Curse

CalypsoX · Sep 16, 2006, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by Evilsod

Killing off the melee is all good... but then what do you use to power Sliver Armour?

Well, here's the good news.
1) Anything that attacks you triggers sliver armor - this includes spirits and even random uncharmed pets that happen to want to attack you for whatever reason (yes, it does happen).
2) Sliver armor is triggered by attacks AND spells targetting you.
3) There's a lot of flexibility with the build because the only really must have skills are shadow form and sliver. For example, I've killed Bahnba Shockfoot, Lukrker Foulfist, Sourbeak Rotshell, even though their group consists only of a max of 4 enemies (minus boss) total. Here's an example also where Ele primary is imporant, since you need the stronger sliver armor and damage spells.
My build is:
Shadow Form
Sliver Armor
Glyph of Elemental Power
Deaths Charge
Tenai Crystals
Obsidian Flame
Dark Escape
Dash
The boss's group is random - mix of rangers, rits, and warriors. Many times I kill off the warriors first, but I'm still able to take the boss down because the rits drop attacking spirits and I spam my damage spells whenever they come up. You can probably drop dash and put in another damage spell too (crystal wave).

moenbase · Sep 16, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

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Originally Posted by CalypsoX

3) Here's an example also where Ele primary is imporant, since you need the stronger sliver armor and damage spells.

Problem what I see with E as a primairy is that Sliver doesn't really add much time duration, only 1 (?) second more. Perhaps the damage increases more, haven't checked on that.
Also, Shadow Form is only 17 seconds I think?

But I'll have to try this tomorrow then. Made an E/A though, but when I saw the spells i wasn't really that confident in the build. Perhaps it does work out nicely though.
If the Kirin in the same area as Sourbeak needs really all the mobs in order to finish him off. I've tried it numberous times without the other (3-4) Kirin close to the group, but failed it everytime since it doesn't do enough damage.
So I wonder how I can kill Sourbeak then since he's in a much much smaller group.
But then again, I haven't tried, perhaps he has a weak against Earth.

How do you do Bhanba btw since he uses a shockwave that causes instant death. Goes right through Shadow Form.

CalypsoX · Sep 17, 2006, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by moenbase

Problem what I see with E as a primairy is that Sliver doesn't really add much time duration, only 1 (?) second more. Perhaps the damage increases more, haven't checked on that.
Also, Shadow Form is only 17 seconds I think?

But I'll have to try this tomorrow then. Made an E/A though, but when I saw the spells i wasn't really that confident in the build. Perhaps it does work out nicely though.
If the Kirin in the same area as Sourbeak needs really all the mobs in order to finish him off. I've tried it numberous times without the other (3-4) Kirin close to the group, but failed it everytime since it doesn't do enough damage.
So I wonder how I can kill Sourbeak then since he's in a much much smaller group.
But then again, I haven't tried, perhaps he has a weak against Earth.

How do you do Bhanba btw since he uses a shockwave that causes instant death. Goes right through Shadow Form.

The damage is very significant because each time sliver armor hits, it does an additional 8 damage (at 14 earth for a sin which is 33 compared to 18 earth for elementalist which is 41), which really adds up since it's always hitting the same target. Dark escape halves the damage from shockwave, but it will still kill you if you have more than 40% dp (approximately). Do not get poisoned though by the traps. Read my post again, because you're in a smaller mob, you utilize your other damage spells to do the job. During the duration of sliver or shadow, whichever is shorter, you can get off 1 tenai/crystal (due to the recharge) and 2 obsidian flames (one of which can be glyphed). Add in another crystal wave, and you're looking at close to 500 additional armor ignoring damage.

