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Legendary Shiz · Oct 19, 2007, 08:06 PM // 20:06

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Yes, but you still can't get around that they do discriminate people cause of all the thickheads out there that's the main reason they do disscriminate.

I am currently Rank 6 and I play with Rank 9/10+ groups all the time, cause I got friends and they know I am better then my title says, so saying that Rank Equals Skill is just pure trashtalk.

I honestly don't think ANYBODY believes title = skill, HOWEVER there's no doubt that title = experience.

So who are you going to take in your r6+ group, the r7 lfg or the r5 lfg.

ax mastery · Oct 19, 2007, 09:14 PM // 21:14

I'm only rank 3. I don't like to ha. Thats it. I have spent nearly a year and a half now gvg'ing, so im a decent player. But im still only rank 3. Recently I was in a guild with a bunch of r6 players, and was disgusted by how terrible they were. One even insisted that i was wrong in saying that kd's are base 2 seconds. This might be uncommon, but he had the wolf. I only had a deer. I was still much much better than him. Discuss.

Legendary Shiz · Oct 19, 2007, 09:50 PM // 21:50

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Originally Posted by ax mastery

I'm only rank 3. I don't like to ha. Thats it. I have spent nearly a year and a half now gvg'ing, so im a decent player. But im still only rank 3. Recently I was in a guild with a bunch of r6 players, and was disgusted by how terrible they were. One even insisted that i was wrong in saying that kd's are base 2 seconds. This might be uncommon, but he had the wolf. I only had a deer. I was still much much better than him. Discuss.

This argument means nothing.

Congrats, you're a better GvGer than him. It's a shame you weren't comparing champ titles or maybe I'd listen to you.

Question: He is probably a more experienced HAer than you, correct?

Here's the way I see it.

If I'm going to TA, and I see a guy with r6 hero and a guy with r4 glad I'm asking the r4 glad.

Vice versa if I'm looking for an HA group.

It's simple logic, really.

ax mastery · Oct 19, 2007, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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Originally Posted by Legendary Shiz

This argument means nothing.

Congrats, you're a better GvGer than him. It's a shame you weren't comparing champ titles or maybe I'd listen to you.

Question: He is probably a more experienced HAer than you, correct?

Here's the way I see it.

If I'm going to TA, and I see a guy with r6 hero and a guy with r4 glad I'm asking the r4 glad.

Vice versa if I'm looking for an HA group.

It's simple logic, really.

No, he was just bad. Bad at gvg, bad at ha, bad at arenas. I was far more skilled and knowledgeable than he will ever be (not saying that im really good, he was just horrible.) So, since i was still better than him at ha, i think the argument was fine. I'm assuming you missed the part about him arguing about the length of kd's, yes?

elektra_lucia · Oct 19, 2007, 10:49 PM // 22:49

You said discuss, so as you wish:

You were wrong to argue about KD's while in a group or what not. Should of just copied a link to a wiki page and showed it to the group, rather than debate it you should humiliate but in a nice manner. People notice characters like this and it aids you in getting groups later on.

As for skill, rank, and what not. Hmm, this guy was an exception. I also hear of this story a lot and USUALLY the gvg'er turns out to be absolutely TERRIBLE. Not saying this is the case with you, but it happens...

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Yes, but you still can't get around that they do discriminate people cause of all the thickheads out there that's the main reason they do disscriminate.

I am currently Rank 6 and I play with Rank 9/10+ groups all the time, cause I got friends and they know I am better then my title says, so saying that Rank Equals Skill is just pure trashtalk.

You've contradicted yourself here. You talk about discrimination then you say you join high rank groups. As for the better than your title says, hmm. Your title doesn't say skill, you're probably worse than your friend thinks too... So often a rank10 invites a rank5 into the group and the person goes 'oh don't worry he's a good monk'. Uh, no, the prot just used up twice the energy to cover it up ><. Sure it's fine if the player will improve quickly (and at low rank I believed I would improve quickly if I got to play regularly).

