Curse

Renowned Spartan · Oct 11, 2012, 11:07 PM // 23:07

HigherMinion · Oct 12, 2012, 06:07 AM // 06:07

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

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I'm guessing the team with the henchies lost?

Missing HB · Oct 12, 2012, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Only thing is that it shouldn't interfer and ruin the fun of real players. There will always be cheaters anyway, but however here, real players cannot do ANYTHING..

Real players make syncers stop, syncers reap reward, that is PvP. I don't see any real diference with the botting experience here, which was banned some time ago.

Plus, the joke is that those syncers are in addition trolling real players( verbal abuse, ask them to let them sync, etc..). Basically, last time i managed to find players we decided to just beat the second account team in UW, and left right after so that guys in halls don't get a match. Then i received 3 whispers saying " wtf are you doing " , " you're a *** " , etc..
I also got someone who paid me 5 ectos to stop spamming looking for players in RA..

Bit off topic costume brawl and snowball will probably be used as a way to sync/farm skillz title for those players..

cantalus · Oct 12, 2012, 09:33 AM // 09:33

urge everyone to watch the top and bottom halls matches

ignore this if the most blatant cheating doesn't get you down

Missing HB · Oct 12, 2012, 11:34 AM // 11:34

Incredible. Well, i just logged to watch these matchs( i guess you refer to these ones) and this is really pathetic.

I guess it's a clear proof that blue team is syncing when the third team ( the one with 7 henchs) is CONSTANTLY attacking the second one, making the match basically 16v8( plus one blue guy isn't moving when yellow team is ). End joke is the top match : blue even managed to lose on a capture point.

And what is red team reward for winning ? No more opponents. Unbeliveable really.

Forgot to add : last time, we had someone who picked the relic and never dropped it. It was in fact one second account who joined our party. Pretty hilarous and fair isn't it ?

cantalus · Oct 12, 2012, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

And what is red team reward for winning ? No more opponents. Unbeliveable really.

wealth and ego, control of sigils i guess. and since i was told later that one of them has 12 alt accounts and has synced codex10 i assume rank means something to him/her

after they won, the lead emoted a tiger, so, perhaps heading very slowly for a bird

Renowned Spartan · Oct 12, 2012, 03:46 PM // 15:46

Yep, they synced about 4-5 wins in Halls before getting ganked. I will sometimes see teams forming just to gank the syncers out.

I doubt he/she is going for a bird because it would take at least a few months, probably more to accumulate the fame even at the best case scenario for someone with a tiger (r11).

This could all be solved with a 4v4 format implemented, bring down the amount of maps, keep fame but adjust it to equal out prior 8v8 format and keep halls drops. Right now cheating is being rewarded.

I am r9, 350 fame from r10. While I wish I could get r12, it does not seem to be feasible given the state of the game. Please ANet, do something and don't just sit back and watch.

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And to add, sometimes they will put in multiple teams or time it so that if someone does come to gank, the people controlling alts can force a 3 way in Halls and have a 2-1 advantage. Essentially, the team that's going in there to gank cheaters out ends up having to fight 16v8.

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Originally Posted by HigherMinion

I'm guessing the team with the henchies lost?

You got it.

Missing HB · Oct 13, 2012, 08:15 AM // 08:15

But with a 4v4 situation, the problem is that it will be even easier to sync, whereas i'm not really convinced there would be more players.

I believe if there were 4 players wanting to play together sometimes, they would go try to beat syncers in Codex or try to GvG with 4 humans + 4 henchs( once again, in order to beat syncers), but i rarely ever see that on observer, nor in codex where there isn't any party forming.

I don't know if you remember last year on snowball events. They added a 4v4 mode that was abused and cheated 24/7 ( and literaly 24/7, not saying this to exagerate) whilst it rarely ever had real players and snowballs AT's usually consisted of 5 real guilds, rest being afkers/ second accounts reaping rewards. It will probably be even worse this year.

Your idea " might " have some changes on really short term, but on the long term, cheaters will be even more rewarded and real players will stop bothering :
- most halls are 1v1, but you know these guys will make more teams entering ( since only 4 players will be required) and many halls will turn into 1v1v1 , thus 8v4

That's why i said to just allow hench parties to go in :
- fair players can do anything ( go alone or with 2-3-4-... players if they want to)
- fair players can play when they want to and beat syncers when they want to as well( or at least do something)
- only 1 man needed at worse( so easy activity...), so easy activity...
- the code already exists since it happened in the past..

