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Super Igor · Feb 19, 2009, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by Daesu

If you do that then you would run out of energy because the crappy discordway build in pvx doesn't even have SoLS, and you want to take out all the minions, which is your main SR factory, too?

Just go with Rayway.

lol you dont need sols when you can kill fast so stop being terrible. Maybe what you run needs it but then it fails.

Daesu · Feb 19, 2009, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

lol you dont need sols when you can kill fast so stop being terrible. Maybe what you run needs it but then it fails.

You kill fast because you had your minion SR factory machine, without it, you are going to have problems keeping up that kill speed in a tough fight.

Super Igor · Feb 19, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Daesu

You kill fast because you had your minion SR factory machine, without it, you are going to have problems keeping up that kill speed in a tough fight.

I kill fast because I kill fast, for Discord minions are icing on a cake - not a must have but good to have them. Ofc. you dont need minions and sols.

Daesu · Feb 20, 2009, 12:46 AM // 00:46

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

I kill fast because I kill fast, for Discord minions are icing on a cake - not a must have but good to have them. Ofc. you dont need minions and sols.

You still dont understand that you need energy to continue killing fast and in a tough fight even your restore healers can run low on energy. Without energy, your killing grinds to a halt. You should try testing it without minions and sols before you reply. Take your build to high level HM and just replace the minions with putrid like you suggested.

byteme! · Feb 20, 2009, 02:28 AM // 02:28

In all fairness. You really shouldn't need both SoLS and minions to fuel SR. 1 or the other should be sufficient enough. If you find your kill rate is slowing to a halt make a few changes so you can kill faster or more efficiently.

You could always toss blood ritual on "1" of your necroes instead of tossing SoLS on all "3" necroes, therefore freeing up slots for more pew pew.

Forgotton200 · Feb 20, 2009, 04:10 AM // 04:10

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In all fairness. You really shouldn't need both SoLS and minions to fuel SR. 1 or the other should be sufficient enough.

I see. I'll equip [signet of lost souls] because I'm running sabway, equip [putrid bile] and lose the minions, and make up the minion bomber with [putrid explosion]. I'm running [save yourselves] as well for extra defense to make up for the minion tanks.

As soon as I get unbanned, I'll try it out.

Daesu · Feb 20, 2009, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by byteme!

In all fairness. You really shouldn't need both SoLS and minions to fuel SR. 1 or the other should be sufficient enough.

He is suggesting no minions AND no SoLS. If you read what he said on post #16:

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Take Discord from pvx, get rid of all the minion crap give everyone a copy of putrid bile to make up for lack of minions exploding and u r winrar!

That pvx build doesn't have SoLS.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam

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If you find your kill rate is slowing to a halt make a few changes so you can kill faster or more efficiently.

You could always toss blood ritual on "1" of your necroes instead of tossing SoLS on all "3" necroes, therefore freeing up slots for more pew pew.

Since there are 3 minion skills to replace, it makes sense to have 3 SoLS. Bringing 1 BR would have a single point of failure.

Super Igor · Feb 20, 2009, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by Daesu

That pvx build doesn't have SoLS.

http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:Team_-_Discord_Spam

No it doesnt have SoLS because it has Minions, duh.

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Since there are 3 minion skills to replace, it makes sense to have 3 SoLS. Bringing 1 BR would have a single point of failure.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

Lourens · Feb 20, 2009, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by byteme!

In all fairness. You really shouldn't need both SoLS and minions to fuel SR. 1 or the other should be sufficient enough. If you find your kill rate is slowing to a halt make a few changes so you can kill faster or more efficiently.

You could always toss blood ritual on "1" of your necroes instead of tossing SoLS on all "3" necroes, therefore freeing up slots for more pew pew.

You dont need SoLS 13 soul reaping = 39 energy every 15 seconds = about 8 pips of energy regen

Daesu · Feb 20, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

No it doesnt have SoLS because it has Minions, duh.

Which you recommended to the OP, in post #16, to replace with putrid. So it would have no minions and no SoLS. And as I have said before, if you dont have enough energy, your fast killing would grind to a halt.

Super Igor · Feb 20, 2009, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by Daesu

Which you recommended to the OP, in post #16, to replace with putrid. So it would have no minions and no SoLS. And as I have said before, if you dont have enough energy, your fast killing would grind to a halt.

You gain energy from kills.

Omgopolis · Feb 20, 2009, 06:26 PM // 18:26

You really shouldn't need SoLS if you have minions running around, and you probably shouldn't need it even if you don't.

The only time I could see energy problems occurring with necros is if you had a bunch of splinter weapons flying around and blowing up mobs so fast that your heroes gain 30ish energy at once early in a fight, and soul reaping doesn't trigger for another 15 seconds or so. If that's the case though, then you're probably blowing up stuff so fast that you don't need to worry about running out of energy.

If you run out of energy because nothing is dying then you need moar damage.