Any ways, like I said, I tried to help low rank players...

You hear much about the rank discrimination but often you don't hear people compliment the people who helped them in the game... Customers don't turn up at the shop complaining they got such a good service...

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I am currently Rank 6 and I play with Rank 9/10+ groups all the time

For how long have you been playing with these rank9/10+ groups?

Ego · Oct 19, 2007, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Just 2 groups, and I do not play THAT often, I guess little over 3 months.

And just cause I play with my friends I am discriminating people? How do you know what I do when I don't play with them? I gotta tell ya, I am not a huge HA fan, but when they ask me to come, I come if I am not busy.

And that covering up for others, I dunno there tbh, guess it happens, not something I have noticed much tho.

Usually if someone is really bad it shows quite quickly.

elektra_lucia · Oct 19, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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I am currently Rank 6 and I play with Rank 9/10+ groups all the time

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Just 2 groups, and I do not play THAT often, I guess little over 3 months.

So you've been playing with them for three months, all the time or what?

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And just cause I play with my friends I am discriminating people? How do you know what I do when I don't play with them? I gotta tell ya, I am not a huge HA fan, but when they ask me to come, I come if I am not busy.

You talk about discrimination yet you contradict yourself by saying you join higher rank groups than what you are...

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How do you know what I do when I don't play with them?

Ceiling cat.

insightful moth · Oct 20, 2007, 03:37 AM // 03:37

It's human nature to try and boast superiority over others, a competitive pvp environment only encourages descrimination.

Most experienced players only ever play with friends and their extended friends lists, pugs are usually players from familiar guilds rather than complete strangers. In these circles rank doesn't apply, because if you show the wrong attitude you just don't get asked to play again. It's not really elitism as such, more that once you've played a certain amount you end up not wanting your time wasted by disagreeable pugs.
The rank descrimination described in this thread usually happens because the newer players, who haven't found regular teammates yet, end up having to pug with the people who have farmed titles but nobody wants to put up with.

The larger problem is that the only way for new players to get into HA is by playing the template meta builds, which don't necessarily teach them anything about the game. With the trash talking attitudes of a lot of HA players, it's easy to see why people would prefer winning the odd match with a template over struggling to learn a balanced build. Even with high level players it's still a tedious process developing original builds because if you miss something you can end up losing to a team of idiots who happened to get lucky. The result is that teams end up just copying builds from observer, competition turns into a boring build-war meta, everyone gets annoyed and trash talks to alleviate stress.

New players are stuck playing gimmicks to farm their way to fetid river and back, whilst more experienced players find it too much effort to make new builds and try out new players. Everyone ends up farming fame because seems like the only objective, and as the previously high ranked players get bored and start playing more casually, the ratio of trash talkers playing rises.

phoenixtech · Oct 20, 2007, 04:15 AM // 04:15

For all of the newer players wondering about discrimination, this post is the truth. The highest level of HA are pretty much all flist only. I don't play that much anymore, but when I do play, it's really flist and my flist's flist. Rank means NOTHING in these groups. It's only when we're short 1 or 2 people and HAVE to pug someone that rank becomes a factor. Even then, if a r9++ pug have a bad attitude, I'd boot him in an instant and take a r6++ that will play along with the rest of the team.

Also, I like to play experimental builds alot. To even have the CLOSEST chance of pulling off wins with any non-FOTM build, you pretty much HAVE to have a flist group. Even r9++ pugs will rage quit and get confused trying to play new builds because 1) It takes time to get used to your teammates, 2) Experimental builds often have bugs that needs to be worked out, 3) Experimental builds often have strategies that you need to figure out as you go.

Eitherway though, pugs usually = lose. The lesson here is, form your own team, and build your flist. Flist = win, pugs = lose.

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It's human nature to try and boast superiority over others, a competitive pvp environment only encourages descrimination.

