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Ghost Dog · Oct 12, 2009, 11:48 PM // 23:48

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

assassinating RA where you dont know wtf you're gonna get and being successful at it (the reason [alongside fun] i did it so long and found no need for anything else) is awesome.

You found no reason to use anything other than a sin because they are cheap and easy.

You think blinding is cheap.

Sankt Hallvard · Oct 12, 2009, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

look at the gladiators in ancient Rome. they didnt have lame shit in the Colosseum like the examples i mentioned, they were RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOIN BRUTAL. it's players with a mentality similar to theirs who should be called gladiators. TO KILL FAGS.

Where do you draw your inspiration from? Did you just see the movie gladiator? If so, you may have noticed that they also used lions(or tigers?) and fags driving chariots with swords sticking out of the rims. That shit is OP and lame shit like nothing else. Those lions gnawing on Maximus' back represent Faintheartedness/Empathy for disrupting his offense and those fags on the chariots represent lolsins that can shadowstep to you directly and mash their chain only to drive away like the cowards that they are.

Also like the guy here awarding me Bear Points is pointing out: The colosseum didn't feature ninjas. There is nothing brave or manly about a sin, the honorable romans would thumbs-down the ninja for sure.

@ Karla: I had no idea you would reply with such a wall of text. :-P However, I need my beauty sleep now. Will start working on your text tomorrow.

Sankt Hallvard · Oct 13, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

monking where you're sure to have a guy who can rupt enemy offense, a guy who can lineback, and a support guy (FF+PS+gayhex/drawcond blindbot before/whatever others) is quite unimpressive.

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example: the 4 ele RTL spike is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin BRUTAL, even if i lose to it after getting to TA from RA i respect it and say gg (i do say "lol fail" if i win tho).

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Surely you see the logical fallacy?

You find a team that has to disrupt offense by watching positioning(close range for flight time, reflex/predict the right skills), know when to lineback and when to push for kills, weaponswap/draw the right conditions/avoid interrupts/send them to the proper target unimpressive.

While at the same time you are impressed by a team setup that lays down a few spirits, runs into range and runs their fingers from left to right on the keyboard? I realise this appeals to the assassin nature in you, but come on! I've given you credit for running emp removal on your sin(unlike pretty much everyone else here). Give me some hope and tell me that you didn't mean it to come out like this?

Lux Aeterna · Oct 13, 2009, 03:52 AM // 03:52

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

There is nothing brave or manly about a sin

Actually there is an unwritten rule among sins that, when on opposite teams, they must always 1v1 each other.
This is definitely brave and manly, also I bet you couldn't beat Wastrel's Collapse with a 6 attack no defense WotA build.

X Cytherea X · Oct 13, 2009, 05:57 AM // 05:57

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You're known to quit any party that's not remotely balanced. Fair enough in itself (saves time don't it?) but true Gladiators didn't get to pick their battles.

you have a point, but if i were a gladiator i would let the weak and wimpy guy get killed and team up with the relatively stronger/smarter guy. my test of a party's strength is not if it has a monk but if it can kill a party with a decent monk. it may or may not have a monk.

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Where do you draw your inspiration from? Did you just see the movie gladiator? If so, you may have noticed that they also used lions(or tigers?) and fags driving chariots with swords sticking out of the rims. That shit is OP and lame shit like nothing else. Those lions gnawing on Maximus' back represent Faintheartedness/Empathy for disrupting his offense and those fags on the chariots represent lolsins that can shadowstep to you directly and mash their chain only to drive away like the cowards that they are.

uh no, chariots, lions and tigers are brutal and totally sweet. what would be gay is if there was a guy throwing oil on Maximus' face or something like that.

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Also like the guy here awarding me Bear Points is pointing out: The colosseum didn't feature ninjas. There is nothing brave or manly about a sin, the honorable romans would thumbs-down the ninja for sure.

i bet there were some gladiators who were pretty agile.. and of course it's not physically possible irl but if they could shadowstep they would, and that wouldnt decrease their manliness.

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You find a team that has to disrupt offense by watching positioning(close range for flight time, reflex/predict the right skills), know when to lineback and when to push for kills, weaponswap/draw the right conditions/avoid interrupts/send them to the proper target unimpressive.

