Curse

X-Plosiv · May 26, 2011, 09:57 AM // 09:57

What do you use as SoGM? Could I see build, one ritualist would run those.
What you think of E/me for E-Surge? (this way I could put back Razah to mesmer!)
Do they do it effiecent? I've seen E/me in some people screenshots, but didn't have time to check it.

If it works good, I could put Zhed as E/Me, and then switch to Razah back to Rt...would use then SoS/ST rit and a SoGM necro/rit (are these builds good: OAKkYNgcYSmjzOaf2+mTOppzk2A and OAKkYNhpITm01U5En4kj0kz0FDtB) . One is SoS, other is SoGM? Don't know, don't have game now to test it, will check it later!

Sorry if these seems noobish, doing UW NM is easy except 4H...Did yesterday with guildie wastesm then went to 4h, got hammered there, but we didn't have good builds since we just went for black widow in wastes

EFGJack · May 26, 2011, 10:48 AM // 10:48

Can you post your current team build for the underworld as a whole? And how crucial is the third mesmer for your group? Surely a primary elementalist performs better with spells from the four elements than he would with Energy Surge. Low damage due to limited attributes, long cast and recharge due to absence of Fast Casting. The general hate towards elementalist heroes is greatly exaggerated and as mesmers are the new hype people have became blind to the old, good builds that still remain as functional as ever.

SoGM is a very powerful hero build but I do not use it as it doesn't fit my personal play style. I can suggest you a template once I see the basic idea of your team build.

Main post updated under the general section

X-Plosiv · May 26, 2011, 11:57 AM // 11:57

My 7H is usually this:

1. R/ - I go as Bararge, SoS, Poison/Fire..all depends on area, to be honest. Interrupting kind of lost it's touch with mesmers in a team.
2. N/Rt - OAhkUwG4RFmTM7oaHQEDTpJ1+iB
3. N/Mo - OANEUshd9JFzoAWFgGUPEQY0M9B
4. N/Rt - OAhjUoGYIPxsjaGbYO5kmjzLGA

I use Discords because I'm working on my VQ, and find them good as they got dmg/heal, so overall, nice utility for my VQ. Can change them to something else here if needed, though, since in some areas I tend to have other heroes instead of triple nec/discord.

5. Me/R - OQJUASxOSLN0gpnpLH0DyALfaDA
6. Me/Mo - OQNDA8w+M/g8spjrZ9R+PAeK
7. Razah - currently OQhkAkC8QGOzJY6Z6IdEhlfGI5C
8. Usually this: P: OQCjUimL6OBZf8FeCXhrx7Y3NA

I tend to use that for my VQ / FoW NM when I'm running people.
Most of build that I use was posted by Tuwek.

I do variations as well, changing heroes, some skills etc., but some overall default teambuild I use is that. For VQ it works well. Sometimes I bring Vekk wth E/me (archane echo SF).

EFGJack · May 26, 2011, 12:01 PM // 12:01

Care to post a screenshot? I cannot access GW at the moment. Keep in mind UW isn't your general vanquish or normal mode FoW and you could consider other options than Discord.

X-Plosiv · May 26, 2011, 01:07 PM // 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by EFGJack

Care to post a screenshot? I cannot access GW at the moment. Keep in mind UW isn't your general vanquish or normal mode FoW and you could consider other options than Discord.

Yes, I know. I used to do UWSC back in the days, and did now many areas, so I'm qute familiar with UW as a area.

I'll edit this post with screenshot when I get home, currently on college :/

For elite areas I see that there are better options than Discord, and I'm willing to test them, just need to find some time

EDIT:

Here, this is teambuild I usually use for VQ...ME i swap as i said, barrage, poison fire, whatever
This is builds that Tuwek posted, though me and him used same discord it seems

Paragon have 1 spear attack, because from what I have heard of people, If he have just support skills, he tends not to use them very good..last skill i manually stop, then just pop it once, usually no need for more...
instead of him i sometimes get Vekk, Ogden or something like that..