Most experienced players only ever play with friends and their extended friends lists, pugs are usually players from familiar guilds rather than complete strangers. In these circles rank doesn't apply, because if you show the wrong attitude you just don't get asked to play again. It's not really elitism as such, more that once you've played a certain amount you end up not wanting your time wasted by disagreeable pugs.
The rank descrimination described in this thread usually happens because the newer players, who haven't found regular teammates yet, end up having to pug with the people who have farmed titles but nobody wants to put up with.

The larger problem is that the only way for new players to get into HA is by playing the template meta builds, which don't necessarily teach them anything about the game. With the trash talking attitudes of a lot of HA players, it's easy to see why people would prefer winning the odd match with a template over struggling to learn a balanced build. Even with high level players it's still a tedious process developing original builds because if you miss something you can end up losing to a team of idiots who happened to get lucky. The result is that teams end up just copying builds from observer, competition turns into a boring build-war meta, everyone gets annoyed and trash talks to alleviate stress.

New players are stuck playing gimmicks to farm their way to fetid river and back, whilst more experienced players find it too much effort to make new builds and try out new players. Everyone ends up farming fame because seems like the only objective, and as the previously high ranked players get bored and start playing more casually, the ratio of trash talkers playing rises.

Axilo · Oct 20, 2007, 06:27 AM // 06:27

Tbh i never had a problem with Rank Discrimination.
When i started HA-ing. I just made sure that i had a mic so i was able to talk and i watched HoH to see what builds they use. You can learn alot from it. To see how you run a relic. What some good builds for your monks are ect.

Chris Blackstar · Oct 21, 2007, 01:25 AM // 01:25

the problem with rank is that it is no bearing on a players experience, all it tells you is that, that player has a lot of fame. It does not tell you how that fame was earned, it does not tell you if the player earned it or bought it, either threw an account or other. It does not tell you none of that.

The only way for a person to really tell is to except the person, look at the build request for the particular team, and see how they play.

Because for all you know, they may only play with teams that win, and if your team loses even once, they leave.

Lastly, this game is for fun, winning halls is nice, but not required, so I say give players with no or lower rank a chance, by helping them become more experienced.

elektra_lucia · Oct 21, 2007, 02:41 AM // 02:41

I wrote a lot so I forgive you for not reading it, I'll try shorten it. What you have written above is a complete crock of crap. No offence.
Firstly. Most high rank players did not buy an account with fame on it, anyone who thinks that is just ignorant.
Secondly. With that said, rank is an indication of experience. It DOES NOT matter what build they played. Whether they got 4.6K fame IWAY or 4.6K fame from monking, they're still more experienced than an unranked player in HA.

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Because for all you know, they may only play with teams that win, and if your team loses even once, they leave.

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so I say give players with no or lower rank a chance, by helping them become more experienced.

I'm joining these two quotes together, they're well suited. I gave low rank players a chance and trust me, they left after losing once A HELL of a lot quicker than a high rank player would. Many high rank players will give it two or three goes, oh not these guys.

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Lastly, this game is for fun, winning halls is nice, but not required, so I say give players with no or lower rank a chance

You said it, it's for fun. I don't personally use the game discs to slash my wrists, or put them in my CD player and piss on it, so piss flies around the walls. Surprisingly, I use the discs to play the game and have fun. I know this may come as a very big effing shock to you but that's the truth. So thank you VERY much for pointing out the obvious.
I think it's easier for players now than it was to gain fame in a way, but pretend it's equal. Do you think it's 'FUN' for a high rank player (who had a rough time getting fame) to then repeat it, helping some scrub that 99.5% of the time will absolutely SUCK at the game?

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Lastly, this game is for fun, winning halls is nice, but not required,

Why not? Where else am I to get my money? You think the LOW rank PVE players give me their free time? Free droks runs? Where are the free spider capping services? Hm? So they won't give the steam off their piss, but we should devote our time to helping despite the fact that there's a low rank player who will pay for our time AND we would have a friend list online? The ONLY exception should be if someone gives a very good impression or can offer something in the long run. Again, this doesn't happen often.

