Curse

Fay Vert · Jul 10, 2008, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by Chico

People don't necessarily lie, if you make a run and do /age at exactly 1 min 59 secs then it will tell you "You have been in this map for 1 min.". So yeah, I make a lot of raptor runs in 1 GW minute (which means I fall between 1 and 2 minutes).

That I would agree with, but its not what they are staying, they are quoting, to the second, complete round trips, including zoning in and out Rata Sum. It is not possible to do this because of the distance to the cave and the running in the cave to agro the nestlings.

There is nothing new here, people very commonly exagerate their farming time and also loot gains. Its just boasting, and when its not even true, I call it. When I see a video proving the round trip in < 1 min then I will believe it. I'd allso like to point out the context of this, it started when Mickey implied that you are not good if you can't do it in <1 min.

blackknight1337 · Jul 10, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Sigh all you want, < 1 min is BS. I run ranger with 33% speed buff and no SF so full effect Sliver. I takes a minute to zone and run round the cave, let alone to start killing them.

Classic....really.

The same old "because I can't do it, you can't possibly have done it" bull.

Start with the 10-12 sec running in rata sum instead of popping up right inside the portal, I can't believe you've ever farmed raptors and didn't know that.....

Secondly, your pulling is probably done the wrong way. A proper pull used to get the 2 main moving groups, and the boss group. Whatever is along the way is bonus, there were usually 2-5 raptors at the opposite end of the cave that won't pull with the rest. Pulling all the raptors costs you at least another few seconds, as opposed to just getting the main groups and whatever else is on the way.

Thirdly, he was using fire to kill, not sliver. The damage chain that I remember using was ms, boc, and 1-2 point blank aoe. MS can either be glyphed, or you cast before raptors are on you, either way is up when they are balled up. Killing time is way way faster than sliver, with the downside that you can't kill the boss. When SF wasn't nerfed, it took at least 2 rounds of sliver to kill boss and most of the nestlings. Fire ele will be done and back in rata sum before your first sliver runs out.

And lastly, when you do 2000-3000 runs, you get very very smooth at them.

Edit: Oh yeah, and just saw the bit in one of your posts about taking 20-30 sec to aggro all the raptors....try half that. All you have to know is which raptors are in which groups.

Fay Vert · Jul 10, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

Oh, so we have gone from killing everythign including boss to just a few groups in there now. Sure, I agree you can do that, but that wasn't what was claimed was it? Just so long as we know the limits to the BS

I see we're back to the "you can't do it as well as I lie, so you must suck" implications again.

isamu kurosawa · Jul 10, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

I just use the W/Rt build and get a run done in about a minute. You kill less foes but in my experience the amount of drops are about the same anyway.

blackknight1337 · Jul 10, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Oh, so we have gone from killing everythign including boss to just a few groups in there now. Sure, I agree you can do that, but that wasn't what was claimed was it? Just so long as we know the limits to the BS

I see we're back to the "you can't do it as well as I lie, so you must suck" implications again.

First off, neither of the people you call liars ever said they kill rekoff. Its pretty well known that the fire build won't kill him either. In fact, you even assumed that they use sliver, which isn't true for many of the people who used to do raptors.

Second, fire build usually kills ~26-28 of the nestlings before the flame djinn's nerf. If you call that "just a few groups in the cave" then w/e. A couple of nestlings at the far end of the other entrance aren't worth the time it takes to kill them.

You can call BS all you want, the fact is you seem to have little or no experience on the run to start with, and you are great at making assumptions that are not based on facts at all.

Fay Vert · Jul 10, 2008, 09:16 PM // 21:16

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

First off, neither of the people you call liars ever said they kill rekoff.

Okay, this is true, I did make the assumption that these l33t SF farmers could do something that a "little or no experience" noob like me can do.

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

Its pretty well known that the fire build won't kill him either. In fact, you even assumed that they use sliver, which isn't true for many of the people who used to do raptors.

I asked if this was a sliver build, it wasn't denied.

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

Second, fire build usually kills ~26-28 of the nestlings before the flame djinn's nerf. If you call that "just a few groups in the cave" then w/e. A couple of nestlings at the far end of the other entrance aren't worth the time it takes to kill them.

This is probably the main area of confusion. I kill everything, I think the extra10-15 seconds to round up the other 6 worth it.

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

You can call BS all you want, the fact is you seem to have little or no experience on the run to start with, and you are great at making assumptions that are not based on facts at all.

As I said, I did try to check my assumptions, and nobody ever stated tehy were wrong. I never claim that others have little or no experience, that would be a stupid thing to do. The fact that I am stating timings and debating run techniques, numbers etc and calling people out on outlandish claims seems pretty good evidence that I know the run very well, different build for sure, I am a ranger, but I know the run, which is why I know the timings of the run, even without the kills they don't stack up as presented, and I use 33% speed buff.

Killing only the main groups without much cave running would save some time for sure, but that was never stated, even when challenged, no evidence for the claims presented. If anyone would care to post a video...

isamu kurosawa · Jul 10, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Okay, this is true, I did make the assumption that these l33t SF farmers could do something that a "little or no experience" noob like me can do.

The other builds cannot kill rekoff but are not designed too. Everyone else could use a different build if they wished to kill her.

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

This is probably the main area of confusion. I kill everything, I think the extra10-15 seconds to round up the other 6 worth it.

10-15 secs to round up and much longer to kill them. It is more efficient to just leave the boss, resulting in the so called BS run times.

