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odly · Apr 21, 2008, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Very interesting stuff. Thanks for posting this.

PhoenixFive · Apr 21, 2008, 10:37 PM // 22:37

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Originally Posted by kerplonk

for starters i'd like to say very well done with the guide. now on to the good stuff.

my guild and i run a build with 3 terras, a similar solo sin, 2 ursans and an hb and sb, both with mimic for the other.

after the ursans clear to wastes, one terra takes off to wastes and the other 2 terras sneak up the mountain and out to plains. one of them heads to pits and the other clears plains then heads on to pools. the only problem we've had with this is uncontrollable bad spawns of behemoths which require the ursan group to follow up the mountain and clear the way, in which case they will do mountain first instead of vale.

after all groups are done, everybody ports to plains and a terra and the ursans take one side with the 2 terras standing on the other side in case one gets obby down. we havent been able to get a run under the one-con mark but usually get 30-40 min runs. XD

Actually we do care, not because u said u tried it but
1)You made an account just to post that lie
2)You have no screens of you OR your guild finishing that run
3)Trying to take credit for a build you had no contribution to
4)You're a pug who we took because we were short on guildies.
You will always be a pug and we know who you are in game, and u will no longer be doing thse 30-40 min clears with us, so gl with ur pugway team.
A big Thank You and Congrats to our team who made this build up it took us about 4 weeks to get from 56-35minutes but we did it and we did it in style, we have the screens, we are the members and we are the ORIGINAL creators AND runners of the build.

Th Fooster · Apr 22, 2008, 02:24 AM // 02:24

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFive

Actually we do care, not because u said u tried it but
1)You made an account just to post that lie
2)You have no screens of you OR your guild finishing that run
3)Trying to take credit for a build you had no contribution to
4)You're a pug who we took because we were short on guildies.
You will always be a pug and we know who you are in game, and u will no longer be doing thse 30-40 min clears with us, so gl with ur pugway team.
A big Thank You and Congrats to our team who made this build up it took us about 4 weeks to get from 56-35minutes but we did it and we did it in style, we have the screens, we are the members and we are the ORIGINAL creators AND runners of the build.

The majority of the group is NOT of this opinin expressed here.
and i dont want this thread to turn into a flame war because "recognition" is threatened.

Speak for youself sharna.. i do NOT care who steals our build. let them!
our entire purpose is to help the COMUNITY with our public posting of our builds.And not to be selfish elitists. As for insulting the guy that ran the same build did you ever consider that maybe he ran with us and smiply forgot WHO he was with? Not all pugs are noobs, and the point of our thread is to raise the level of play. YES i will take that guy again. and anyone else that wants to steal our build becauuse i am not interested in elitism. i would like a bigger playerbase to choose from so i dont have to wait 2 hours for one guy to come on!
dont let this thread turn into a flame war by speaking on behalf of the group with opinions that we do not all share and insulting people that were smart enough to see a good thing and use it.

PhoenixFive · Apr 22, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

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Originally Posted by Th Fooster

The majority of the group is NOT of this opinin expressed here.
and i dont want this thread to turn into a flame war because "recognition" is threatened.

Speak for youself sharna.. i do NOT care who steals our build. let them!
our entire purpose is to help the COMUNITY with our public posting of our builds.And not to be selfish elitists. As for insulting the guy that ran the same build did you ever consider that maybe he ran with us and smiply forgot WHO he was with? Not all pugs are noobs, and the point of our thread is to raise the level of play. YES i will take that guy again. and anyone else that wants to steal our build becauuse i am not interested in elitism. i would like a bigger playerbase to choose from so i dont have to wait 2 hours for one guy to come on!
dont let this thread turn into a flame war by speaking on behalf of the group with opinions that we do not all share and insulting people that were smart enough to see a good thing and use it.

Well that did turn it into a flame war, i am speaking on behalf of part of the group who feel this way. yes i feel we do deserve recognition for it and why shouldnt we its a damn good build.
I didnt mention names and the people coming on the runs is to be a group decision and the majority of the group including myself do not appretiate fame stealers. each to their own fooster i didnt mention u in that previous post and i also never once mention noobs. i said pugs. if it wasnt about recognition, delete your guide, delete bleys' guide and wait for another guild to post it up and claim it for their own, no you wouldnt like it. And if he was someone who ran with us and forgot who we are he must have amnesia to forget his own guild as he states, and if u have amnesia or elziemers how could you remeber the build down to the very detail? i wasnt speaking on behalf of our whole group simply making a very true statement which part of our group agree with i didnt degrade any1 and didnt mention names. and before u say we dont want recognition take a leaf out of your own book and speak for yourself. so before u start digging your hole i suggest you think about how deep u want it to be.