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so I say give players with no or lower rank a chance, by helping them become more experienced.

But why? Just WHY? Rank is no indication of experience remember. Why help them and not a high rank player? You said it yourself:

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the problem with rank is that it is no bearing on a players experience, all it tells you is that, that player has a lot of fame

Or did you forget that?
Please just for once can one of you clueless idiots that think GW is a huge conspiracy to rank discriminate, can you give me a valid counter to this argument?

I read some of your other posts purely to see if you're a PVE player... So, you're the typical low rank player that comes from PVE and will demand help. Here's something I found:

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I will say this again, nothing and I mean nothing in this game has been or ever will be overpowered!!!

It comes down to skill, orginazation, and good tactics, with, mind you, a lot of practice. Then once you learn those things, you can take any skill and make it seem overpowered on the grounds that you have mastered it.
My suggestion is to look at the skills being used and review other skills that will defeat them, or counter them, then devise a build and develop it with some good old fashion practice.
Or you could take the easy way out and bitch that the skill or build is overpowered because you SUCK and the other player is better then you.

Comment by you. You never saw an R'Spike when orders stacked? So you think if SF flames killed the ENTIRE enemy and cost 1 energy, 1/4 cast time. That wouldn't be over powered? Yes I'm exaggerating, but at what point would something not be over powered hm? So your brain is clearly about as logical as a chocolate teapot.

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GW only real problem is balance issues and how the devs seem to forget the PvE is bigger the PvP, but that ia a mute point. The other problem is the players themselves. Take the person who started this build, a necro characters, most likely a blood necro at that, due to HA experience, probably never really played the other versions, if only once to try them out. This person said that they are bored, fine be that way, typical gamer attitude.

I can see that this person is the beat it then return it type gamer and then look for the next challenge, my suggestion is that you should not play GW. Games you need are advanced online shooters like socom or one of the rainbow six type games. Maybe stragity will help you. I know World Conflict is coming out, that should be a good game for you.

But for me, out of all the online games I have played, GW has the most replay value of them all, because the only thing that repeats is the story, the game play, gold drops, item drops, chests, monsters, skills, tactics, and builds are always changeing, as well as new discoveries with skills I never even tried.

I thought you said nothing was imbalanced?

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Cry me a river, build a bridge, and get over it!!!

My suggestion is to join a guild with friendly players, otherwise deal with the trash, or don't get killed.

By the way, if the rolls were reversed, would you have rezed him?

Can be said about the helping, no?

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I took someones advice and used 4 monks, 2 hero's, 2 henches. The end result, aced the mission with a masters rating.

I guess you didn't feel like helping people that could of took the place of those two heroes and two henchies

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personally I could care less, however I can not understand the players with a Luxon mentality, they all seem spoiled in some way. I would like to see the rolls reversed, let the Luxons defend for a change and the Kurzicks attack, as for AB, I was just there and waited over an hour before I got tired of the message "No opponent joined, timer restated"

Ok so the Luxon side won, does that mean that they also decided to stop playing as well. When the Kurzicks owned the luxons side, they still continued playing. So what is up with Luxon players?

By the way owning a town really gives you little, as a Kurzick I can still buy 15K Kurzick armor if I want, so the Luxon victory really means nothing.

You talk about racism in a lot of your posts. Yet this is a sure sign of racism. Race being a group of people...

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All I have to say is too bad. The problem here is not Anet, it is players who abuse the game. There are scammers everywhere and anything can be scammed. There are also buyers and cheaters who wants things without working for them.

Most likely your friend was a player who farmed a lot, for items, gold, whatever. He had to have been also a player who tended to either over inflate items or simply sell them to player rather then to traders. There is the problem, all it would take is for him to sell it to one player who was a cheat, either on purpose, becaused they offered and super inflated amount for the item. His selling practice could have done him in.

