are brainless!

(You could even copy and paste it)

Silent Treason · Mar 14, 2009, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

Hahahaha! all that people trying to call me a brainless, is so funny! LOL!

Why not just say it directly? it just 3 words: You are brainless!

(You could even copy and paste it)

You are brainless.

Snow Bunny · Mar 14, 2009, 06:45 AM // 06:45

It's pretty lame. They nerfed an overpowered skill that was REALLY fun to use, so that people could use a similarly overpowered skill that's not fun to use.

nerf WE please, we need more...

hmm....

[decapitate] warriors

edit. the proliferation of [battle rage] warriors is pretty good - they have to choose when to take the IMS or the IAS. But WE is still broken.

lutz · Mar 14, 2009, 06:49 AM // 06:49

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Originally Posted by Silent Treason

You are brainless.

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FoxBat · Mar 14, 2009, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

edit. the proliferation of [battle rage] warriors is pretty good - they have to choose when to take the IMS or the IAS.

No they don't! [Weapon of Aggression]

I think that actually won a game on obs...

Bobby2 · Mar 14, 2009, 09:03 AM // 09:03

If it did Tyla gets credit for it - provided those Wars cast WoA themselves

Morgan Crowe · Mar 14, 2009, 10:54 AM // 10:54

@Snow Bunny

Battle Rage is pretty similiar to Warrior's Endurance you just have to spend more time on battle rage than on frenzy.

Basically all you do is charge your adrenskills with battle rage, unload with bull's and frenzy and then charge the skills with battle rage again. This is neither difficult nor do you need any special playerskills for it. But it's might better than WE anyway, since you have a really good splitbar, you can run a utility like shock and you have interrupts in the bar.

WE is just good if you miss anything so you cannot charge adrenalin and you still can spike, moreover you can hit frenzy on recharge without any great disadvantages. I just play WE because I don't rely on the interrupt with two shutdown chars and protectors strike is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing awsm.