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MasterSasori · Apr 08, 2009, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by jaximus

the magebane with holy veil is quite fun and makes inting easy, but also then youre sacrificing a skill slot to make sure you can int things you should be able to int anyway. also with magebane, its only got a 10 sec disable and is more spamable than d shot, so be careful not to magebane things you should be d shotting.

Well the reason I like Veil isn't only the slow casting to make sure that MB hits, but also because its good in general. There are way too many hexes going around these days especially with VoR mesmers and Curse Necros. Most necros are using FF + Plague sending anyway.

Yeah and I also agree with your MB replacing Savage shot. Don't think you really need 3 interrupts.

Xyon the Greatest · Apr 08, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

BA for one of the best damage on ranger, as in RA since their are so many noobs, all you need to do is just go on a killing rage and you can win.. :P

Byron · Apr 08, 2009, 07:47 PM // 19:47

[build prof=r/mo exp=12+1+1 mar=9+1 wil=9+1 pro=3][hunter's shot][magebane shot][distracting shot][apply poison][natural stride][troll unguent][mending touch][resurrection signet][/build]

jaximus · Apr 08, 2009, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

VoR...and...Plague sending.

both of these should be priority d shot targets, and with vor @ 2s even with fast casting you shouldnt have an issue.

mel shot gives an opportunity to win matches, as does burning or broadhead, whereas magebane is more difficult.

magebane requires ping/fps, timing/skill to be more effective and take up your elite spot. magebane makes you be sure to hit the skills you need to int, and if you do it has great payoffs, but if you arent in a situation with ping/fps/skill level, youd be better off with sav shot for the spamable int and then you have a freed up elite spot.

MasterSasori · Apr 08, 2009, 10:25 PM // 22:25

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Originally Posted by jaximus

both of these should be priority d shot targets, and with vor @ 2s even with fast casting you shouldnt have an issue.

mel shot gives an opportunity to win matches, as does burning or broadhead, whereas magebane is more difficult.

magebane requires ping/fps, timing/skill to be more effective and take up your elite spot. magebane makes you be sure to hit the skills you need to int, and if you do it has great payoffs, but if you arent in a situation with ping/fps/skill level, youd be better off with sav shot for the spamable int and then you have a freed up elite spot.

Its not as if the other elites don't require ping/fps/skill. BHA requires good positioning, Melandru's requires timing and positioning as well.

A stronger interruption ability means less pressure which your team could make up the damage easily. Besides, MB means you can bypass the millions of blocking skills out there.

Neo-LD · Apr 08, 2009, 11:13 PM // 23:13

Magebane is useful against Distortion Mind Blasters and monks who obsessively Guardian themselves, but honestly that can't be worth it. In RA, you have to expect that all your teammates will be bad, and therefore you must carry your team to victory all by yourself. This means taking on as many tasks as possible and leaving as little in the hands of your teammate as possible. Burning Arrow allows you to carry out a very critical function that Magebane does not: killing.

Ben-A-BoO · Apr 09, 2009, 08:54 PM // 20:54

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Originally Posted by jaximus

magebane requires ping/fps, timing/skill to be more effective and take up your elite spot.

There is one skill that rules RA: [resurrection signet]

Now if your ping/fps, timing/skill is you bad you don't even know the animation of a it nor manage to interrupt it in time, then you shouldn't even think about running a ranger.

if you are worth your salt as a ranger then [[magebane] will get your love because of the multiple copies of ...
[natural stride][Lightning Reflexes][Escape][distortion][guardian][weapon of warding][Disciplined Stance]

for the rest just spread your poison and interrupt the other half million 1-2 second casts ... works even with a half decent ping and a bit of experience.

valence · Apr 09, 2009, 09:43 PM // 21:43

mel shot + hunters is ranger on easy mode. easiest poison spread you will ever get.. poison spread win games, dshot woh is all neat, but if a monk doesn't need to cast a woh you aint gonna get it. Poison spreading is the best pressure you get and that bleeding will kick in the majority of the time.

just sucks if they have ff.

jaximus · Apr 09, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by timebandit

There is one skill that rules RA: [resurrection signet]

for this you should always be thinking [distracting shot]
[magebane shot] doesn't disable [resurrection signet] at all, so they can just recast it in the recharge time.

my point is that taking [magebane shot] as your elite restricts your versatility and makes you rely on interruption. [melandru's shot] allows you to position the battlefield in your advantage by snaring melee and/or casters with blind/blurred/anti physical damage out of range of you.

the main point we are all overlooking though, is that there is actually choices for rangers, something that cant be said for every class. there seems to be a bit of parity/balance among the ranger elites, which is a nice place to be.

