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Apr 29, 2008, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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You were still using level 5-7 pets last you talked. That's still just blah.

That's why minions are generaly superior. They can die, and you don't care, you just make more. They also don't get death penalty (I think pets do, but I'm not sure).

Seriously, try it with Dire animals, and see if that helps.

The pets are 20 now, 540 hp, 80 armor, much heartier than lvl 11-12 MM bomber minions. Pets do not get DP in pve, and in yesterday's conservative run, all of ten seconds was spent ressing them. I tried dire pets on my rit with heroes and they die more without any meaningful benefit. Still have dire pets on my rit ranger heroes, and they work fine, but wish they were hearty for HM. The rationale for pets has been covered but will rehash in summary:

1. For four total slots on the heroes' bars, you get a 1620 point party hp pool buff with no energy or upkeep.

2. Because they close to melee range, they soak off lots of aggro and spells, and body block mobs.

3. They trigger barbs and if near death, are treated by the MM as any other minion bomb and serve that purpose well.

4. Maybe most importantly, in H/H builds that use a MM, during times when no minions are up yet, or all the minions are exploded, they serve as a pre meatshield.

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Apr 29, 2008, 09:36 PM // 21:36

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I've been looking all along to grind rep with a lazy build on the human end that doesn't have to micro that much. D-slash is too much micro, as is SY.

Laziness is no excuse for a bad player bar and clicking skills on a player bar is not 'micro'. Given you're familiar with Wikipedia, "micromanagement is a management style where a manager closely observes or controls the work of their employees." In gaming terms, it relates to the need to manage many small details in computer games.

As it applies to GW, micro has nothing to do with your own skillbar, it's related to whether or not you (the manager) manage your hero (employees) skill usage, positioning and tactics for them. There's almost no micro in PvE whereas there's a great deal of it in Hero Battles.

Clicking 8 player skill icons is management, not micromanagement. I don't micro my Hero skillbars, they merrily carve a path of destruction on their own.

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Ya, quasi godmode sounds real fast.

Need I remind you, SY was in your own build! SY is rarely used and not needed, I'll do another 45 or less run without it on the bar -

...oops! I did it again. 44 mins, no SY, no consumables. Still gunning for 40 mins without cheating, I don't think a H/H 35 min run is achievable without a conset.

There's no secret path through the zone, no tank'n'spank tactics, no consumable buffs, just a solid team build. Keep QQ'ing, you're 22 minutes behind with or without SY. Dismissing rock-hard solid proof with your "aaww but but" excuses is lame. That's assuming you did manage 66 mins, you're yet to post proof. Cheat with a conset and i'll know, i've done the same run on the same path with your build and know it's capabilities.

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Unfortunately, I'd have to spend well over 100 hours to grind out SY to the 4 second level and in that time, I can have the warr to r10 norn with the OP build several times over. Do the math...

Not having the skills to run a decent bar is a poor excuse for posting a weak build. Your W/P bar is the slowest bar i've ever had the displeasure of running.

You want people to run your build, otherwise you wouldn't have posted it nor so vehemently defended it. So far you've used laziness, lack of skills, lack of titles and strategic wipes to defend poor skill choices, yet you're attempting to sell it to other players as a great build. You've used the words "easiest", "fastest", "extremely high damage". I haven't been arrogant enough to make any of these bold statements, all i've done is proven that you're wrong. And all you do is keep making excuses and questioning the validity of absolute proof whilst posting no proof of your own to the contrary.

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The OP build offers both speed and ease.

A terribad W/P bar and Necs with Pets and Bows adds nothing to the build nor does it make HM VF runs fast or easy, let alone fun. There are also much better ways to use Pets without taking Bows. I've run your build yet you haven't run mine so I'm in the better position to make a subjective comparison. This is not enough for you, so i've presented objective evidence to dispute your unproven claims. You have offered no hard evidence that your build is either fast or easy to run, i wholeheartedly dispute both claims. And then there's the 'extremely high damage' BS!

There are much faster and easier ways to clear the zone with neither Pets nor Bows. I could go even faster with Sabway which flies in the face of your claim that your own build is faster, it definitely is not. Or i could just join an Ursan group, mash 1,2,3 and do two easy, fast runs in the time it takes you to drag your dead weight through the zone.

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Once more, when I do the run without SY/SOF in 50isih minutes, I will expect you to renege on your discrediting the OP build.

Lol, you're kidding right? Posting a meh time with a meh build does not earn you kudos for a job meh done. Beat my times (they will continue to drop) and you can gloat that RotN and Necs with Pets / Bows is awesomesauce. Until then your build will remain inferior, despite your protestations. Every build i've posted eats your's for breakfast, your "year worth of experimentation" was bested within a few hours. I'll repeat that I consider myself an average player, the big boys haven't bothered to show up in this pissing contest.

I applaud your competitive spirit, it's fun to have a sparring partner, but you're making this too easy for me. You doggedly stand by a sub-par build for no good reason - just admit you like sluggish skillbars and Necs with Pets and Bows and be done with it, because that's only logical conclusion one can reach for running your build. It's not easy, it's not fast, it's not extremely damaging and most of all it's not fun. The only thing it does well is party wiping.

I seriously don't understand why you keep posting in this thread. Let it die and your build fade into obscurity where it belongs. You've posted better builds in other threads, i don't know why you're so attached to this one.

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May 05, 2008, 01:05 AM // 01:05	#83
Mickey Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: Eternal Insight Profession: D/	Beat that Antithesis Ogden is extremely good at HB. Me and a few friends went on a rampage in Cantha HM last night, and Ogden held his own even in the toughest of situations. Last edited by Mickey; May 05, 2008 at 01:23 AM // 01:23..

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May 05, 2008, 03:46 AM // 03:46

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Beat that Antithesis

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Nice work Mickey...I was limited to a W/P Spearchucker and H/H in the race with draugr

Haven't bothered to do the run since, 40 mins was my target so damn nice job!

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May 05, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Nice work Mickey...I was limited to a W/P Spearchucker and H/H in the race with draugr

Haven't bothered to do the run since, 40 mins was my target so damn nice job!

You have access to an AoE speed boost, I didn't. But I was with a bud. So it evens out.

I'm looking forward to your 39 minute time xD.

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