It seems Anet has a zero talorence policy when it comes to cheating of anykind, given the amount of money they are puting in their game investment, and the fact that it is free for us players to play on the system.

There for any violation either by accident or on purpose is going to be treated as if it was done in malice, thus the offending parties are going to be punished.

My suggestion is learn form this and only sell items back to traders or players you know, or at least keep the prices fair and low profile.

You want a high rank group without working for it

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This event burns me up with anger!!! I may never go to HA ever because what it has become, a place for elete a-holes who stick to their own kind, and do not even let newcomers in to the game, unless you are R3 or above and IWAY or some other stupid build.

Basicly it is a compition that's only goal is winning and not having fun. They should make the team formation like random areas, or Fort Aspenwood. I say change the format, and players will return.

I have been playing GW since before it's inception, during the beta weekends, and HA has always been the same, players use one build to gain a high rank, or monk it to gain rank, but still for new players or even old players who want to give it a try, find that most negative experence that GW has to offer in HA and never return to it again.

You think high rank players should help people like you, with comments like this? Oh, every high rank player IWAY's or is an arsehole. Why should ANYONE help when you've been racist, hypocritical, judgemental, not to mention contradicting. I mean, all you've done in your other posts is say how imbalanced fort aspenwood is, then you say HA should be like it?

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This is what all PvP'ers fail to undersatand, that GW was a failure from the start. The game failed

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Anet killed PvP by merging it with PvE. A mistake that cost them big time

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Players who rushed thru the game, hey it's your own fault for being fast and stupid, so stop bitching.

Guess you have no reason for taking those heroes...

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I don't dislike hard core players

Could of fooled me.

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Oh well, PvEers are better at skill usage then PvPers anyway, let them have the skills. The time it will take them to figure out what skills are useful, and what skills are not, I will have all the...

Pro gamers.

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This is business, and as a business I feel they are being very smart with this, one it will increase sales of the first GW to those who enjoy PvP over RP. Second it will provide Anet with more money...

Are you saying GW doesn't fail after all?

P.S. Behaving like a spoiled brat? You don't help PVE players yet you deem it right people should help you in HA? ^_^.

P.P.S. Most of this post is quotes from what you have written, or rather the verbal diarrhoea that you have smeared in our faces.

Zui · Oct 21, 2007, 07:15 AM // 07:15

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Originally Posted by Chris Blackstar

the problem with rank is that it is no bearing on a players experience, all it tells you is that, that player has a lot of fame. It does not tell you how that fame was earned, it does not tell you if the player earned it or bought it, either threw an account or other. It does not tell you none of that.

Rank is not a perfectly accurate measure of experience or skill. It could have been purchased for in-game gold, real money, earned by running mindless gimmicks like VIMway on double fame weekends, or IWAY, or Ether Renewal, or Spirit Spam (the original spirit spam), et cetera. However, just because some people obtain a high rank and are still bad players, doesn't mean Rank does not mean anything.

The more fame someone has, the more likely they are to be better than someone with significantly less fame. If you were putting together a group, and you had two people asking to join it, one was rank 12, and the other claimed to be three fame away from his bambi, who would you pick if your objective was to make the best group possible? Assume you have no other information about the players, or all the other information you do have is identical for both players. Unsurprisingly, I'd pick the guy with the phoenix. I bet you would too. He has a much higher chance to be better than the guy who's not even rank 3. It's not 100% certain he will be, but it's reasonably safe to assume he will be better on average, and I don't have any information to contradict this. So why not go with the odds? Picking the rank 3 guy in that scenario would be like not switching in the Monty Hall Problem.

