Curse

Talarian · Mar 06, 2008, 10:58 AM // 10:58

All I'm going to say about Glyph of Concentration is you'd better have a pretty big energy pool, because once the Graspings start spamming "Fear Me!" (which they do if you don't use Visage), you will see your energy deplete rapidly. Seeing as your big damage dealers cost a combined total of 35 energy, I'd say this is rather relevant.

In my opinion, this is THE best build for Smite farming IF you can use it properly. I do not fail at all anymore, save for when there is a glitch and the Aataxes do something unexpected. Plus I can't see any way in which the MS build could be quicker (if you're looking to kill any more than 10 groups, it's not quicker).

Kenny Mack · Mar 06, 2008, 11:37 AM // 11:37

firstly u cant spam fear me anymore, for two reasons ;

1. they have to build up an adren cost of 4 (they need to hit u 4 times)

2. it has been nerfed and now has a recharge time of six seconds

u can afford a group of grasps to use it once, ur only gonna lose 12-16 energy out of around 75-80

if they get to use it more than once, ur taking way too long too kill them, u need more practise

and secondly i didnt say the ms, bed of coals build was quicker, i said it stops things getting boring

Kenny

Talarian · Mar 06, 2008, 12:16 PM // 12:16

Points duly noted

Resident · Mar 06, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

Well, you can kill two groups of grasps without any problem. Fear me means -4 energy, they hit you at least 4 times before they can cast it, thats +4 energy.

Basically they wont be able to cast it more than two times. Well, i haven't noticed energy problems except sometimes in the bonepits...

BuD · Mar 06, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

I assume with MS you are taking on more than 1 group of smites at a time. If this is the case, drops will be worse due to the AoE nerf. If your not taking on more than 1 group at a time, a run is going to take a lot longer due to recharge time of MS vs. Koning's build.

Ill stick with the original build, unless I feel like venturing to the chaos planes or bonepits.

Koning · Mar 06, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by Kenny Mack

lol koning, im beginning to question whether you have ever farmed at all

there is nothing wrong with ms, bed of coals and fdhaste. it stops things getting boring and the recharge is not "big ass", its only 60 secs, between the time of u casting it, killing the foes, and waiting for the pull on the next group its basically recharged.

Kenny

Well, if you've been around long enough on guru you would probably know the answer.

And I can't see how it is less 'boring' than other elementalist builds. All you're basicly doing is hitting the same button combo every time. Also, than I would say glyph of concentration is more boring, because AV actually requires some kind of skill to use (if you can call counting a skill).
At the graspings glyph or AV probably doesn't make a big difference, but it does at the smites. Without AV you CAN'T kill a group in 1 combo (like said before). You can body block them into a corner (which you always should do anyway), but that is no guarentee to kill them if you didn't bring AV.

Bringing AV just to avoid 'fear me' spam (which has been nerfed now anyway, like you said) was never the main reason to bring it anyway. Right now you can even kill graspings without glyph/AV if you just cast your combo after their D'blows. They'll be dead before their skullcrack has charged.

Kenny Mack · Mar 06, 2008, 02:56 PM // 14:56

yea u shldnt notice any e-management issues on the typical ecto smite farm

to sum up, u can use the build at the start of this thread, it works, but swap av for glyph of concentration and ul save urself time/money

good luck folks

Kenny

Kenny Mack · Mar 06, 2008, 03:00 PM // 15:00

to Koning

yes u can easily kill smites in one combo without visage

and even if u dont, aftershock is a 10sec recharge, not long considering sandstorm is still in effect once uv hit it for the first time.

there is nothing wrong with using visage, but through experience (extensive) i find running glyph instead of visage is better

Kenny

Swamp Fox · Mar 06, 2008, 11:21 PM // 23:21

i have used glyph of concentration on the SS E/Me build since the day after visages were nerfed(or whatever you prefer to call it) maybe i suck at timing visages, but i find glyph build easier

Resident · Mar 07, 2008, 05:37 AM // 05:37

Well, my build is screwed because of the flame djinn nerf. I really don't know why they had to nerf it.

Talarian · Mar 07, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

Because some PvP team pwned all with Flame Djinn's? That's all I can think of...

Kaleban · Mar 07, 2008, 11:22 PM // 23:22

As has been said, this build is very effective in some ways, but could use improvement.

Glyph of Concentration is a must for me at least, in most cases the graspings don't all use their interrupts at the same time and seem to stagger them out, and its not difficult as fast as they attack even in normal mode to build up 4 adrenaline. I haven't even noticed "Fear Me" being used, but I run with about 80 energy, so its a non issue. And besides, you're getting back two energy per hit, so that would even cancel out the energy loss easily.

Flame Djinn was great, but a bit overpowered, it was a 25% running skill that was renewable before it ran out, in addition to having a huge PBAoE effect on par with skills like Inferno. Compare that with Strom Djinn's haste which has a detrimental (albeit small) effect that is barely noticeable as a running skill.

And as to the comment of the MS/Bed build being better, I find that with an Ele primary, using damage reduction skills, its better to use high damage faster recharge skills that are dependable, like Sandstorm or Savannah Heat for farming. On A/E builds that rely on Shadowform, or E/As for that matter, it makes sense to use the highest damage/shortest time formula even if the recharges are high to ENSURE the farmed creatures are dead before you end up with 51 health.

So in short, E/x using Earth based damage reduction should go with skills like Sandstorm, A/x or x/A using Shadowform MUST kill their targets before SF runs out. Sorry for stating the obvious lol.

Resident · Mar 08, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

Well, the reason why i use Donut Tzar's build cause i farm the Chaos Planes and the bone pits as well. Screw the smites, i hardly get 1 ecto/run. Clearing the chaos planes takes 40mins and i get minimum 4 ecto.

Of course its not as safe as the smite run but hell yeah, I love it, we need some challenge. Oh, and now i use the glyph of swiftness with flamedjinn so it's renewable again