I might be boring saying everythime " add henchs add heroes" but this is the most realistic solution in my opinion to do and to make these cheaters stop, while keeping the fun for all fair players

Renowned Spartan · Oct 13, 2012, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Never thought of it that way. It probably would just become a codex mess. Henchies would be a better idea..and I took a hiatus so I wasn't around for snowball events. Left in 08 and just got back.

sun strike · Oct 14, 2012, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Your knowledge of how game mechanics works seems to be terribly flawed. The skills that we have in place today are not solely for the 8v8 format. By that flawed logic, RA would have been toast years ago. TA's demise and subsequent deletion was not a result of ineptness regarding skill balance but rather the issue of having two arenas rewarding the same thing, glad points. Naturally, the grab four and go format in RA was more popular and won out.

ANet has said that they will continue to make changes in PvP so long as the player base is supported. As shown with the most recent Ele skill balance, there still ARE people caring about the state of PvP and a large amount expressing interest in reviving HA....so I'm not sure where you are getting the whole 'what makes you think they will bother to update now?' type attitude. Try signing on the game before you say things that just aren't true.
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terrible flawed?
you truly are a newfgt if you believe the skills are absolutely balanced.

TA's demise was due to shit skill balancing because everyone played the same builds and shitty skill balancing was the cause of it, there were only a couple of builds that were played in TA, dual thump, hexway, war ranger nec, some occasional spike builds because nothing else was viable, it got stale, but i guess you wouldn't have known.

only reason RA survived was because of the format and its 4v4 and you can randomly enter and engage in a fight instantly.

it isn't just skill balancing they need to do, they need to change formats, but i don't know why you are hoping for them to give guild wars >>1<< a big pvp update, because it will never happen to begin with, sorry to burst your bubble but the game is dead and the people left playing the format are all shitters trying to acquire rank12+ and think it still means something, which is absolutely sad.

cantalus · Oct 14, 2012, 11:59 AM // 11:59

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Originally Posted by sun strike

and the people left playing the format are all shitters trying to acquire rank12+ and think it still means something, which is absolutely sad.

or people like me who have a phoenix and just like the game, i don't think it matters, i've got a real life for that, but insulting people seems kinda overly angry, stay calm take a deep breath, and just let it all go.

don't post here if you don't play the game, don't post here if you can't control your fingers, don't come here at all, go to qq and entertain yourself there.

Missing HB · Oct 14, 2012, 01:14 PM // 13:14

Skill balance has nothing to do with it. As long as builds are more or less fair, even if it's always same builds, there should be activity. I'm sorry, but last MAT's i observed consisted of 90% guilds running EXACTLY the same profesions and builds, what's the point then ??

Like i said, i don't have a big problem with syncers in theory, as long as they leave me alone. Unfortunately, these don't let me play plus are usually flaming/insulting.

A few minutes ago in RA, we lost to a team with 4 earth eles. I had in my team a monk from a syncing guild which was spamming guardian on me for no reason. I didn't say anything because i don't believe there's a point doing so. I said in local " thanks for ruining my fun" and our monk said " you have shit bar and shit armor , pz out " ...

If they need to do something, the new generation of gamers in this game also really should calm down and should stay quiet being happy that they are already able to cheat and reap rewards...

sun strike · Oct 14, 2012, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by cantalus

or people like me who have a phoenix and just like the game, i don't think it matters, i've got a real life for that, but insulting people seems kinda overly angry, stay calm take a deep breath, and just let it all go.

don't post here if you don't play the game, don't post here if you can't control your fingers, don't come here at all, go to qq and entertain yourself there.

hey nerd, just because im using the word shitter doesn't mean i am angry, maybe you should stop taking the word to the heart because maybe you are part of the shitters left playing the game, hey?

As for saying skill balancing has nothing to do with the games demise is being absolutely ignorant.

the game was much more balanced back in prophs and factions, there was a shitload more variety, which is kinda ironic since we've had nightfall and eotn(population decreasing) released and only select team builds are played. good skill balancing? i don't think so.

And if anet gave a shit about the state of the game they obviously would have banned the syncers.

its almost like saying the newer pokemons released are better than the first couple of originals, its not, most people like the originals untouched.

cantalus · Oct 15, 2012, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by sun strike

hey nerd, just because im using the word shitter doesn't mean i am angry, maybe you should stop taking the word to the heart because maybe you are part of the shitters left playing the game, hey?