The same thing goes if I thought the rank 12 guy was an idiot (say he joined the group as a Monk and had a superior and a major rune on, and was running a bar of 8 healing skills). I still wouldn't pick the not quite rank 3. I'd pick neither, and get someone else. Why? Because on average, people who are below rank 3 or just rank 3 are abysmal. I know of several players who are exceptions to this, many of which are obvious (ex: Last of Master), and some of which you'd never guess, but without any additional information on that guy, I'm going to assume he is average, and the average rank 3 player is really bad, so I'm not going to pick him.

You can call me a rank elitist for this if you want, but rank does mean something, and it means something positive; rank means you've played the game for awhile, long enough to get X fame, and that means you've got some experience under your belt, and probably have some idea as to what you're doing. Oh, and I agree with Ensign. Only shitters bitch about rank elitism.

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The only way for a person to really tell is to except the person, look at the build request for the particular team, and see how they play.

You do have a point. You have no idea how good someone really is until you have some experience with them, or someone you know and trust can vouch for them. Then again, someone who's rank 10 is probably better than someone who's rank 4, so if I have to pick, I'm going to pick the rank 10. That does not mean I'm going to just say "oh he's rank ten he's good", because I'm still going to watch him, and if he sucks he's gone, but I'm going to find a player who meets my standards much faster by going through a bunch of high rank players as opposed to going through a bunch of low ranked players. Essentially, I'm just using rank as a tool to find someone who is acceptable much faster than I normally would, sometimes even on the first try. So, the real question is: Should I go through thirty low ranked guys who say they're good, and then just give up because they're all really bad, or try 3 r9+ guys and find someone who's acceptable on the third try? I think the answer is obvious. (However, my preferred answer would be what's known as the guild menu, or the friends menu, since when you get someone who you know is good to come, you don't have to worry about them being bad)

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Because for all you know, they may only play with teams that win, and if your team loses even once, they leave.

Do you have a point? I don't think so.

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Lastly, this game is for fun, winning halls is nice, but not required, so I say give players with no or lower rank a chance, by helping them become more experienced.

The game is for fun. Different players find different things fun. I, personally, do not find playing with people who are absolutely terrible any fun. I consider it to be very unfun, and a waste of my time, although I do enjoy playing with the "dood u need 2 hav a sup on ur monk lulz" types of players once in a great while as a source of amusement.

Oh, and you really can't say that people who are low ranked/unranked don't get chances, because they do. I've invited guys who are unranked to several groups that are 'officially' ranked groups. No one cared. No one even asked. In the case they did find out sometime later, they still didn't care. Then again, I invited those guys because I knew they were good (or at least good enough that no one would care).

However, there's no reason I should help the unranked guy who thinks he's the best player ever and should be playing in rank 12+ groups and holding halls 24/7, and in the same breath say that rank means nothing and holding halls is easy. Those types of players are terrible, and are never going to improve. So why should anyone bother with them? They're just a giant waste of time, energy, and effort. The time you spend with them could be equally productive if you spent it banging your head against a wall--unless you were looking for material to put on TTN, in which case this time can be gold.

I really could say so much more, and say what I've already said so much better, but I have no idea why I even responded to you, so I'm going to shut up now.

Vel · Oct 22, 2007, 03:49 PM // 15:49

elektra_lucia I applaud you for your opening post. I 100% agree to the fact that new people need to learn from the experienced ones. If the new person feels the suggestion/advice is crappy, he/she needs to try it out before neglecting it.

3 main problems new people in PvP face (included me):

1. Standing in one spot when not doing anything. You SHALL NEVER stand in one spot when you are not in action. You keep moving...step forward or backward, right or left.

2. Trying to be in action all the time while not watching the battlefield. You don't have to be in action at all times. Watch the battlefield; get a feel for the pressure point. Is your team under pressure or is it the other team getting their rear handed to them? Should you pressure the other team's monks or the offense of the other team?

3. Casting Spells while Retreating. Retreat means retreat. Get your buttocks outta there! (I used to do that shamelessly.

) You alone won't change the situation; it will take almost all of your team's combined and timed effective effort.