MasterSasori · Apr 10, 2009, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by jaximus

for this you should always be thinking [distracting shot]
[magebane shot] doesn't disable [resurrection signet] at all, so they can just recast it in the recharge time.

my point is that taking [magebane shot] as your elite restricts your versatility and makes you rely on interruption. [melandru's shot] allows you to position the battlefield in your advantage by snaring melee and/or casters with blind/blurred/anti physical damage out of range of you.

the main point we are all overlooking though, is that there is actually choices for rangers, something that cant be said for every class. there seems to be a bit of parity/balance among the ranger elites, which is a nice place to be.

No there are times I rather use MB shot than DS on someone using rez. Why? Though the reason why DS is generally better is obvious, but the MB can be useful for causing the player you just interrupted to waste more time trying to rez. Now idiots will try to rez right after, but others will try to move to another position. Often its a bad one that isolates the player making the kill easier for your teammates.

Yes and there are lots of choices for rangers. They really are that awesome

. But as I see it, Rangers' best utility is its amazing interruption ability. MB is the epitome of this ability and that is why I use it. I wouldn't go after melee classes anyway, so Melandru's, which is an awesome elite nonetheless, isn't as useful imo.

iVendetta · Apr 10, 2009, 09:02 PM // 21:02

My Warrior got literally shut down yesterday in RA without any anti-melee hexes. Reason being, an interrupting ranger at point blank range basically interrupted a good portion of my attacks, and those which made it through couldn't cut through [[Natural Stride]. So I died after around 30 seconds of shitty DPS, and there I stood pondering that I just got my ass handed to me by some tard with 70AL. My team was pissed.

Your elite? [Magebane Shot]
As for the rest of your bar: [Distracting Shot], [Savage Shot], [Disrupting Shot].

X Cytherea X · Apr 10, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Neo-LD

Magebane is useful against Distortion Mind Blasters and monks who obsessively Guardian themselves, but honestly that can't be worth it. In RA, you have to expect that all your teammates will be bad, and therefore you must carry your team to victory all by yourself. This means taking on as many tasks as possible and leaving as little in the hands of your teammate as possible. Burning Arrow allows you to carry out a very critical function that Magebane does not: killing.

agree. you dont need to interrupt what's dead.

AnClar · Apr 12, 2009, 09:53 PM // 21:53

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Originally Posted by jaximus

the main point we are all overlooking though, is that there is actually choices for rangers, something that cant be said for every class. there seems to be a bit of parity/balance among the ranger elites, which is a nice place to be.

And this really does sum up the discussion! I'ts truly interesting to see the way this thread has developed. I didn't include [Magebane Shot] in my OP because I hadn't used it in so long, I'd sorta discarded it as a viable Elite. I did try it again and found it to be OK, but I think after working some more with all four of the main elites, I prefer [Burning Arrow]. As others have said, if you're any good at interrupting, all you should need on your bar are two ints. And since the most important part of RA is making things dead as quickly as possible, [Apply Poison][Natural Stride][Burning Arrow][Savage Shot][Distracting Shot][Mending Touch][Troll Unguent][Resurrection Signet] makes for a great, hard-to-kill, versatile player in RA.

And, best of all, we as Rangers DO have many options for different playstyles. It's one of the main reasons why I've been a R primary (mostly) since GW was in beta four years ago.

AnClar · Apr 12, 2009, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

So I died after around 30 seconds of shitty DPS, and there I stood pondering that I just got my ass handed to me by some tard with 70AL. My team was pissed.

So you STOOD pondering? I would have thought from your status as dead, you would have been taking a dirt nap while you pondered!

Seriously though, it is yet another testament to just how powerful a good R can be!

Yue · Apr 12, 2009, 10:09 PM // 22:09

Burning Arrow.

HotPocket · Apr 13, 2009, 12:58 AM // 00:58

BA isn't as good as it used to be (turret much?)

I take Mel's or Magebane... or Incendiary if I wanna be different xD

Wish Swiftdeath · Apr 13, 2009, 01:10 AM // 01:10

Thing is, a good magebane will win you games. Mels and BA rangers are less likely to. Of course if you're bad stick to spamming fast activation skills.

Snow Bunny · Apr 13, 2009, 01:31 AM // 01:31

I still have screenshots of me easily shutting down a 2 monk RA backline with magebane/savageshot/dshot spam.

Magebane is pure rape in that arena. Monking in that arena is pressured enough, an unblockable interrupt with poison tacked on it is just a buttRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO.

If you actually want to help kill stuff, take hunter's shot instead of savage.

HotPocket · Apr 13, 2009, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Edit, double post, nvm

Yue · Apr 13, 2009, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by HotPocket

BA isn't as good as it used to be (turret much?)

BA was strong even before turrets were in play. BA is stronger since they buffed the burning duration (ranger much)?

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I still have screenshots of me easily shutting down a 2 monk RA backline with magebane/savageshot/dshot spam.

All this is saying is you have screenshots of you being bad and getting lucky.