While at the same time you are impressed by a team setup that lays down a few spirits, runs into range and runs their fingers from left to right on the keyboard? I realise this appeals to the assassin nature in you, but come on! I've given you credit for running emp removal on your sin(unlike pretty much everyone else here). Give me some hope and tell me that you didn't mean it to come out like this

yea you're one of the cooler posters here.

but i guess my logic can he hard to understand.
some teambuilds can be gimmicks and lame. (shovespike...because of the running around and the amount of healing, not the spike itself)
some teambuilds can be gimmicks but cool. (petway...if the support guy is not a full healer and has decent offensive support...OR 3 pets)
some teambuilds can be "skillful" but boring. (ta "balance")
some teambuilds can be "skilless" but kickass. (RTL spike)
some teambuilds can be skillful and manly. (something with assassin(s) and non-gay teammates)
some teambuilds can be skilless and gay. (hexway)

Chocobo1 · Oct 13, 2009, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

some teambuilds can be skillful and manly. (something with assassin(s) and non-gay teammates)

I lol'd.

12chars.

urania · Oct 13, 2009, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

monking where you're sure to have a guy who can rupt enemy offense, a guy who can lineback, and a support guy (FF+PS+gayhex/drawcond blindbot before/whatever others) is quite unimpressive.

assassinating RA where you dont know wtf you're gonna get and being successful at it (the reason [alongside fun] i did it so long and found no need for anything else) is awesome.

other characters that embody the spirit of the Ancient Roman Gladiators and are thus worthy to have the title in my eyes are... offensive warriors (yea they're brave but dumb), dervishes, rangers, spear paras..(and guess what im not totally biased against casters).. spike necs, spike mesmers, spike eles.

example: the 4 ele RTL spike is RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOin BRUTAL, even if i lose to it after getting to TA from RA i respect it and say gg (i do say "lol fail" if i win tho).

you build up to play vs optimal teams of equal or higher skill level, so u bring every means you think is necessary to be up to the task.
linebacking is not the only thing (good) warriors will do - its highly dependent on the situation and the whole build setup (2 warriors and a ranger usually means one of the warrs is hammer and linebacks, with the other 2 players bashing on their defense)

i can play a monk or a mesmer in RA and be just as successful as you (think you) are, but it frankly doesnt mean much.
lol at ur term "offensive warriors" - once again, the term "offensive" is highly dependent on the situation you're in at that particular moment. its more a play style/strategy than a characteristic of a particular character.

btw, for the future reference rather dont mention Rome or gladiators, it makes you look even funnier. unless you want to entertain us some more, that is.

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Originally Posted by Sankt Hallvard

The colosseum didn't feature ninjas. There is nothing brave or manly about a sin, the honorable romans would thumbs-down the ninja for sure.

@ Karla: I had no idea you would reply with such a wall of text. :-P However, I need my beauty sleep now. Will start working on your text tomorrow.

i think u just popped his bubble.

i didnt plan on making such a lengthy reply either, haha.
lets just say it came along while i was writing.

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

you have a point, but if i were a gladiator i would let the weak and wimpy guy get killed and team up with the relatively stronger/smarter guy. my test of a party's strength is not if it has a monk but if it can kill a party with a decent monk. it may or may not have a monk.
uh no, chariots, lions and tigers are brutal and totally sweet. what would be gay is if there was a guy throwing oil on Maximus' face or something like that.
i bet there were some gladiators who were pretty agile.. and of course it's not physically possible irl but if they could shadowstep they would, and that wouldnt decrease their manliness.

there's only one point, and that is that gladiators are something completely different from assassins, and the fact you even think of comparing them on any kind of level shows u dont have ur facts set straight.
the only wimp here is you.

