Curse

Theli · Jan 04, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

Hey
Me and a friend we use this build for HM 8-man areas a lot, without any problem. Clearing any 8-man area, and HM dungeons without a problem (with a few modifications depending the dungeon).

Our builds are the followings:
[build prof=Warrior/Ritualist][Sever Artery][Gash][Dragon Slash][Sun and Moon Slash]["Save Yourselves!"][Flail]["For Great Justice!"][Asuran Scan][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Monk][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Nova][Animate Bone Minions][Blood of the Master][Putrid Bile][Protective Spirit][Aegis][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Putrid Bile][Weaken Armor][Suffering][Enfeebling Blood][Rip Enchantment][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Vengeful Weapon][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
[build prof=Ranger/Mesmer][Apply Poison][Broad Head Arrow][Epidemic][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot]["Finish Him!"][Natural Stride][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Monk][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Putrid Bile][Animate Shambling Horror][Remove Hex][Shield of Absorption][Aegis][Rebirth][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Monk][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Putrid Bile][Animate Shambling Horror][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Sorrow][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Vengeful Weapon][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Recovery][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]

Modifications:
Sometimes we remove the prot (not the MM) to add another curses necro.
or if the area is heavy physical we remove the N/Mo healer, for a curses necro with [Reckless haste][Meekness] and a second [Enfeebling Blood] instead of the healing skills.
Rend for Rip Ench sometimes is usefull.

I havent used a Discordway for 4-man Areas.
but I think it will be like the first 4 (im the wammo :P).

daze · Jan 05, 2009, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by Theli

Our builds are the followings:
[build prof=Warrior/Ritualist][Sever Artery][Gash][Dragon Slash][Sun and Moon Slash]["Save Yourselves!"][Flail]["For Great Justice!"][Asuran Scan][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Monk][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Death Nova][Animate Bone Minions][Blood of the Master][Putrid Bile][Protective Spirit][Aegis][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Putrid Bile][Weaken Armor][Suffering][Enfeebling Blood][Rip Enchantment][Death Pact Signet][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Vengeful Weapon][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Life][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]
[build prof=Ranger/Mesmer][Apply Poison][Broad Head Arrow][Epidemic][Distracting Shot][Savage Shot]["Finish Him!"][Natural Stride][Resurrection Signet][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Monk][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Putrid Bile][Animate Shambling Horror][Remove Hex][Shield of Absorption][Aegis][Rebirth][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Monk][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Putrid Bile][Animate Shambling Horror][Patient Spirit][Dwayna's Sorrow][Cure Hex][Resurrection Chant][/build]
[build prof=Necromancer/Ritualist][Discord][Signet of Lost Souls][Vengeful Weapon][Spirit Light][Mend Body and Soul][Protective Was Kaolai][Recovery][Flesh of My Flesh][/build]

Sure it works, and i bet it works well too. Probably wouldn't fly in FoW or other hex heavy areas with [[cure hex] being the only form of removal. Might just be my opinion but id rather throw in [feast for the dead][infuse condition][foul feast] on the MM instead of the prot skills. This would allow you to keep your attributes at more potent levels. But it works either way. And [blood of the master] is a bad idea when you have a potential of 30 minions.

The one curser that you have is plenty for the team. But i can see where you would want some extra help in hexes playing as a warrior primary. Honestly if you call targets correctly, you should have no trouble marking them with the multiple copies of [putrid bile] your [asuran scan] and the spammable hexes on the curser. With you marking enemies with [asuran scan] and your partner using [broad head arrow], you should be flying through mobs in record time. Your ranger buddy should be having no trouble keeping condition pressure. If you are really having trouble with the hex side of it, I wouldn't want you to remove [[dragon slash] if you really like it, but you may want to try putting both [asuran scan]and[assassins promise] on your bar. Then your necro hero could take a hex more useful than [suffering]. Like [barbs] or [shadow of fear].

Just as a side note, when i play as a warrior and have a ranger partner, i like to have the ranger bring [great dwarf weapon] and cast it on me. Have him try it sometime. I love it.

Theli · Jan 06, 2009, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Hex heavy and fow..are not a proble...even with 2 removals, sometimes we drop [patient spirit] for [dwayna's kiss], but hex removals on heroes are meh..they dont use it well.

for the MM it works well with those atributes, is not a problem...and [blood of the master] is not a problem, the potentials 30 minions is never reached, and if it is reached its only 65% health loss, and a heroe never use it during a battle, or when somebody aggro a foe, we never have a problem with that skill. + [infuse condition][foul feast][feast for the dead] are not 100% usefull, we have a great condi removal with both [mend body and soul] + [recovery] helps a lot..

