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Elite Bushido · Jul 02, 2008, 09:45 PM // 21:45

we are gonna have to become big degeners since SF is just 50% less DMG dealt,
degening being excluded.
but what could be a actually good energy sufficient build?

EDIT* also who isnt getting the update? i know im not until im forced out of the game

Kyomi Tachibana · Jul 02, 2008, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Jagged Strike+Signet of Infection+Ether Nightmare mayhaps?

mistokibbles · Jul 02, 2008, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Jagged, Black spider,ether nghtmare..some other skills and epidemic?

-Lotus- · Jul 02, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

degen sucks. it always has. youll still be able to do more damage with splinter or something.

Elite Bushido · Jul 02, 2008, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by -Lotus-

degen sucks. it always has. youll still be able to do more damage with splinter or something.

well if you actually think logically, graspings and mindblades have pretty low Hp to begin with

Also, maybe we are gonna have to become dual farmers? sucks but... better then smites anyways

A Simple Farmer · Jul 02, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

I just ran it with this build to see the UW changes. Got 2 ecto
[build=OwZTo4+85R6zj0ZIDcxwosmmBA]

I just spammed Lava Font and Flame Djinn's Haste. They died a bit slower, but not much. I think the big Nerf is there are 4 less groups.

Hmm maybe next run I'll bring glyph of immolation (does it work with font?). oh yeah the last 2 skills are totally optional, I'm sure you could sub whatever you want in there...

luminoire · Jul 02, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

why degen?

you can still use lava font and it'll kill faster than degen imo.
just don't MoR with your sub50 hp or you'll die from hexbreaker.

FoxBat · Jul 03, 2008, 01:54 AM // 01:54

Or we could run obsflesh for chaos plains, now that it's clearly superior. >_>

ikarop · Jul 03, 2008, 02:30 AM // 02:30

how much time is the normal for the run now? after about 30 min if you messed up a bit, now with the 4 groups?

Yobs · Jul 03, 2008, 04:17 AM // 04:17

SF can still do plains with burning speed (well dream riders and blades), ObF can probably do smites, plains and pools. Interesting to see which is more viable. ObF for all 3 may go back to bed of coals and meteor shower, with sliver and ward of stability for pools.

Still the sin fire build will prolly win out for efficiency and silly ease of use still. I guess SF ecto farming will stay the same as 3 less groups and 10 extra minutes is only nerfing it to 1/3 efficiency. Still very easy fast and easy ecto cf other methods.

I actually preferred the days of ObF ecto farming...more living on the edge

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Yobs

Dark Paladin X · Jul 03, 2008, 05:17 AM // 05:17

Naw, we just give up, I used the sliver build to farm greens for my heroes. It is now just plain useless.

Marverick · Jul 03, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

Burning Speed version can probably do Smites too. Just run as much health as possible and all the +armor against fire that you can, plus Shadow Refuge to heal the damage that gets through.

Bad Joe · Jul 03, 2008, 06:44 AM // 06:44

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Originally Posted by luminoire

why degen?

you can still use lava font and it'll kill faster than degen imo.
just don't MoR with your sub50 hp or you'll die from hexbreaker.

Why not degen + damage? Frigid Armor + Burning Speed + Lava Font works like charm. Just watch your energy and don't overdamage them. And don't cast Burning Speed without Frigid Armor

[Post-Nerf UW Sin;OwZUo4l5l/OSfekObYczQGtTcBA]

DeviantTeknique · Jul 03, 2008, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by Marverick

Burning Speed version can probably do Smites too. Just run as much health as possible and all the +armor against fire that you can, plus Shadow Refuge to heal the damage that gets through.

I tried this, smites spam mend condition on each other

Mr. Undisclosed · Jul 03, 2008, 04:23 PM // 16:23

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Originally Posted by Kyomi Tachibana

Jagged Strike+Signet of Infection+Ether Nightmare mayhaps?

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Originally Posted by mistokibbles

Jagged, Black spider,ether nghtmare..some other skills and epidemic?

Ether nightmare+Hexbreaker=dead player

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Originally Posted by Dark Palindin X

Naw, we just give up, I used the sliver build to farm greens for my heroes. It is now just plain useless.

Seriously I think we get the picture, you don't need to QQ in every thread about your greens >_>

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Originally Posted by Bad Joe

Why not degen + damage? Frigid Armor + Burning Speed + Lava Font works like charm. Just watch your energy and don't overdamage them. And don't cast Burning Speed without Frigid Armor

I think I'll try that when I get home.

Kyomi Tachibana · Jul 03, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Ether nightmare+Hexbreaker=dead player

He didn't exactly specify UW.

Ken34 · Jul 04, 2008, 12:18 AM // 00:18

so can a SF ele still wipe raptors in one go? or what?

Marverick · Jul 04, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59

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Originally Posted by DeviantTeknique

I tried this, smites spam mend condition on each other

Wow I never noticed Smites had this... lol

I think it could work with [Radiation Field] though... -6 degen for 5 seconds every 14 seconds = 60 damage every 14 seconds. Smites don't get disease (I don't think) and they have 0 DF in normal mode so they can't heal themselves.

However, whether it's worth it or not....

DeviantTeknique · Jul 05, 2008, 12:44 AM // 00:44

could work as long as you can survive the initial bursts of damage from zealots, degen doesn't trigger reversal or divine intervention (right?) so the only heals they would get would be from divine favor.

Heres the problem I see (w/o trying ofc)
It would take a while (like 10ish casts to kill a smite) so to make it worthwhile you'd need to gather em all up as best as possible. Unless you aggro the coldfires as well, have to do em separate, coldfires will damage the smites and make em heal themselves and I'm not sure how SF interacts with something like maelstrom if it's cast next to you but they do have PBAoE frozen burst which does break SF (right?).

So from what I know about smite runs you clear the smites with at best in 4-5 groups (2 on the right side, 2-3 on the left?) 10 casts of a 12 recharge skill 4 times? might be a bit to long, likely better to share runs with a VwK?

shulkor · Jul 05, 2008, 05:32 AM // 05:32

Since the change to Shadow Form I decided to use Radiantion Field in my Perma Sliver build for raptor farming. My runs are even quicker than before. As for using Radiation Field in The Chaos Plains I dont think so. I cant even be bothered to farm Plains anymore.