Th Fooster · Apr 22, 2008, 08:17 AM // 08:17

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Originally Posted by PhoenixFive

Well that did turn it into a flame war, i am speaking on behalf of part of the group who feel this way. yes i feel we do deserve recognition for it and why shouldnt we its a damn good build.
I didnt mention names and the people coming on the runs is to be a group decision and the majority of the group including myself do not appretiate fame stealers. each to their own fooster i didnt mention u in that previous post and i also never once mention noobs. i said pugs. if it wasnt about recognition, delete your guide, delete bleys' guide and wait for another guild to post it up and claim it for their own, no you wouldnt like it. And if he was someone who ran with us and forgot who we are he must have amnesia to forget his own guild as he states, and if u have amnesia or elziemers how could you remeber the build down to the very detail? i wasnt speaking on behalf of our whole group simply making a very true statement which part of our group agree with i didnt degrade any1 and didnt mention names. and before u say we dont want recognition take a leaf out of your own book and speak for yourself. so before u start digging your hole i suggest you think about how deep u want it to be.

I wrote the guide to answer the countless PM about terra tanking.
Bleys wrote the guide in order to create a larger playerbase for us to choose
from when we run this build to benefit the COMINUTY(theres that word again)
You are the only one that i have seen upset about the recognition.
And no i wouldnt care if some guild stole it and claimed it as thier own because there are alot of pugs out there that ran it with US FIRST, and our screenshots predate and claims to our build.
Let the quality stand on its own and speak for youself here when you voice your "righteous" opinion.

Now if you want a falme war start a new thread dont dirty up bleys's well written guide he has here. He spent alot of time on it. OR QQ in game at me and the rest of the group.leave it off this post.
Either that or take your ball and go home.
Think long and hard about thretening me about diging a hole.your the drama queen here. now stop

Blue Banner · Apr 22, 2008, 02:33 PM // 14:33

I have a question. If one terra is clearing smites/coldfires as the other two are doing bone pits & the dryder queen, who takes the Ice King quest for that terra? My guess is the sin after the team has completed Vale... Then the sin would do his thing against the keeper of souls/vengeful aataxes while the team did the Demon Assassin quest?? Thanks!

Oh, and I'm glad that you all have worked in the 3rd Terra. We briefly noticed during our trial runs that a terra could have easily taken out those dryders for the dryder queen where as the team would sometimes struggle with over-aggro'ing in there. I'm glad you guys have worked out the kinks of this (especially Th Fooster - just saw that you updated your guide for this area to include the ward or I'm Unstoppable...saved us from learning this the hard way).

Th Fooster · Apr 22, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

You guessed it! the sin sneaks off and takes the quest in ice wastes then runs back to either start or comeplet unwanted guests, depending on if the main group is slowed. if the main group is slowed down for some reason and the sin has to wait.. he starts unwanted prematurley and kills his way to ice waste. if all is rolling smooth... he waits untill he knows the main group is safe. then he runs off takes quest fot ice king then comes back and starts uwanted. once the terra has completed the quest in the ice wastes... he then starts to run to th mountain and it times out htat he re joins the main group at this point and the sin is also there wtih unwanted completed. kills that last keeper of souls there and runs up the mountain proceeding to either chaos planes or the mountain quest to mimic ursan and kelp the group kill faster.

we will be updating this guide soon as you see this version only describs how to do it with only two terras.

PhoenixFive · Apr 22, 2008, 07:55 PM // 19:55

When working on the terra for pools as my main job for our clears, as fooster said having ward or Im unstoppable does help greatly,
However i have noticed that you dont NEED it, it can be come very tricky timing your skills around the charged's shock but it is doable.
So clearing through the pools taking for eg arcan echo for more dmg during plains/horsemen in place of ward isnt a set back provided your obby isnt interupted or itl spell your doom!
The only other problem i encounterd was during fighting the queen the obsidian guardians kd with hits apparently, sometimes they do and sometimes they dont while not using ward so i am yet to discover why their kds happen. When testing i ran with ward in my bar for safety but used it as little as possible. The only suggestion i have for fighting queen without ward is to stand to the side of the room after pulling her into the doorway so sliver still hits her, but the behemoths attacks are blocked. Try it out if your keen for a little more damage in your bar, but try it with ward in you bar incase you agro 9 charged at a time :P

chitown girl · Apr 26, 2008, 12:41 AM // 00:41

nice build...i'll have to try it with my guild thanks

FiftyFiveD · Apr 27, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

u guys rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kurenai Fire Sensei · May 03, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