This builds are for VQ i do with them, or some dungeon sometimes....
If E/me can do efficent enough, i could put Zhed as E-Surge, and get razah back to ritualist, or get someone else instead of him that does dmg...

EFGJack · May 27, 2011, 08:59 PM // 20:59

This build is pretty basic and it should be able to clear the Underworld on Normal Mode if you follow the guide in the three difficult quests - 4HM - Wastes and Pits. I left the player bar blank as I haven't got much experience playing a Ranger primary, though you could totally bust out a hammer and bash Dhuum for added knockdowns.

Attributes should be quite simple. Max points in the elite skills' attribute on all characters. SoS rit doesn't need much spawning power so he can have high resto on top of maximum channeling. For mesmers it's important they have at least 10 inspiration. Command should be 9 but they can get away at 7. The rest aren't too important.

Let me know how it works out and where you fail if you don't get through the Underworld.

EFGJack · Jun 13, 2011, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Disregard the build above, I finally got around to testing a build idea I had and it worked really well:

This build is pretty solid for the Underworld. I did the UW HM with this build and all of the quests went pretty smoothly with the tactics explained in the original post. For Dhuum I sacrificed the bottom 3 heroes with Blood Rit + vampiric weapons. Dhuum's Rest got up pretty fast with 3 additional Rest users, and the Reapers get to use Ghostly Fury faster. It's somewhat important you get these three heroes killed at Dhuum.

I reckon this build will work for any primary profession. AP casters will do exceptionally well in the quests, and against Dhuum: Minions and Champions keep recharging EVAS (because of AP) that you will be spamming on Dhuum for additional KDs and damage.

Those with Mercenary heroes can use a Ritualist primary as Signet of Spirits, and a third Mesmer instead of the Curses Necromancer. Let me know if it works for you.

HigherMinion · Jun 13, 2011, 06:02 PM // 18:02

Are two copies of Earthbind really necessary? At two high specs and only the posibility of KDing two foes at a time.

Also... Spiritual Pain?

batno_mercy · Jun 13, 2011, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Underworld. Minions. Spirits. Bloody chained souls. Do you really need more summoned creatures in an area to start considering spiritual pain? Vale team in UWSC uses it already. And yeah, can Earthbind on the Soul Twisting bar be dropped? Then you would only have one earthbind without ST charges to keep it up.

How do you think the necro build would be with ulcerous lungs or meekness? Those bars are pretty awesome

EFGJack · Jun 13, 2011, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Two copies of Earthbind may not be necessary, but I had it as a backup, in case Dhuum and his minions destroy it in more than one occasion. Spiritual Pain is decent unconditional damage. alternatives would be Overload, Power Spike, Shatter Enchantment, Cry of Frustration and possibly even symbolic posture for Unnatural Signet. I find Spiritual Pain satisfying enough for it to warrant a slot in most Domination builds.

What's the big hate on Spiritual Pain? ;>

@batno_mercy - Meekness had it's uses back when you could only take three heroes, but now it's usefullness is overshadowed by the speed your hero party kills at, and abilities such as Displacement and Aegis. Ulcerous Lungs is pretty redundant, too. but it can be used in FoC builds just as well.

paranon · Jun 13, 2011, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Stickied. Nice guide

batno_mercy · Jun 13, 2011, 08:47 PM // 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by EFGJack

Meekness had it's uses back when you could only take three heroes, but now it's usefullness is overshadowed by the speed your hero party kills at, and abilities such as Displacement and Aegis. Ulcerous Lungs is pretty redundant, too. but it can be used in FoC builds just as well.

Yeah, I only asked about meekness because I was wondering if it would be better to have an "in the area" hex for FoC (because FoC is very good dps). Now that I come to think of it, it might be a pretty bad idea with the massive mindblade mobs that spawn in basement and on the way to vale, their hex prevention would start showing it's teeth if the hex for FoC is too big.

