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Cookies Loves You · Aug 22, 2008, 12:17 AM // 00:17

Well recently stopped trying to bring chaos planes farming back from alternative builds =(. And decided to join the whole SC thing, but the problem is that ive searched the forums and PvX wiki for a decent build on Vale Sin, all i get is an ele running a sin bar that IMO can be equally ran by sins. So i was wondering, if anyone minds putting their heads together to make a comprehensive Vale Sin Guide. Screen shots would be great too and a video? even better =) thanks alot.

t3dw4rd0 · Aug 22, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25

I was wondering this too. Couldn't you, in theory use the terra bar on a sin and put in like earth attunement for e-mgmt? Maybe take some points out of shadow arts so you can put it in air magic to help sliver armor recharge?

MrGuildBoi · Aug 22, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

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[skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill][skill]Shadow Form[/skill][skill]Golden Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Lotus Strike[/skill][skill]Death Blossom[/skill][skill]Chilblains[/skill][skill]Shadow Refuge[/skill][skill]Death's Charge[/skill]

I think this is the build.

Covah · Aug 22, 2008, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by t3dw4rd0

I was wondering this too. Couldn't you, in theory use the terra bar on a sin and put in like earth attunement for e-mgmt? Maybe take some points out of shadow arts so you can put it in air magic to help sliver armor recharge?

In Vale the ghost won't attack you so sliver is out of the question. Chillblains is to strip IW so they can't hurt the npcs. Then you wail on them with your daggers and the Necros help.

original. · Aug 22, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

and for people who do not have eotn, is there a replacement for lotus strike?
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gigahertz205 · Aug 22, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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Originally Posted by original.

and for people who do not have eotn, is there a replacement for lotus strike?
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You really cant replace it because you need the energy to cast chil. The only replacement i can think of is black lotus strike, which is also a lead attack so you need to drop DC for a off hand atack. Im not too sure though. I suggest you try perma instead, which does not require any eotn skills.

therangereminem · Aug 22, 2008, 02:58 AM // 02:58

i use my sin over my ele for the reason of keeping sliver up more often then ele's

moutain build is this [[moutain sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIXEHcB0lBA]]
pools is this [[pools sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tsBC3BA]]
or [[pools sin with cupcake;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tcBE3BA]]
smits sins [[wastes sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tM0xlBA]]
pits sin [[pits sin;Owpk4Jf7olyEPiOjMoA2FonTADuD]]

Cookies Loves You · Aug 22, 2008, 03:09 AM // 03:09

Yea this is really helpful guys =D. Now just tips on the run some SC maybe a vid or 2 then a guide can be made for noobs like me =DD.

gigahertz205 · Aug 22, 2008, 03:29 AM // 03:29

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

i use my sin over my ele for the reason of keeping sliver up more often then ele's

moutain build is this [[moutain sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIXEHcB0lBA]]
pools is this [[pools sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tsBC3BA]]
or [[pools sin with cupcake;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tcBE3BA]]
smits sins [[wastes sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tM0xlBA]]
pits sin [[pits sin;Owpk4Jf7olyEPiOjMoA2FonTADuD]]

Deep wound > cracked armor. Take "Finish Him" instead of shell shock.

People still prefer eles over sins just because eles can do more damage. and unless your in a guild group, i find that A/Es have hard time getting in.

As to learn the roles of the eles, its faster to find a guild that does this everyday because they will teach you even though they know the runs will take longer.

Bahamuth · Aug 22, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

I have two questions:

What rank is generally needed for Radiation Field? Does it even matter that much?

Shouldn't the Pools assassin have some kind of anti-KD, like Ward of Stability or I am Unstoppable?

Thanks

Tender Care · Aug 22, 2008, 10:47 AM // 10:47

i use this build for chaos plains, but works great also for pits!

[deadly paradox] [shadow form] [aura of holy might] [attacker's insight] [chilling victory] [lyssa's assault] [zealous sweep] [eremites attack]

fast and safe for energy management!

therangereminem · Aug 22, 2008, 11:08 AM // 11:08

ok so yo uthink eles do more damge over time sin do you need to learn that, pople just dont hink thats why

witha sin sliver recharges 6 sec faster thena ele in 1 mi n a sin will do more damage with thena ele . take 4 horsmen for example i will always beat the eles on his side.

and deep would over crack armor is bull , pu it this way i do moutains ith my build in under 6 min from start on good runs and bad i do 10 min tops. the deep would is nice but fniish him is junk .

fniish him only works when there below 50% shell shock works at all times and is spamable finish im is not
wheni do moutains i change targets to much becuz thy die to fast for finish him to have any use, same thign with pools and plains , been usingit for smits too it spikes slver bad where i dont need any self heal.

please learn this one thign ele dont own for damage, the more you can use a skill the more it will do over time and in uw dmage over time is better

t3dw4rd0 · Aug 22, 2008, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

i use my sin over my ele for the reason of keeping sliver up more often then ele's

moutain build is this [[moutain sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIXEHcB0lBA]]
pools is this [[pools sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tsBC3BA]]
or [[pools sin with cupcake;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tcBE3BA]]
smits sins [[wastes sin;OwZTgmE/ZS6TnhHCZIX0tM0xlBA]]
pits sin [[pits sin;Owpk4Jf7olyEPiOjMoA2FonTADuD]]

Uhh wouldn't it be better to use paradox over swiftness? Plus if you're using consets, a speed buff isn't really necessary right? I'd replace that with I am unstoppable or ward of stability.
Edit: I'm mostly looking at the pools build. I'd opt for feigned neutrality over death's charge if a ward is subbed in.

Damian979 · Aug 22, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14

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Originally Posted by therangereminem

With a sin, sliver recharges 6 sec faster then an ele, so in 1 min a sin will do more damage then an ele. Take 4 horsemen for example, I will always beat the eles on his side.

Maybe I am missing something. What aspect of being a sin makes skills recharge faster than any other class?

Eles can raise there earth magic higher creating a longer duration and more damage. Besides, [glyph of swiftness] is not necessary for shadowform if you are using cons.

Btw, fixed some of the grammar there for you so it doesn't hurt so much to read.

Crippie its Tom · Aug 23, 2008, 05:48 AM // 05:48

you infact can replace lotus strike. at the cost of a shadow step you can take critical eye+zelious daggers of enchanting+5e and then the standard 4 sec recharge blossom spamming chain.