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

yea you're one of the cooler posters here.

but i guess my logic can he hard to understand.
some teambuilds can be gimmicks and lame. (shovespike...because of the running around and the amount of healing, not the spike itself)
some teambuilds can be gimmicks but cool. (petway...if the support guy is not a full healer and has decent offensive support...OR 3 pets)
some teambuilds can be "skillful" and highly enjoyable. (ta "balance")
some teambuilds can be "skilless" but kickass. (RTL spike)
some teambuilds can be skillless and wimpy. (something with assassin(s) and non-gay teammates)
some teambuilds can be skilless and gay. (hexway)

he is giving u the benefit of doubt, so i can imagine u like him over others who dont.
fixed some parts of the post for u btw.
i reckon ure "a borderline outcast", considering how much u on one side detest team play and coordination, and yet u say things like: "[I] team up with the relatively stronger/smarter guy" - well guess what, mr troll - in TA and gvg you "team up" with equally strong and smart guys to beat other similar teams, surprise surprise! wouldnt it be great if u could beat all those "manly" builds 24/7?

btw, the typical team setup with sins in TA is dual monk (!!) dual sin build with 1 coward sin and one backbreaker sin or dual monk/monk+necro, frustration mesmer and 5 rupts and coward sin (monk train) setup. so according to ur definitions that build is on one side "skillful and manly" (or in the right version: skillles and wimpy) because it involves ur beloved sins, but on the other side gay/skilless/lame because it involves hexers and/or multiple monks.

last but not least, describing about something as "manly" or generally talk about "manliness" in an online mmorpg is hilarious and worrying, and not far apart from the honor talk. you've got problems, bud.
now, u gonna stop being a small big troll after we gave u the highly desired attention u were obviously needing?

Chocobo1 · Oct 13, 2009, 09:39 AM // 09:39

^Protip: Cytherea is a known troll.

emuking · Oct 13, 2009, 01:00 PM // 13:00

the main issue with karla is that she is a bitch

X Cytherea X · Oct 13, 2009, 01:22 PM // 13:22

- something successful is not necessarily manly.

- gladiators were people who fought with epic brutality, so although gw assassins (and other deserving builds) are not literally exactly those in ancient rome, the title should be given to they who fight with the same mentality.

- i do not detest teamplay/coordination, and preferring relatively stronger/smarter allies in RA does not go against my ideology. i only detest skills/players/teams that are gay at the core.

- there is manliness at the player level and manliness at the team level. so yes your examples are part gay and part manly. but since assassins are awesome, their manliness kinda makes up for the rest of the team's gayness.

- manliness/honor in an mmorpg may seem pointless to some, but these are definitely very real elements that are the driving force behind truly elite players.

urania · Oct 13, 2009, 02:24 PM // 14:24

thank you for those gems of wisdom, mr. manly man-sin-troll.

believe it or not, but i found a common trait between u and a gladiator (see bold text)..
"... and their value as entertainers was commemorated in precious and commonplace objects throughout the Roman world."
"...gladiator games provided their sponsors with extravagantly expensive but effective opportunities for self-promotion while offering cheap, exciting entertainment to their clients." [taken from Wikipedia]

so, please, entertain us some more. ure a valuable (even if cheap, keke) tool in preserving our fun in a dying game, even if its only on forums.
judging from ur posts, u havent even reached the age to fit the "manly man" requirement, and u think u have got the mentality already. that IS pathetic and ironic.
oh, and u still got problems. bork bork

on a side note, if you want real brutality, read Berserk (the manga).

Sankt Hallvard · Oct 13, 2009, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by urania

its often considered that ranks gained by abuse of various broken game mechanisms, [...] are less deserved, or rather, dont quite "show player's actual skill"

Agreed. What I meant was the title itself, not any respect that may be connected with it. As you admit yourself the title is not (necessarily) connected to player skill. I think it would be easier to explain this by the champion title: It takes a lot of work and coordination(skill) just to get into champ range, let alone get a decent rank. The exceptions are outright glitches and gimmicks being (ab)used, say Bloodspike. I don't think I need to explain how playing bloodspike is less "deserving" of the title than everything else. It still takes some coordination and dedication to farm, it's also a build favored by Anet, so any rank they farm is thus "deserved" in a sense. Which brings me to my next point.

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I have 3+ years of playing in balanced team behind me, what does shindy have? a few years of pure RA-only play.