[Suffering] I really like it cause is a long last aoe hex, and I usually micro it when I call Asuran scan on the same target...so all other foes are hexed, and usually with a condition for the Epidemic on the ranger., or a Craked / Weakness if the curses didnt use discrod on the first spike.

AP i dindnt like it too much, I prefer deal more damage to other targets.. plus the known SY spam thanks to DS is really helpful.

really there isnt a perfect discordway, anybody use it how they like, and if it works good, is fine.

Robbins · Jan 06, 2009, 05:10 AM // 05:10

A couple things look interesting to me. Like on the curses necro maybe [parasitic bond] instead of [defile defenses] faster recast and healing sense damage isn't really needed. This one I'm going to try. I'm wondering about [putrid flesh] being good in some skill slot. 1st it requires a minion - and some area's aren't going to have any, second it is a disease spreader and disease only affects fleshy creatures. Does anyone have more experience with this? Can anyone confirm that [blood of the master] actually heals minions that belong to a different hero than the ones created by the mm carrying [blood of the master] How important can [rip enchantment] be. Can’t you just kill the foe with discord spam? In pve are conditions generally worse than hexes. i.e. [Remove hex] or [extinguish] And I’m thinking of using [infuse condition] and [draw conditions] on my support necro instead of [putrid bile] and [remove hex] What do you all think? And please everyone post your discord builds.

daze · Jan 06, 2009, 06:40 AM // 06:40

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Originally Posted by Theli

Hex heavy and fow..are not a probable...even with 2 removals, sometimes we drop [patient spirit] for [dwayna's kiss], but hex removals on heroes are meh..they don't use it well.

Really the only place where hexes are nasty enough to warrant hex removal is FoW so that is what i build the heart of my discord team to work around. That way im confident that my team will be able to steamroll any other area. Even though proficient hex/condition removal is not needed, i still like to cover my bases. Maybe its just my meticulous nature to want to keep my enchantment area clean of debuffs.

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Originally Posted by Theli

for the MM it works well with those attributes, is not a problem...and [blood of the master] is not a problem, the potentials 30 minions is never reached, and if it is reached its only 65% health loss, and a hero never use it during a battle, or when somebody aggro a foe, we never have a problem with that skill. + [infuse condition][foul feast][feast for the dead] are not 100% useful, we have a great condi removal with both [mend body and soul] + [recovery] helps a lot..

When you are running a minion bomber build, still [feast for the dead] is a better choice of healing because it makes minions go boom faster. And [blood of the master] is not one of my favorite skills because my olias has kamakazeed himself a couple times with it. Lets say that you have 20 minions active on the field and he uses it. Well Olias just cut his health down by 45%. Now he is taking resources from the healers on the team and putting himself in jeopardy. Just prey that he doesn't use it twice before the healers waste spells on him.

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Originally Posted by Theli

[Suffering] I really like it cause is a long last aoe hex, and I usually micro it when I call Asuran scan on the same target...so all other foes are hexed, and usually with a condition for the Epidemic on the ranger., or a Cracked / Weakness if the curses didn't use discord on the first spike.

[[Suffering] is a decent cover hex because of AoE and the long duration of it. But aside from that it really does nothing to aid in battle. [shadow of fear] or [barbs] would at least provide support to synergy. Also with 6 discord heroes on the team, a 20-25 second hex is a bit of a waste because entire mobs will die in less time. Also [[suffering] only affects nearby foes which means one cast hits 2-3 enemies at a time. So for its purpose of just being a hex to prime discord, your [[asuran scan] would suffice.

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AP i didn't like it too much, I prefer deal more damage to other targets.. plus the known SY spam thanks to DS is really helpful.

Fair enough, to each his own. the only problem i ran in to when playing as a warrior on a discord team is the fact that enemies would be dead by the time i could swing my sword at them the first time. So i just decided to switch to a spear with [barbed spear][maiming spear] because i got tired of chasing an enemy to death. which my combo of [asuran scan][assassins promise][barbed spear][maiming spear][spear of fury] was enough to mark and kill any target.

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Originally Posted by Theli

really there isn't a perfect discordway, anybody use it how they like, and if it works good, is fine.

True, there isnt a perfect discordway, there is just a most balanced/optimal for all areas discordway. But you are right, discordway has a knack for being idiot proof so as long as you follow the backbone you can fill in the rest with really whatever you like and it will still work decently. Especially when using 6 discord heroes.

daze · Jan 06, 2009, 07:23 AM // 07:23

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