J54W · Sep 17, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

can you pls write down sunreachs skill setup and "how to" list?! this thread is very messed up.

p.s. realy nice builds, im proud that even sins know how to solo

moenbase · Sep 17, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30

There's really something fishy about Sliver Armor.
When I fight the Skill Eater with it, with about 5 mobs around me I can most of the time get it to target the boss. But when I do the same trick to the Roottripper boss in Mount Qinkai who only has 1 or 2 other mobs around me, then it'll always target the others.
Even better, it jumps from targetting the boss to another mob :s

ateddybear · Sep 17, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

Time to make an assassin ^.^

Not looking forward of going through the campaign though.

Evilsod · Sep 17, 2006, 11:02 PM // 23:02

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Originally Posted by CalypsoX

Well, here's the good news.
1) Anything that attacks you triggers sliver armor - this includes spirits and even random uncharmed pets that happen to want to attack you for whatever reason (yes, it does happen).
2) Sliver armor is triggered by attacks AND spells targetting you.
3) There's a lot of flexibility with the build because the only really must have skills are shadow form and sliver. For example, I've killed Bahnba Shockfoot, Lukrker Foulfist, Sourbeak Rotshell, even though their group consists only of a max of 4 enemies (minus boss) total.

I'm not stupid. I know what Sliver Armour activates off. But wands do bugger all, spells also aren't repeatadly cast 'that' often. A ranger attacks 2s-2.8s. A wand is slow, dunno the time. A melee sword warrior is 1.3s, assassins are 1.3/0.65s. The damage coming off those is significantly greater than the casters. Not to mention half of them STOP attacking to heal your target.

CalypsoX · Sep 18, 2006, 01:12 AM // 01:12

Nor did I say you were. My main point is that sliver armor IS NOT your only means of killing something. This whole conversation got started because you claimed it was pointless to go farm anything else, and your reasoning was monetary based. As I have said and someone else, not everyone goes boss hunting just to get rich, and the flexibility of this build allows someone to tackle almost any kind of boss (minus rangers) where there are mobs nearby, and that even a small mob of 3 or 4 enemies is still workable.

MelechRic · Sep 18, 2006, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by ateddybear

Time to make an assassin ^.^

Not looking forward of going through the campaign though.

Hmm... I'm not sure I would make one if I didn't have one already. As you've mentioned, getting through the campaign is a chore with a sin. Also, think of the countless hordes of sins that are farming these greens into the dirt. Eventually you'll be able to buy at rock-bottom prices.

I've got a lowbie sin, but the thought of going through this content again is so uninspiring that I think I'll wait.

The only real reason to go through with a sin now would be so that it's ready an waiting for farming in Nightfall.

Just my $0.02

Desires · Sep 18, 2006, 02:58 AM // 02:58

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Originally Posted by MelechRic

Hmm... I'm not sure I would make one if I didn't have one already. As you've mentioned, getting through the campaign is a chore with a sin. Also, think of the countless hordes of sins that are farming these greens into the dirt. Eventually you'll be able to buy at rock-bottom prices.

I've got a lowbie sin, but the thought of going through this content again is so uninspiring that I think I'll wait.

The only real reason to go through with a sin now would be so that it's ready an waiting for farming in Nightfall.

Just my $0.02

Thats why I released the build actaully. If your willing to take a sin through the campain its not like makeing a 55 monk for underworld then you earned it lol. Also with how prices are already slowly lowering on things like sunreach it might not be worth the time for some people to make one.

Thom Bangalter · Sep 18, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56

Well, now I realize why I was sucking so bad, i was relying way to heavily on sliver armor to do my damage, and only bringing like aftershock as another attack skill.

The thing that sucks about this build, for me, is that the boss I most want to farm does aoe nontargetted attacks, so it slides under shadow form. Oh well...Great build for the bosses it works on, I just may never get that offhand....

Evilsod · Sep 18, 2006, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by CalypsoX

Nor did I say you were. My main point is that sliver armor IS NOT your only means of killing something. This whole conversation got started because you claimed it was pointless to go farm anything else, and your reasoning was monetary based. As I have said and someone else, not everyone goes boss hunting just to get rich, and the flexibility of this build allows someone to tackle almost any kind of boss (minus rangers) where there are mobs nearby, and that even a small mob of 3 or 4 enemies is still workable.