Right. I stand by what I said you both "deserve" your glad ranks, I don't judge either of you based on your glad rank or any other title. I must also state for the record that I have only played against you once, and only with shindy once. That's not nearly enough for me to make any kind of assessment on "player skill". That being said I hold it highly probable that you with extensive TA experience have a far greater grasp of the game/individual skill than someone limited to a single profession in RA. In this view you command more respect and would be more "deserving" of a title supposed to reflect that difference in skill. My point here is that there is no direct link between the glad title("deserve") and respect/admiration. To make myself absolutely clear, though, I stress that using you and shindy is an example only - I do not mean to bash on or inflate anyone's ego.

Hmm.. actually your post is so gargantuan I'll reply to it in small portions over the coming days so we have wood for the fireplace/food for the troll to keep this thread warm.

snaek · Oct 13, 2009, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by x cytherea x

manliness/honor in an mmorpg may seem pointless to some, but these are definitely very real elements that are the driving force behind truly elite players.

i seriously don't understand what makes a sin manlier than a war, or even a derv. when taking any kind of damage they generally kite the most. how is that manly? a war simply shrugs off the damage due to his high armour (and cancels his frenzy if an axe build), and a derv usually has at least 1 enchant for self-heal/defense. these hit and run tactics are one the least manliest things you can do. also you mention honour? ganking unsuspecting victims, really? assassins have been mentioned to resemble ninjas; sorry, ninjas are not honorable, samurai are. seriously, get these delusions of manliness and honour out of your head.

Omgopolis · Oct 13, 2009, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

but i guess my logic can he hard to understand.

Not so much. Pretty much anything that keeps you from pushing redbars down is gay, right? Enjoy your manly pro RA sin garbage

IninefingersI · Oct 13, 2009, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by X Cytherea X

- something successful is not necessarily manly.

- gladiators were people who fought with epic brutality, so although gw assassins (and other deserving builds) are not literally exactly those in ancient rome, the title should be given to they who fight with the same mentality.

- there is manliness at the player level and manliness at the team level. so yes your examples are part gay and part manly. but since assassins are awesome, their manliness kinda makes up for the rest of the team's gayness.

- manliness/honor in an mmorpg may seem pointless to some, but these are definitely very real elements that are the driving force behind truly elite players.

Gladiators were also unducated slaves and prisoners. Popular culture, primarily Hollywood, has glamorized them to the point where their icon is almost unrecognizable compared to actuality. Nobody in their right mind would want to be a gladiator any more than they would want to be field slave on a cotton plantation.

There is absolutely nothing manly or honorable about an assassin. Quite the opposite, actually. If warriors were the lion of the battlefield, the assassin would be the hyena. I'll throw you a bone and call them a "truly elite" hyena.

Bobby2 · Oct 13, 2009, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by IninefingersI

Gladiators were also unducated slaves and prisoners. Popular culture, primarily Hollywood, has glamorized them to the point where their icon is almost unrecognizable compared to actuality. Nobody in their right mind would want to be a gladiator any more than they would want to be field slave on a cotton plantation.

Not entirely true. Gladiators, like modern athletes, enjoyed a degree of star status. Consensus has it even some free men aspired to fame through gladiator combat.

I laughed at the hyena comparison. I'd have picked 'vulture' myself.

Request to move this to Off-Topic?

EDIT: ok then. Kat is hot.

Earth · Oct 13, 2009, 06:56 PM // 18:56

This is a discussion you've had for 10 times now, you know what's gonna come out of it, so just quit it. Get this thread back on track.

Mad Lord of Milk · Oct 14, 2009, 01:59 AM // 01:59

Old build STILL GOT IT

Warrior/Paragon

12+1+1 Strength
12 Spear Mastery

Flail
Barbed Spear
Maiming Spear
Blazing Spear
Stunning Strike
Lion's Comfort
Enraging Charge
Resurrection Signet

Maim the melees, Stun the casters. Cover up with Barbed/Maiming if needed. Furious/Silencing sets

Mad Lord of Milk · Oct 20, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

ho-kay then

Mesmer/Elementalist

11 Earth Magic
10+1+1 Fast Casting
10+1 Inspiration

Lyssa's Aura
Ebon Hawk
Stoning
Ash Blast
Ether Feast
Kinetic Armor
Earth Attunement
Resurrection Signet

Get 40 HSR

Bobby2 · Oct 20, 2009, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Hah, I ran pretty much the same for a while. Lots of lols, shame it dies against ench removal.