44 mins for my team but we could beat your 2 terra's team record

When we will have a 40-41mins uw clear we will start the 3 terra's team. Hf

Th Fooster · May 03, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Well then! i am glad to see there are some that took our methods seriously enough to begin mastering them.I find it very encouraging as i have been showing several guild modified versions of this method because skilled as asassins are hard to find. but we did a 2 terra 39 minutes clear the other day with no asassin. if we had the asassin we would have hit the 35 minute mark for sure.

remeber my chalenge still stands.. 10 k per team member to the one that bears the current record with more than one source of authentic proof.

The guilds that are begining to master these tactics are now starting to reap the benefits after the frustrating learning curve and open that chest in under an hour every time.pretty sooon all you will see in toa are asassins and terra tanks and a few monks!

Lord Bleyz · May 05, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by Kurenai Fire Sensei

44 mins for my team but we could beat your 2 terra's team record

When we will have a 40-41mins uw clear we will start the 3 terra's team. Hf

Congratulations, 44 minutes is very impressive. Shortly before starting our 3 Terra Build, we were on track to beating our 42 min time but we had a Terra ,I will not name any names, who made a mistake and cost us the run. But these times are all in good fun.

My teams original goal with this method was to do UW HM in under an hour, we've more then met that goal, and I'm glad I was able to share this with the community. Very soon I'm going to write up a complete guide to UW HM with the 3 Terra method, as it is a far superior build. Our current record is 29 minutes, on 1 con set.

PS. Be sure to get multiple screen shots when you beat our records

Mordiego · May 06, 2008, 08:55 AM // 08:55

anxiously waiting for the updated guide, Bleyz and thnx again for your (not taking the glory away from Foos, Sharna, Tis and the rest of the method's developers) great contribution. Glad you decided to make the build public so more ppl would benefit from your discoveries.
Keep it up and C U again in UW

Th Fooster · May 06, 2008, 09:57 AM // 09:57

I am seeing even pugs try half assed versions (sort of) whith this method.
2 terra tank builds are more and more common now, and more and more teams are starting to realize how perfectly things time out when you send 1 terra off to smties right away while the team clears out town and does the quest there(including escort of souls) all at once. This is becoming common place now as i have been in many pugs that use this method. very few guilds have actually pulled of a sucessful full split the way we do it, but it shows our methods posted are slowly having thier effect, even though most teams clear in an hour flat, its better taht the one time average of at LEAST 90 minuts. As for the glory, bahh. it takes all 8 of us to actually pull this off.Each individual player on that team is able to stand tall on thier own two feet with thier individual skills,
and me and bleys are simply they guys that wrote it all down.We dont play together exclusivley anymore, but our methods are spreading out to the comunity as intended. my chalenge still stands. And i personaly at least am already working on new ways once again and working out the bugs, and my terra tanking guide is being updated once again soon.
i am absolutley positive taht teh true fastest time is 20 minutes.This is the ultimete goal but for now ill go or 1 minute at a time. 28 minutes is still few seconds faster than 29 minutes.. and so on...
one minute at a time its posible to shave it down.

Kurenai Fire Sensei · May 07, 2008, 05:46 PM // 17:46

New record for us 43 mins, but the cool thing is that this time we are whitout assa.

Kurenai Fire Sensei · May 15, 2008, 05:31 PM // 17:31

Ok next time we will beat your 3terra uw clear record. XD
Here new 2 terras uw clear record (whit assa this time) 39 mins

Sinister Syndicate · May 25, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

[UuwC] Guild and couple Others not in guild Did a 32min UW HM Clear!

Hey Fooster I'm working on my Sin for the other build. Well I used this one I found on some webby!

Kurenai Fire Sensei · May 26, 2008, 02:25 PM // 14:25

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Originally Posted by Sinister Syndicate

[UuwC] Guild and couple Others not in guild Did a 32min UW HM Clear!

Hey Fooster I'm working on my Sin for the other build. Well I used this one I found on some webby!

That is a 3 terras team :-/

Btw 36 mins for us whit 2 terra and no assa..

Nilo · May 30, 2008, 11:14 PM // 23:14

we gained about 3 mins whitout the sin but now we need a sin for beat new records.
lf experienced sin rank 10 SS and rank 10 norn(we want try 2 terras build)

ign Nilo The Healer or Kurenai Fire Sensei.