It still has its limits. With 3 to 4 enemies in a mob it may be workable... but the chances are its easier to do with a million other farming builds too. Fair enough people like to make a complete list... but the majority of people who have Assassins will have another character capable of the solo. Even a touch ranger is flexible in the sense only 3 skills are set in stone (and even then 1 can be altered on rare occasions). Imo if you can kill it with 1 character thats all that really matters. The only exceptions really would be bosses like Sskai who the fastest (warrior) farm is very high risk, so others are wanted.

Meh, i've been doing fine farming Kaolins using nothing but Sliver for damage. Unless Rust counts for the Warrior

Its a shame i can't go /R and bring Frozen Soil...

Mistical miss · Sep 18, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

Raisu palace explorable: the oni and the mesmer boss are not that hard to kill (be sure to have 2 groups attacking when u aggro the boss) with glyph-sliver

both drop mediocre - bad greens, but its fun trying

CalypsoX · Sep 18, 2006, 09:04 AM // 09:04

I'd go after Sseer and probably Byrne, their greens are highly desired.

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Originally Posted by Thom Bangalter

Well, now I realize why I was sucking so bad, i was relying way to heavily on sliver armor to do my damage, and only bringing like aftershock as another attack skill.

The thing that sucks about this build, for me, is that the boss I most want to farm does aoe nontargetted attacks, so it slides under shadow form. Oh well...Great build for the bosses it works on, I just may never get that offhand....

Use dark escape to halve damage. Use earth magic armor buffs. Use shadow refuge and/or aura of restoration. Be creative. Btw, which boss are you referring to?

zadinos · Sep 18, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

One quastion guys. The door to constructs are closed for me outside Zin Ku.
Anyone here knows which q or mission opens the door for me?

moenbase · Sep 18, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

You need to do Sunjiang mission first.
And probably also Arborstone and Boreas Seabed if you haven't done it yet.

I've tried that E/A build now on Sourbeak. Only been able to kill him once though.
All the other times his friends were killing me with some shockwave things, even with Dark Escape it still kills me.

Also tried the Scar Eater, and with this build you don't need knockdowns to kill him, even if he does Healing Burst you can most of the time outdamage him. You just have to wait with Sliver so Kirins, and Undergrowth will be close to you.

The Koalin Domination staff also dropped for me now on my A/E. It really took me a long time because Sliver almost never target the right mob. And running away isn't always an option.

The Yeti Ritualist boss in Mount Qinkai can also be done pretty easy with the E/A.

Same as with the Ranger yeti boss in Mount Qinkai which i can't target, as well as the Woe Spreader in Maishang Hills, and the channeling boss right outside Jade Flats (Luxon). It just refuses to target them for some reason.

I still do have problems with the Time Eater though. I can't do enough damage for him to kill him. Also sometimes he interupts your Sliver Armor with a signet when you have Shadow Form up. :{

zadinos · Sep 18, 2006, 11:41 AM // 11:41

Ty for your help

. I have some missions left then.

Northrog · Sep 18, 2006, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Thanx for the build I've just dropped the everthorn's chakrams.

I use a slight variation :

- shadow form
- glyph of elemental power
- silver armor
- obsidian flame
- teinai's crystals
- aftershock
- shadow of haste
- dark escape

Shadow of haste + dark escape can make you teleport back if something goes wrong. It happens often that silver armor miss the intended target even with death's charge. So the above combo is very usefull.

Hyourinmaru · Sep 18, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

just a question why doesnt sliver always hit??
i did sunreach like 60 times and i only killed him like 5 times -___-

Evilsod · Sep 18, 2006, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Northrog... why bring Aftershock with no knockdown? Why not just bring Crystal Wave?

If we knew how to make Sliver armour target specific targets... we'd of all had about 3million worth of Kaolins drop by now.