Curse

Koning · Feb 08, 2007, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Well, the way itself is very easy, but killing mindblades is a pain in the ass because of all their interrupts. I managed to kill only 1 yet, and i've tried several times. Its most of the time based on luck if you can get VwK+resillent weapon up..

Stixxx · Feb 08, 2007, 10:10 AM // 10:10

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Originally Posted by Flightmare

Groups of 4 or 5 are not uncommon, and 3+ causes scatter.

i've had plenty of +3 groups and they hardly scatter.
groups of 4 dont scatter, but 5 and up scatter.

if the smites cant keep enough pressure on you they wont scatter either. When u lure a group, there are almost always 3 smites bashing u constantly, while the other one or two scatters to regen.
groups of 4 wont scatter because there is only 1 that can retreat while the others keep taking damage, so eventually 1 will die, and scatter will end.

Kratos Gowar · Feb 08, 2007, 10:24 PM // 22:24

I'm waiting for a video of the full run, it would be very, very useful ^_^

Batou of Nine · Feb 09, 2007, 06:51 PM // 18:51

I been playing around with Witte's build to try and eek out a faster method for just the smite run. Since they use RoF i can't use anything else but the lifestealing skills, so then i thought of the best way to constantly fuel them... I'd like some input about either A) a way to increase my kill rate, or B) additional ways to fuel/spam VwK and Vengeful.

This is what i got so far...

Tactics 12 (9+3)
Strength 10 (9+1)
Restoration 12

[skill]Vengeful Was Khanhei[/skill][skill]Vengeful Weapon[/skill][skill]Bonetti's Defense[/skill][skill]Dolyak Signet[/skill][skill]"To the Limit!"[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]Riposte[/skill] -or- [skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill][skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill]

Attributes are for certain breakpoints:: @ 10 Str = 12 second Enraging, @ 12 Tactics = 10 second Bonetti's & 5 Adrenaline "To the Limit!"

It is setup so that i can kill Graspings very fast, and get to the smites quickly. This build is only fast with practice. This build concentrates on being able to constantly fuel Bonetti's, VwK and Vengeful.

For Graspings, you have Riposte to help you increase rate of damage. Only use this in the few seconds of downtime between Bonetti's and VwK. "To the Limit!" is obviously there for adrenaline gain, as well as enraging Charge for emergency adrenaline gain, which in turn is also ur run skill... The timing for skills vs Graspings usually looks like this::

Enraging -> Auto hit (2x) -> Bonnetti's (Get full/close to full energy) -> VwK -> Dolyak (follows VwK closely, increases ur healing intake from VwK) -> "To the Limit!" -> Vengeful spamming (during VwK and afterwards, if Ripostes or Bonetti's are not ready) -> Repeat (starting at Auto hits, Enraging shouldnt be needed too often if at all during the actual fight)

All in all, to increase my dmg the build is setup to gain adrenaline ASAP which in turn can fuel my energy, which in turn lets me spam the dmg skills. With practice the timing chain isnt even needed and you would be able to spam VwK and Vengeful more often. Btw, my gear is:: +5 energy/+30 hp weapon, +12 energy 20 HCT/20 HCR Restoration offhand. This helps you be able to use VwK and Vengeful more often from the higher energy and chance of faster recharges. A +5en^50%hp/20 HCR restoration wand would be good too...

Anyway, as you can see i only have Signet of Stamina for an emergency if i am too low on hp and need a few seconds between VwKs. ***The above pattern is also applicable for smites, but do NOT use Ripostes vs Smites!*** All the skill choices synergize REAL well with eachother like VwK/Dolyak 20 second recharge...

So, there is my variation for the Smite run, which greatly increases my kill time on Graspings (can consistently kill em all in well under 10 min), and a system which helps fuel the dmg skills vs the smites. I have now completed about 15 successful runs with this build since first adjusting it to as it is now... Any more ideas? Btw, thanks to Witte Was for the inspiration (and basically the whole basis of the build, LOL!)

cheers!

