Curse

Lanier · Oct 07, 2011, 06:03 PM // 18:03

OoP is very good, and there are enough support skills in the blood magic line to work with it on a hero. The problem is that it only becomes useful once you add more physical heroes. In my 2 physical and 3 physical physway builds, I use a OoP necro with cultist ferver, dark fury, blood bond (primarily for the minions benefit), and blood rit because its good in any sort of build. For the rest of the skill slots, just choose which other support line that you want to go into. For my physway builds, I generally spec into channeling to get another copy of splinter and maybe another channeling skill like A-rage or warmonger's. Another support line like smite, wind prayers or curses would work too (though I wouldn't recommend running the blood and curse physical support skills on the same bar - the combined casting times are too long and heroes wont use OoP/Dark Fury very often as they tend to prioritize the curses, particularly barbs).

Slowpokeking · Oct 07, 2011, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Calista Blackblood

It is when you need a necro with 18 BM to achieve,an attribute line well known and versed for being utter crap. The only other skill worth even considering would be Dark Fury,but if you need it,you have worse problems than adrenaline. Notably lack of ablity.

Awaken the Blood give you+2. +17 damage is also cool.

Calista Blackblood · Oct 07, 2011, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

Awaken the Blood give you+2. +17 damage is also cool.

Yes in 2005 with B/Pway Tombs,not now 6 years later when casters absolutely shit over everything else.

Soryuju · Oct 07, 2011, 06:42 PM // 18:42

I've also been playing around a little bit with the Barrage/Volley + Splinter combination, especially after seeing some of the what the Peacekeeper Marksmen south of the Temple of Ages could do with it when my party wasn't spread out enough. Here's my current prototype:

For non-mesmer primaries, just drop E-Surge for Panic on the Dom hero and run the build of your choice.

I'll say up front that I really haven't used Ranger or Paragon heroes very much in the past, and I've never tried an Orders build before, so the setup is sort of an experiment for me (I've been trying to take as much advice from this thread as I can). I've been happy with how it's been running thus far, though.

Basic concept: use the Orders Derv to pump damage and adrenaline to the Ranger and Paragon, and health to the party in general. Splinter with Volley and the Para's physical attacks spikes for massive damage and high adrenaline gain, which then fuels GFTE! and Anthem of Envy. These, in turn, pump minion and spirit damage, and boost damage from the Ranger and Paragon further. The minions and ST prots combine well with the Derv's frequent party heals, and since minions cause Shelter and Displacement to expire more quickly, Spirit's Gift becomes a surprisingly effective form of healing and condition removal.

I took it into Ravenheart Gloom NM for a test run (I'm still not very good at running DoA) and everything went perfectly. The mobs melted against my DPS, and I only suffered a single hero death during the entire run. For the most part, my bars hardly budged. It's an encouraging sign for taking on more difficult areas in the future.

A question, though: what kind of bow would be preferable for the Ranger? I've been running a longbow thus far, but I'm not sure if another type would get the job done better.

I'm sure there are still plenty of things to improve upon in the setup (criticism is welcome!), but I hope it's at least of some benefit to the OP.

Daesu · Oct 07, 2011, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Soryuju

I'm sure there are still plenty of things to improve upon in the setup (criticism is welcome!), but I hope it's at least of some benefit to the OP.

If you want to do a dual orders build, you may as well bring 2 VoS dervishes who can benefit from enchantments. I would also bring an ER with SoH and you dont need the MM.

I just don't have confidence in rangers at this time, they need a skill buff. Their damage is so much smaller than a VoS dervish with SoH.

Chthon · Oct 08, 2011, 12:55 AM // 00:55

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Originally Posted by Slowpokeking

So nobody likes OoP or OoV?

I like them just fine, but they don't make sense in a team that has only 1 physical, even if it is a barrager.

shanaya · Oct 08, 2011, 08:57 AM // 08:57

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Originally Posted by primitiveworker

http://i51.tinypic.com/egr3o2.png

This DoA build includes a ranger and works very well indeed if you replace the preparation Experts Focus with Volley. It pumps out tons of damage, though admittedly its not armour-ignoring.

MelianCeleh · Oct 08, 2011, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by shanaya

This DoA build includes a ranger and works very well indeed if you replace the preparation Experts Focus with Volley. It pumps out tons of damage, though admittedly its not armour-ignoring.

I'm actually running something like that atm. :P

Daesu · Oct 08, 2011, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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Originally Posted by shanaya

This DoA build includes a ranger and works very well indeed if you replace the preparation Experts Focus with Volley. It pumps out tons of damage, though admittedly its not armour-ignoring.

And affected by blocking...

It is decent if you dont have mercs. Otherwise, I would replace the ranger.

shanaya · Oct 09, 2011, 10:57 AM // 10:57

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Originally Posted by Daesu

And affected by blocking...

It is decent if you dont have mercs. Otherwise, I would replace the ranger.

Very true, and when I use this build with my ranger I replace the ranger hero with a mercenary: either a Keystone Mes or a second communing (offensive) Rit.

HigherMinion · Jan 13, 2015, 04:25 AM // 04:25

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Originally Posted by Soryuju

I've also been playing around a little bit with the Barrage/Volley + Splinter combination, especially after seeing some of the what the Peacekeeper Marksmen south of the Temple of Ages could do with it when my party wasn't spread out enough. Here's my current prototype:

http://static.gwcom.de/pawned/dc1f1924b9296c71.png

For non-mesmer primaries, just drop E-Surge for Panic on the Dom hero and run the build of your choice.

I'll say up front that I really haven't used Ranger or Paragon heroes very much in the past, and I've never tried an Orders build before, so the setup is sort of an experiment for me (I've been trying to take as much advice from this thread as I can). I've been happy with how it's been running thus far, though.

Basic concept: use the Orders Derv to pump damage and adrenaline to the Ranger and Paragon, and health to the party in general. Splinter with Volley and the Para's physical attacks spikes for massive damage and high adrenaline gain, which then fuels GFTE! and Anthem of Envy. These, in turn, pump minion and spirit damage, and boost damage from the Ranger and Paragon further. The minions and ST prots combine well with the Derv's frequent party heals, and since minions cause Shelter and Displacement to expire more quickly, Spirit's Gift becomes a surprisingly effective form of healing and condition removal.

I took it into Ravenheart Gloom NM for a test run (I'm still not very good at running DoA) and everything went perfectly. The mobs melted against my DPS, and I only suffered a single hero death during the entire run. For the most part, my bars hardly budged. It's an encouraging sign for taking on more difficult areas in the future.

A question, though: what kind of bow would be preferable for the Ranger? I've been running a longbow thus far, but I'm not sure if another type would get the job done better.

I'm sure there are still plenty of things to improve upon in the setup (criticism is welcome!), but I hope it's at least of some benefit to the OP.

terrible energy management on the paragon; why you'd give him MoP when you have a perfectly serviceable necromancer to give it to. Scrap SYG on the paragon for a spear attack (to trigger Envy) Also don't take two copies of Envy in the party. Ranger can take something else. I would take Point Blank Shot for a little extra DPS on the ranger, since when it's without Splinter Weapon it'll be quite useless.

Why Dark Bond?