For the earthbinds, I can't really see what else you can splash onto there, the bars are pretty much there and AP callers will get some steroid action for once

+1 that spiritual pain kicks ass. Some pretty good armor ignoring damage on a single mob and the minion walls in pits become easy as pie. I've always hated nature's renewal as well, so blasting those spirits is cool. Not to mention they'll try and recast it instead of doing what they should be doing which is attacking you.

Illion · Jun 21, 2011, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by EFGJack

Disregard the build above, I finally got around to testing a build idea I had and it worked really well:

You said an AP caster would fit great into the mix. I play a Ritualist, what would be the optimal build for the Ritualist using your above template? Would any of the other heroes's skills change?
I can play any role as long as its min maxed

Thank you!

/illion

peter81 · Jun 22, 2011, 08:22 AM // 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by EFGJack

This build is pretty basic and it should be able to clear the Underworld on Normal Mode if you follow the guide in the three difficult quests - 4HM - Wastes and Pits. I left the player bar blank as I haven't got much experience playing a Ranger primary, though you could totally bust out a hammer and bash Dhuum for added knockdowns.

Attributes should be quite simple. Max points in the elite skills' attribute on all characters. SoS rit doesn't need much spawning power so he can have high resto on top of maximum channeling. For mesmers it's important they have at least 10 inspiration. Command should be 9 but they can get away at 7. The rest aren't too important.

Let me know how it works out and where you fail if you don't get through the Underworld.

Yesterday i went to UW NM with this buils as Imbagon. I failed at 4HM. I cant kill the first group on the right side - it seems that i have too low dmg.
I also left spirits on the left side to slow down these two groups, but they past through it really fast.
Any clues ?

HigherMinion · Jun 22, 2011, 09:26 AM // 09:26

When the spirits are off your compass, you can plant a second copy; if you didn't do that already. Drop them in a line heading to the reaper on Pools side then run over to the top of Pits entrance and place spirits around the highest spawn point.

Mordiego · Jun 22, 2011, 09:51 AM // 09:51

couldn't find it... what's the /age for this in HM?

EFGJack · Jun 22, 2011, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by peter81

Yesterday i went to UW NM with this buils as Imbagon. I failed at 4HM. I cant kill the first group on the right side - it seems that i have too low dmg.
I also left spirits on the left side to slow down these two groups, but they past through it really fast.
Any clues ?

That build should have what it takes as long as it's done right. It's a different build, but as seen on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu6XjYE9unU - I only kill one of the horse riders and run back to the Reaper, and leave the spirits to finish off the final horse rider-- just be sure to call that target to get spirits to attack him.

Anyway I wouldn't suggest on using that specific build, but instead using either the build I posted some posts after that one, or anything else that is viable.

@HigherMinion - 2 spirits 1 compass, mate. As long as they're not on eachother's range it's fine (spirit range - gww), patrolling monsters, and stationary monsters do it all the time.

@Mordiego - A Hard Mode clear without consumables lands in the 2:30 region. Give or take 20 minutes. Although the time is highly influenced by experience, build and knowledge, so I wouldn't be surprised if one takes 4 hours on his first go.

Illion · Jun 22, 2011, 12:41 PM // 12:41

I guess since it was my first post it wasn't worth much.

Well then to my second post. I agree with peter81 above, I feel the dps is kind of low, I wonder if its because I run a ritualist and not a warrior like you. Which class and build would you add to the build above to get max damage output?

This is what I am running right now:
http://www.gwpvx.com/Build:Rt/any_Spirit_Spammer

peter81 · Jun 22, 2011, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Right. As imbagon im not a dmg dealer. Is this build support enough dmg output with no human help ?

Second question: ranger skills are only for 4HM ?

Partizanovac · Jun 25, 2011, 12:40 PM // 12:40

hey, i tried the build with invoke ele in NM, failed at 4 horseman. Can someone be kind to post a guide for the quest in NM, ill be gratefull
thx