Fay Vert · Jul 10, 2008, 09:34 PM // 21:34

Not killing Rekoff puts a big dent in the profitability of the run, no elite tomes or UW scrolls etc.

blackknight1337 · Jul 10, 2008, 10:53 PM // 22:53

To clarify exact run times, some of these are direct from your posts fay.

zone in - lets say 3 sec
run to the cave - 20 sec (which is what you said before)
pulling nestlings - can be done in 10 sec with speed boost
killing -ms is a 5 sec cast, but you by no means have to do it only after the nestlings are balled up. you can safely do it right after you aggro the boss group, since it will actually take 8 sec till the first kd hits. The rest of the damage chain is easily under 8 sec. If nothing else you can wait till they ball up and glyph sac ms if you brought glyph. so total is 10 sec or so.
picking up drops - 3 sec or so?
resign - 2 sec
zone back into outpost 3 sec
run into portal from there - 1 sec

sums up about 52 sec, gives kotte 5 sec room for error.

also, kotte specifically said he used fire build instead of sliver.

whether or not you think its worth it to kill another few nestlings and spend an additional 25% worth of time to do so, most would say its not worth it.
as far as killing the boss goes, the primary reason people do the run is event items, not to get a 3k elite tome or a 800g scroll, both of which drop maybe once every 50 runs at the least. Thats at least another dozen runs at 1 min each, which are far more likely to get you 4-5k worth of stuff, and most likely more.

Fay Vert · Jul 11, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Yes, the timings look possible for a partial, non-boss run. Did we establish if these are NM or HM?

Mickey also claimed 20 drops in a 1 min run. Best not comment on that one.

Perhaps if people claiming such prowess could back it up, or even qualify it before claiming people aren't good by taking > 1 min. (and lol at an SF raptor farmers claiming skill

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blackknight1337 · Jul 11, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Yes, the timings look possible for a partial, non-boss run. Did we establish if these are NM or HM?

Mickey also claimed 20 drops in a 1 min run. Best not comment on that one.

Perhaps if people claiming such prowess could back it up, or even qualify it before claiming people aren't good by taking > 1 min. (and lol at an SF raptor farmers claiming skill

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HM, duh. Otherwise killing would take ~ 1 sec (time to cast flame burst). Seriously....

Obviously if you don't kill 1 raptor, the run can be classified as partial...but I would love to have seen an hour of kotte or mickey farming vs any hour of you running nestlings, (on event weekend of course, since hardly anyone runs them otherwise), and see what the difference is. I would laugh even harder to see you spending an extra 15 sec to kill 1 last raptor.

20 drops on 1 run....is completely possible. If he says he gets 20 drops every run...now thats bull. I've seen runs that certainly had close to that, considering that a creature can drop both an event item, and also a regular one. I've seen that many on a sliver run before, considering rekoff can drop 4 items, not counting an event drop.

Skill in raptor farming? Well they certainly are better than you at farming raptor nestlings.

I would agree, however, that farming raptors =! skill. How fast you can do it certainly has some skill however, it takes lots of practice to cut time off farm runs. For instance, when SF farming was the rage in UW, everyone could do it. But there were relatively few who could do it faster than the rest, because they were more skillful at doing the run with the 8 skills on their bar. I saw many a complaint about the charged blackness sitting at the entrance to chaos plains, yet i will also say that i never once failed to outsmart them and get into the plains.

Fay Vert · Jul 11, 2008, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

Skill in raptor farming? Well they certainly are better than you at farming raptor nestlings.

I am happy for them to be able to boast that. I spend my time on more challenging and interesting persuits than exploiting a bit of poor game design 3000 times and then telling people how good you are.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jul 11, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

Fay...you totally took this thread and turned it into a big pile of /fail.

Fay Vert · Jul 11, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Fay...you totally took this thread and turned it into a big pile of /fail.

Actually, if you read page one you will see that the 1 min SF raptor farm bragging rights started well before I came in by Mickey and Kotte. Though I admit I should have just let it go much earlier. I will now.

Mr.Kotte · Jul 11, 2008, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Fay Vert

Then post a video and I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. Until then...

As I said several posts ago, this was all before the -50% SF nerf, making a video using the nuking build I used then is therefore impossible.
Just stop taking over the thread for +1's, tyvm

Voodoo Rage · Jul 11, 2008, 04:43 PM // 16:43

I wouldn't classify a raptor run as successful unless you get 25 kills which is the minimal break for Asuran rep and REALLY I would say that you should kill the Broodmother.

royal mercenary · Jul 12, 2008, 12:09 PM // 12:09

i m really sure that it can be done in 58 seconds
so stop whining about it, even know i can do it in 73seconds (without zoning), and mods pls close or delete the thread,
nothing usefull is said inhere, except some people keep arguing because they never make it that fast...

Mr.Kotte · Jul 12, 2008, 01:30 PM // 13:30

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Originally Posted by royal mercenary

nothing usefull is said inhere, except some people keep arguing because they never make it that fast...

/agree
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Warriorsrmint · Jul 12, 2008, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte

/agree
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Yeh i thought it was supposed to be help this dude find soe good spots not rant about if you think someone is BS'ing about their time and posting your best ones...

Drake Aran · Jul 12, 2008, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Just let go, man. Spending entire days farming the same, boring thing just clearly shows how much GW is becoming lesser and lesser funny each day, aiming at a "nerd-only" target. I don't see the point in playing a game that requires you to spend your very life playing at it just to make a bit of a cash. Bah! Happy farming. Oh yeah...I forgot! You're not happy at all!