There are variety of others and you identify them with experience. It is a continuous improvement process. If you don't agree to this, you will never ever be good and eventually will be frustrated and leave.

"Flameshields Up!"

- Vel

Oblivious Moose · Oct 22, 2007, 04:16 PM // 16:16

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So when people say practice makes perfect, sure but only GOOD practice makes perfect.

ill make this sound better for you.

Practice makes PERMANENT.

if you practice bad habits, u will keep those habits, and play improper.

if you practice good habits, with the help of knowledge and skill, you will improve and become a better player.

Shuuda · Oct 22, 2007, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Although I'm an unranked player, I understand the need for elitism (inorder for ranked players to play with people of the same skill level), but I wish that most of the high ranked players I meet ingame would stop being overly arrogent. It's like their answer to winning every arguement I have with them is something on the lines of.

"What rank are you?"
"I r r9, you not, me good, u noob"
etc etc

That's not elitism, that's just retardedness. Even today I had an r9 in RA say that I was a noob for using Flame Djinn (Dispite the fact I was running mystic regen, I hope I don't need to explain why them two go together) and that running (kiting) is for noobs.

elektra_lucia · Oct 22, 2007, 05:44 PM // 17:44

I would probably argue like that simply because anyone that is trying to insult someone for being an 'air head' yet calling them 'arrogent' is probably too stupid to debate with. Someone of such mentality does not really deserve to have intellect spent on them and therefore I would just reply with something retarded.

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I really could say so much more, and say what I've already said so much better, but I have no idea why I even responded to you, so I'm going to shut up now.

Well, it looks like the guy made his bullshit speech and then ran away =D. Or perhaps he knows there's no counter to what you have said.

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(Dispite the fact I was running mystic regen, I hope I don't need to explain why them two go together)

Correct, as this is the Heroes Ascent section and being insulted in RA has nothing to do with being denied from an HA group because you are terrible at the game =D.

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ill make this sound better for you.

Practice makes PERMANENT.

if you practice bad habits, u will keep those habits, and play improper.

if you practice good habits, with the help of knowledge and skill, you will improve and become a better player.

No, you don't need to make the statement better. It was good how it was. You can overcome bad habits, nothing is permanent :].

Shuuda · Oct 22, 2007, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Correct, as this is the Heroes Ascent section and being insulted in RA has nothing to do with being denied from an HA group because you are terrible at the game =D.

It was just an example. But thanks for the uneeded insult.

elektra_lucia · Oct 22, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

It was just an example. But thanks for the uneeded insult.

If it's so unneeded you wouldn't of edited your post after I had replied to it. You've stated that MOST of the high rank players you meet are 'arrogent air heads'. That's not a very nice thing to say about them in my opinion. Arrogance is the belief that you are better than people in general. Maybe they don't think that, maybe they just think they're better than you?

You clearly didn't get it, so I'll explain

. You have called a majority of high rank people air heads but you can't spell arrogant correctly. Don't get me wrong, spelling isn't the be all and end all in an argument; however, spelling arrogant incorrectly while calling higher rank people air heads seems hypocritical at best

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Shuuda · Oct 22, 2007, 06:06 PM // 18:06

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Originally Posted by elektra_lucia

If it's so unneeded you wouldn't of edited your post, after I had replied to it. You've stated that MOST of the high rank players you meet are 'arrogent air heads'. That's not a very nice thing to say about them in my opinion. Arrogance is the belief that you are better than people. Maybe they don't think that, maybe they just think they're better than you?

You clearly didn't get it, so I'll explain

. You have called a majority of high rank people air heads, but you can't spell arrogant correctly. Don't get me wrong, spelling isn't the be all and end all in an argument; however, spelling arrogant incorrectly while calling higher rank people air heads seems hypocritical at best

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I didn't even refer to that part in my post, and I edited that because you were right, I was refering to the part I quoted.