Curse

Gabs88 · Mar 06, 2011, 07:52 PM // 19:52

In short, does anyone have some good ideas on how to make one?

Recuirements: It has to take good advantage of Great Dwarf Weapon, cause that will be on 24\7. And have some decent survivability.

Dervishes have the advantage of insane damage. But Warriors have increased knockdown time. Which when youre knocking down everything around you all the time, is a pretty neat party trick.

And yeah, im stuck. Cause while I can easely find something that works great i never escape the feeling that it's lacking. And tripchop which I used on warriors im having trouble getting good energy management with.

Olle · Mar 06, 2011, 08:25 PM // 20:25

What is your proffesion?
If your an rit, not only does your GDW last longer, but you can have Earthbind, witch will make your derv heroes as good as warrior Kd's
maybe make all have Avatar of grenth and Grenth's Aura, that will keep them from getting hurt to much.

pakhavit · Mar 06, 2011, 08:29 PM // 20:29

If you gonna run Warrior, go Warrior's Endurance.

I hate Adrenaline build because it takes too long. Same with Dervish, I rather spam 5e/10e Attack skill. The fight usually end in 10-20sec anyway

LifeInfusion · Mar 06, 2011, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Warriors aren't too great. You can't have a decent IAS other than Frenzy/Flail. Neither of those are viable on heroes. That's why the only vetted hero build for warriors is Warrior's Endurance + Burst of aggression, since Dwarven Battle Stance can't even be upkept without Dwarven Stability.

For assassins, without Critical Agility they're semi-squishy, pushing 80 armor with blessed or 85 with nightstalker. Also AI can't chain stuff (anything more than lead-offhand-dual) for crap.

For Dervishes, they can't use teardowns very well, so if you run teardowns only have enchantments you want torn down (i.e. don't use something like Faithful Intervention with Wearying strike). The benefit of the Dervish is you can get 70+15+10=105 armor with 10 Mysticism + 3 enchants, or 70+10+10=100 armor if you run blessed instead of windwalker. Since they can run an IAS and IMS at the same time they aren't at a disadvantage. If you run a Avatar, it usually works better with teardowns than something like Vow of Strength or Onslaught.

Bristlebane · Mar 06, 2011, 09:16 PM // 21:16

Perhaps 3 Avatar of Dwayna Dervishes, limited teardowns, with Mirage Cloak and Shields of Force. Then they would be self healing, heal each other incl any minions, good melee blocking and causing frequent AE knockdowns. Then send them for the ranged foes first with melee foes following so as ranged foes also get knocked down.

Aljasha · Mar 06, 2011, 10:00 PM // 22:00

I ran a 3 Avatar of Balthazar build and it was pretty fun in FoW.

turbo234 · Mar 06, 2011, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Warriors aren't too great. You can't have a decent IAS other than Frenzy/Flail.

eff that my heroes use frenzy. however i am a monk and can prot them. whenever i play with any other class warriors endurance with burst of agression.

Anaraky · Mar 06, 2011, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Personally I would get a MM and call it a day, but if you must go with a melee hero the only decent alternatives I know of is the aforementioned WE/BoA Warrior or Dwayna's Derv. Everything else seems horrible IMO.

IronSheik · Mar 06, 2011, 11:11 PM // 23:11

3 grenth dervishes with sand shards, rit hero with earthbind, smite hero with SoH

EDIT: Orders doesn't work with cold from grenth

Done and done

Owik Gall · Mar 06, 2011, 11:39 PM // 23:39

I'm shocked that no one placed Soldier's Stance into account for a warrior IAS. Though, I digress from most people. There's no real advantage of a KD/SY! spam build, anyway.

X Dr Pepper X · Mar 07, 2011, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Crippling Victory, Chilling Victory, Zealous Sweep, Heart of Fury, Sand Shards, Vow of Strength, Intimidating Aura, Res Sig

I use a physway hero set up with 2 more phys heroes, a MM, an Order of Vampirism Necro with Weaken Armor, Mark of Pain and Barbs, and 1 SoS rit with SW and Ancestor's.

I avoid teardown enchants because I cannot find a set up that heroes use well. Hopefully I can figure out a setup that works with Avatar of Balthazar well.

LifeInfusion · Mar 07, 2011, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Owik Gall

I'm shocked that no one placed Soldier's Stance into account for a warrior IAS. Though, I digress from most people. There's no real advantage of a KD/SY! spam build, anyway.

You need 15 tactics to have it up 100%. Even without that tactics spec, 70% uptime (5 downtime) is still lame (8-10 spec), since you need high tactics spec and an elite slot. You could probably argue for Soldier's Strike/Thrill of Victory w/ 12-13 tact (you "need" 12+1+1=14 weapon so the best you can get is 12+1 tactics without hurting your HP) but it's not nearly as good as Heart of Fury on a Dervish. And then you need "To the Limit!" which heroes can't use properly or "Fear me!", instead of Enraging Charge.

With 12/12/3 attribute split, your strength will be so low that you cannot run enraging charge or anything in strength (and forget about sentinel's insignias).

tl;dr: uses Elite slot , is in tactics, can't be upkept without a superior rune unless you gimp your weaponmastery, drops strength

Kunder · Mar 07, 2011, 02:37 AM // 02:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bristlebane

Perhaps 3 Avatar of Dwayna Dervishes, limited teardowns, with Mirage Cloak and Shields of Force. Then they would be self healing, heal each other incl any minions, good melee blocking and causing frequent AE knockdowns. Then send them for the ranged foes first with melee foes following so as ranged foes also get knocked down.

3 AoD Dervs is definitely the best I can think of. Only put in short duration enchants or ones that automatically are used up after a short period of time. Though they have bad AI individually, combined they are basically the same as an ER spamming HP on recharge and if they manage to knocklock multiple foes by pure chance positioning then many lols will be had.

Another thought is to use Rangers. AI isn't bad at all any more on Barrage/Volley (They spam it whenever possible), and remember that pets have a +33% damage boost that will apply to the GDW damage as well (+26 or 27 damage total)while being ridiculously durable. 2 Rangers with pets, using either barrage/volley/some spear build may be more manageable compared to the poor melee AI, while using less hero slots to boot. EDIT: another nice thing is they stand right next to you, allowing you to use EBSoH to buff your rangers while you are buffing your rangers.

pingu666 · Mar 07, 2011, 09:53 AM // 09:53

you can use assassins with critical barrage with pet aswell, or http://pvx.wikia.com/wiki/Build:R/A_Dagger_Pet_Ranger reversed on sin primary, swap a few skills about too