Curse

Marverick · Mar 07, 2011, 11:51 PM // 23:51

I've recently used this team to do a couple of HM missions and FoW and it's been very successful. Your first volley can wipe half the health off an entire mob, and Needling Shot spam kills survivors very quickly. 4x concussion shot shuts down casters nicely, and the AoE spam makes melee enemies run around a lot and not attack. Also everything is nice and ranged.

It was hard to fit all the skills needed into a 4-hero team, but now everything works out nicely.

The build:

You (Ranger/Warrior)
Ignite Arrows
Incendiary Arrows
Concussion Shot
Distracting Shot
Needling Shot
Triple Shot or IAS
"Save Yourselves!"
Ebon Battle Standard of Honor (need a high rank on this since most of the damage comes from it)

3x Ignite Arrows Rangers
Ignite Arrows
Incendiary Arrow
Concussion Shot
Distracting Shot
Needling Shot
Dual Shot
Heart of Fury
Resurrection Signet

1x Earth Elementalist (this slot is kinda variable and maybe be swapped out for things like a ranger mercenary, an MM bomber, a rit lord, a bow paragon or elementalist (lol), etc.)
Earth Attunement
Aura of Restoration
Glowstone
Churning Earth
Unsteady Ground
Ward Against Melee
Stone Daggers
Protective was Kaolai

1x Paragon that buffs stuff
Zealous Anthem
Anthem of Envy
"The Power is Yours!" / Expel Hexes
"They're on Fire!"
Anthem of Weariness
Anthem of Disruption
Aggressive Refrain
Signet of Return / Hex Eater Signet / Hexbreaker Aria

1x orders/heal Necromancer/Ritualist
Order of Pain
Dark Fury
Xinrae's Weapon
Mend Body and Soul
Spirit Light
Weapon of Warding
Life
Ghostmirror Light

1x Ritualist
Signet of Spirits
Protective was Kaolai
Mend Body and Soul
Spirit Light
Essence Strike
Spirit Siphon
Weapon of Warding
Splinter Weapon

To initiate fights against balled mobs you'll want to queue IA and Churning Earth on all heroes. Flag the ele slightly ahead so Churning Earth starts casting before the Rangers attack and KD locks everything; this will pretty much ensure the mob is completely dead after 5 seconds.

Anthem of Envy helps drop everything to below 50%, at which Needling Shot takes over. Try to focus on things below 50% when they appear. Also as this is AoE oriented try to direct heroes at multiple targets. Incendiary Arrows and Needling Shot coupled with Ignite Arrows and the vanguard ward drops things incredibly fast.

Because of the relatively low defense you need to kill stuff quickly. Long fights usually mean death. Make sure Concussion Shot is used to neutralize dangerous casters, because there are no heavy prots in this build (unless you take a rit lord or MM bomber with prot spirit or something).

This build could probably still use some refinements. In particularly the earth elementalist feels kind of awkward. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

If you want to kill some stuff with Rangers or just take a break from running all the meta caster builds going around, give it a try. It's actually quite fun and effective

FoxBat · Mar 08, 2011, 12:16 AM // 00:16

Don't try to run orders on a healer, I know from experience.... They'll be caught mid-spamming orders when someone's in trouble and heal nothing. Locating that somewhere else may help your defense.

I'm really skeptical of ranger heroes being able to use those bars to full capacity. They'll needle when they ought to incendiary, they don't even spam needling on recharge quite, you have a paragon along mainly to power concussion shot, and you apparently want an IAS but have to do with a bad one. We might actually instead want P/Rs here, substituting a maintainable IAS for attempting to get them to spam attack skills, and stick the anti-caster in technobabble or a mesmer hero. With all of them spamming GftE and a few other shouts, you can also open up some ridiculous echo interactions.

I would look at a mesmer in place of your elementalist, either shared burden or psychic instibility to mitigate kiting. (or both - illusion mesmer, and a PI resto) You can fit plenty of anti-caster or anti-melee in that same slot. A PI knockdown followed up by minions moving in can also do wonders to gum up movement.

pakhavit · Mar 08, 2011, 12:39 AM // 00:39

Looks so squishy ._. I would love to throw splinter in the bar with poison sig+volley

Marverick · Mar 08, 2011, 12:57 AM // 00:57

Hmmm, originally I had all the Rangers with Flurry, and the Paragon was there to power that. But heroes refused to use Flurry, so I switched to Heart of Fury. It only lasts 2 seconds but with Dark Fury they should gain adrenaline quickly and be able to use it a lot.

Anthem of Envy also adds lots of damage with the spirits and rangers and helps get stuff below the 50% mark for needling shot. For the AI part I think I'm actually just going to disable IA and Needling on everyone, and bind all 4 IAs and Needlings to one hotkey so I can manually target everything.

What else would you put orders on? I don't like MMs with this because there's a lot of scattering and then minions go off running all over the place and make a mess. There aren't really any curses worth using with this other than generic anti-melee stuff.