As for saying skill balancing has nothing to do with the games demise is being absolutely ignorant.

the game was much more balanced back in prophs and factions, there was a shitload more variety, which is kinda ironic since we've had nightfall and eotn(population decreasing) released and only select team builds are played. good skill balancing? i don't think so.

And if anet gave a shit about the state of the game they obviously would have banned the syncers.

its almost like saying the newer pokemons released are better than the first couple of originals, its not, most people like the originals untouched.

don't disagree with your points at all, however, i think i made mine clear too, you're angry, you randomly insult, it amuses me, but i think your just a bit over emotional for communicating, deep breath, let it go

not syncing, i don't need to, and i figure people who need to cheat are pathetic in the true sense of the word, and like you, they need to just realise their places, lose the anger, accept their limitations and move on, maybe they could play with you somewhere, some game

Renowned Spartan · Oct 15, 2012, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by sun strike

terrible flawed?
you truly are a newfgt if you believe the skills are absolutely balanced.

TA's demise was due to shit skill balancing because everyone played the same builds and shitty skill balancing was the cause of it, there were only a couple of builds that were played in TA, dual thump, hexway, war ranger nec, some occasional spike builds because nothing else was viable, it got stale, but i guess you wouldn't have known.

only reason RA survived was because of the format and its 4v4 and you can randomly enter and engage in a fight instantly.

it isn't just skill balancing they need to do, they need to change formats, but i don't know why you are hoping for them to give guild wars >>1<< a big pvp update, because it will never happen to begin with, sorry to burst your bubble but the game is dead and the people left playing the format are all shitters trying to acquire rank12+ and think it still means something, which is absolutely sad.

Been playing this game since day beta. Please stop making a fool of yourself. (wait, too late for that with your ineptness when it comes to how skill balances and skills work). Thanks for the laugh though!

Hugh Manatee · Oct 19, 2012, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Ok, this is probably going to get flamed into oblivion, but it's just a brainstorm.

The most active PvP formats are the ones that require very little planning but have instant activity and payoff... and have random pairing, specifically RA, FA/JQ. Why not put the HA back to the 6v6 format, but have the teams paired up randomly, like in GW2 structured pvp. You click enter battle and get paired with 5 other guys, and you fight the opening battle VS the AI, this gives the randomly paired team a chance to identify bots or back out with no penalty(i always thought they should have added something similar to RA). Then it progresses normally.

It may reduce the overall skill and add a randomy lame element(as in the 4monk RA team or the FA 8 monk kurz D stack), but I bet it would get more activity then it does now as RA 2.0 then it does now... If they could script the team formation bot right they could even make the teams balanced: IE take a players rated damage and damage types or healing potency of the skillbar into account, limiting healers, damage dealers, support ect per team...

Same deal with codex, you're basically already pairing randomly with strangers or leftover guildies.

Even if they maybe made this a temporary thing, then put the team formation back, maybe it would get the format going...

Renowned Spartan · Oct 19, 2012, 08:13 PM // 20:13

That sounds like something I had suggested before. RA takes very little planning - that being said, integrate it's format, award fame, and spread out a "Halls" chest somewhere along the line in there with the same or similar drops and I think we have an idea to roll with.

sun strike · Oct 19, 2012, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

Been playing this game since day beta. Please stop making a fool of yourself. (wait, too late for that with your ineptness when it comes to how skill balances and skills work). Thanks for the laugh though!

you have been playing since beta, yet you pose as another person.

also you aren't even rank12, which doesn't mean anything anyways, but playing since beta and not being rank12+ is absolutely embarrassing.

Renowned Spartan · Oct 20, 2012, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by sun strike

you have been playing since beta, yet you pose as another person.

also you aren't even rank12, which doesn't mean anything anyways, but playing since beta and not being rank12+ is absolutely embarrassing.

I stopped playing HA competitively in 2008. Right around then, I got my priorities straight and got a college education. Like I said, stop embarassing yourself. 2k12'er on Guru posing as a vet..another baddie..you can't make this stuff up haha.

www.teamquitter.com - Maybe someone will give two damns about your opinion over there.

Thanks kiddo.

sun strike · Oct 20, 2012, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Renowned Spartan

I stopped playing HA competitively in 2008. Right around then, I got my priorities straight and got a college education. Like I said, stop embarassing yourself. 2k12'er on Guru posing as a vet..another baddie..you can't make this stuff up haha.

www.teamquitter.com - Maybe someone will give two damns about your opinion over there.

Thanks kiddo.

yeh, posing as a vet.... is that your only conclusion you came to because you are being called out for being a shitter?