Curse

superraptors · Aug 14, 2011, 12:09 AM // 00:09

faint is only good for rangers and hammer wars.

faint is sorta mediocre after duration nerf

makosi · Aug 14, 2011, 07:00 AM // 07:00

Insidious is a pretty good self-heal in RA since so many sins are too dim to cease attacking when they're hexed with it.

Missing HB · Aug 14, 2011, 07:59 AM // 07:59

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Originally Posted by makosi

Insidious is a pretty good self-heal in RA since so many sins are too dim to cease attacking when they're hexed with it.

You know, when you don't have a healer in the party, there's not much choice...

Either stop attacking, which means be useless for 10 sec( and you will die 4 sec later usually).. either deal some damage although you will receive some too...

In both cases, you end up dying anyway...

makosi · Aug 14, 2011, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

You know, when you don't have a healer in the party, there's not much choice...

Either stop attacking, which means be useless for 10 sec( and you will die 4 sec later usually).. either deal some damage although you will receive some too...

In both cases, you end up dying anyway...

Same logic applies to the necro without the healer in his party. I guess it's fair to say that RA is rock, paper, scissors with colourful graphics.

Shrimz · Aug 14, 2011, 10:59 PM // 22:59

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Originally Posted by makosi

Same logic applies to the necro without the healer in his party. I guess it's fair to say that RA is rock, paper, scissors with colourful graphics.

That's why I'd rather take IP than faint because it's more survivability w/o monk

Xenomortis · Aug 14, 2011, 11:03 PM // 23:03

Insidious Parasite doesn't slow a Warrior killing other people, Faintheartedness does.
It's not as though the two were mutually exclusive anyway.

HigherMinion · Aug 14, 2011, 11:13 PM // 23:13

I wonder: does Faint prevent more damage than IP heals?

kedde · Aug 14, 2011, 11:28 PM // 23:28

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

I wonder: does Faint prevent more damage than IP heals?

Way too many factors for it to ever be a relevant argument. Besides, that was never the point, Bring both faint and IP, throw out the rubbish poisoned heart and it'd be twice as good.

Xenomortis · Aug 14, 2011, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

I wonder: does Faint prevent more damage than IP heals?

The healing effect from IP is meaningless if the Nec isn't the one taking damage. Ultimately IP simply causes the physical to switch targets away from the Necro (if he was even attacking it) and then IP simply becomes a weaker and more expensive Empathy.

Horus Moonlight · Aug 15, 2011, 01:35 AM // 01:35

Why would IP's healing be useless if the Nec isn't the one being wailed on?

Shrimz · Aug 15, 2011, 01:36 AM // 01:36

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

The healing effect from IP is meaningless if the Nec isn't the one taking damage. Ultimately IP simply causes the physical to switch targets away from the Necro (if he was even attacking it) and then IP simply becomes a weaker and more expensive Empathy.

Yes, but IP also deals damage, not only heals. Most melee will not attack through IP or Empathy, it can also be used for damage spikes such as when a sin goes into a chain.

HigherMinion · Aug 15, 2011, 07:32 AM // 07:32

I believe a monk can outheal much of what IP does...

the_deSKtructor · Aug 15, 2011, 07:48 AM // 07:48

Fainth is safer, IP is faster...

shrimz clutch · Aug 15, 2011, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Jeydra · Aug 16, 2011, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

Insidious Parasite doesn't slow a Warrior killing other people, Faintheartedness does.
It's not as though the two were mutually exclusive anyway.

Insidious -> can't Frenzy. Well, perhaps "can't" is the wrong word, but definitely using the IAS is more dangerous.

Coast · Aug 16, 2011, 08:58 AM // 08:58

its not dangerous to frenzy on insidious tho, not like u ever get into real trouble if ur monk is competent.

HigherMinion · Aug 16, 2011, 09:52 AM // 09:52

IP isn't damage; Frenzy won't trigger double lifesteal.

Jeydra · Aug 16, 2011, 10:24 AM // 10:24

You still lose health at a faster rate.

Xenomortis · Aug 16, 2011, 11:07 AM // 11:07

You take and deal the same amount of damage in a shorter time frame; a Warrior can usually afford that whereas your target may not be so lucky.

HigherMinion · Aug 16, 2011, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Xenomortis

You take and deal the same amount of damage in a shorter time frame; a Warrior can usually afford that whereas your target may not be so lucky.

This; and you, as the attacker, can still stop attacking whenever you want. I never saw a problem with IP, just don't attack the necro that cast it on you.