FoxBat · Mar 08, 2011, 01:20 AM // 01:20

If you want to micro stuff like crazy it may be a different story. I'm just lazy and like to make bars the AI can manage.

In this case dwyana derv orders spammer may be the best, as it outputs some fine party healing while doing what it does.

BrettM · Mar 08, 2011, 01:36 AM // 01:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

What else would you put orders on?

Try an ER Orders Ele. There are plenty of open slots on the bar that you can fill with earth spells, or curses, or whatever floats your boat.

Marverick · Mar 08, 2011, 01:44 AM // 01:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoxBat

If you want to micro stuff like crazy it may be a different story. I'm just lazy and like to make bars the AI can manage.

In this case dwyana derv orders spammer may be the best, as it outputs some fine party healing while doing what it does.

Actually I would just be doing the same thing as I usually do, except when I press 3 to use Incendiary Arrows all of my Ranger heroes do the same thing.

The Dwayna derv sounds cool, I don't actually know what half the new Dervish skills do so I should look at those..

edit... hmmm all the Dervish stuff (mysticism, dwayna) only works with Dervish enchantments now.

pingu666 · Mar 16, 2011, 02:05 AM // 02:05

theres a spell in wind prays which heals caster for 45ish, and all enchanted party members, which with orders....

Rites · Mar 16, 2011, 02:54 AM // 02:54

hmmm...... changing physical attack to fire..... call me stupid, but doesnt that nullify order of pain?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaida the Heartless

Ignite Arrows doesn't change the damage type, only Kindle does. Ignite still works with Orders.

ok i been slapped with the stoopid stick

Kaida the Heartless · Mar 16, 2011, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Ignite Arrows doesn't change the damage type, only Kindle does. Ignite still works with Orders.

distilledwill · Mar 16, 2011, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by pakhavit

Looks so squishy ._. I would love to throw splinter in the bar with poison sig+volley

Volley would remove Ignite Arrows and kinda ruin the point of the build!

I would run it like this:

You as an Ignite/Incendiary Arrows SY spammer.

3x Ignite Rangers:
Indendiary Arrows [e]
Dshot
Savage Shot
Dual Shot
Ignite Arrows
Lightning Reflexes
Optional (Fall Back, Epidemic, GftE!)
Res Sig

Standard Ranger setup - using Concussion Shot would just drain their energy, with 4 rangers the 2 standard interupts on each should suffice. I'd suggest having them all with fall back on a low attribute level (@4 it lasts 6 seconds, x3 = 18 thats enough for almost constant fall back).

1x SoS Rit
Signet of Spirits [e]
Bloodsong
Splinter Weapon
Renewing Surge
Spirit Siphon
Mend Body and Soul
Spirit Light
Protective Was Kaolai

I don't like to include other weapon spells if I'm using Splinter, having heals should be just fine. I've included Renewing Surge aswell as Spirit Siphon to make sure she always has enough energy to spam Splinter and the heals.

1x Paragon
Vicious Attack
Swift Javelin
Spear of Redemption
Anthem of Zeal
"They're On Fire!"
Signet of Removal [e]
Aggressive Refrain
Signet of Return

Anthem of Zeal + Signet of Removal is a good energy management system for a paragon - its a little unorthodox, but it works - plus it has other benefits (more later!). "They're on Fire!" is a no brainer. Swift Javelin synergises with the Orders.

1x Orders MM
Aura of the Lich [e]
Animate Bone Minions/Horrors
Death Nova (keep disabled between fights)
Putrid Bile/Rip Enchantment
Order of Pain
Dark Fury
Foul Feast
Signet of Lost Souls

Standard AotL MM with Orders. FF helps to remove conditions and couples with SolS it acts as decent energy management.

1x Healing Burst Healer (or your preferred healer hero)
Healing Burst [e]
Signet of Rejuvenation
Cure Hex
Protective Spirit
Shielding Hands
Aegis
Glyph of Lesser Energy
Divine Spirit

Ordinarily, this hero would run out of energy due to Prot Spirit. But when coupled with Glyph and Divine it does ok - it also receives energy when it uses Sig of Rejuvenation (due to Anthem of Zeal on the paragon) which further helps.

This build should stand up pretty well, it has almost constant Fall Back, block skills on the Rangers, 2 hex removals, 3 condition removals, Prot spirit, damage reduction from They're on Fire and 2 decent healers. On the damage side it has AoE damage up the yoohah, 5 buffed physical attackers, a minion wall and spirits. Enjoy.

FoxBat · Mar 20, 2011, 07:56 AM // 07:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marverick

Ebon Battle Standard of Honor (need a high rank on this since most of the damage comes from it)

All those +4s turn into +20s. Hit 3 adjacent foes and it's +60 to all of them, multiply by number of rangers... then add the base damage w/orders...

Calista Blackblood · Mar 20, 2011, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Anet does NOT allow the use of autoclickers/scripts/anything that automates gameplay so discussion of those can stay out of this thread from now on.

ps:If you get caught it's entirely your own fault.

Thank you.