Witte Was · Feb 09, 2007, 07:44 PM // 19:44

That looks pretty....wow. First thing I thought was: no sprint? but I think that's your 8th skill

I'm definately going to try this out as soon as possible

thanks!

Dronte · Feb 09, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

I have done this run a lot of times, and it looks like ecto drops aren't so good these days. I kill graspings and then all the smites, and usual ecto drop looks the following: 1 ecto, 0e, 1e, 0e... I'm sure that I kill all the smites, and I do missions or other farming places often, but it isn't better. I'm interested in other farmer's ecto droprates.

Batou of Nine · Feb 09, 2007, 08:20 PM // 20:20

i still think its completely random, but Witte Was suggested doing farming/doing a mission after like 10 UW runs, which i think is a good number to aim for.

My rates have been pretty good. Now im not talking 2-3 ecto a run. 1 ecto per run is actually a good rate. I do about 8 runs a day, after which i usually average 5-6 ecto in total. The drop rate for them was never that high, so a rate of 1ecto then zero then 1 then zero is about normal. The people who say they got 2 or more in one run, just happened to get VERY lucky and this freak incident prolly wouldn't happen again to them...

Overall, i just enjoy doing the run and one main reason i go is cause i really want a Gloom Shield out of them darn chests. LoL, not a single one after probly about 60 runs now. haha.

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Originally Posted by Witte Was

That looks pretty....wow. First thing I thought was: no sprint? but I think that's your 8th skill

I'm definately going to try this out as soon as possible

thanks!

Heh, thx. Not sure what you mean by my "8th skill". You don't need Sprint cause i am using Enraging Charge, which in turn is also a good adrenaline source. That skill is waht you prolly was referring to as the "8th skill"? Anywhoo, ya its still quite safe, and fun!

cheers!

Witte Was · Feb 09, 2007, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Heh, thx. Not sure what you mean by my "8th skill". You don't need Sprint cause i am using Enraging Charge, which in turn is also a good adrenaline source. That skill is waht you prolly was referring to as the "8th skill"? Anywhoo, ya its still quite safe, and fun!

cheers!

oops, I'm still a n00b sometimes

ignore what I said about the 8th skill I forgot Enraging Charge.xD

Dronte · Feb 09, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

i still think its completely random, but Witte Was suggested doing farming/doing a mission after like 10 UW runs, which i think is a good number to aim for.

My rates have been pretty good. Now im not talking 2-3 ecto a run. 1 ecto per run is actually a good rate. I do about 8 runs a day, after which i usually average 5-6 ecto in total. The drop rate for them was never that high, so a rate of 1ecto then zero then 1 then zero is about normal. The people who say they got 2 or more in one run, just happened to get VERY lucky and this freak incident prolly wouldn't happen again to them...

Overall, i just enjoy doing the run and one main reason i go is cause i really want a Gloom Shield out of them darn chests. LoL, not a single one after probly about 60 runs now. haha.

Heh, thx. Not sure what you mean by my "8th skill". You don't need Sprint cause i am using Enraging Charge, which in turn is also a good adrenaline source. That skill is waht you prolly was referring to as the "8th skill"? Anywhoo, ya its still quite safe, and fun!

cheers!

Hm, I just asked because my guildmate said usually 2 ectos per runs, but he hasnt done so much runs. My luckiest run was 3 days ago, 3 ectos in 1 run ^^ (after that 3 runs without ecto lol)

Batou of Nine · Feb 12, 2007, 09:49 AM // 09:49

Well, i still use my variation of Witte Was' build. And have gotten quite fast...
My ecto drop rate has stayed at an average of 1 ecto per run, except for 2nights runs!

I usually only do a max of 6 runs a night. And 2night i have done only 3. Out of those 3 this is the ecto drop pattern... 3e . 1e . 2e.

The most freakish statistic i have EVER gotten on UW solo runs ever. 6 ecto after 3 runs? NICE! And i have been doing UW solo since the original 55 days, and never gotten it this nice... farmed 3 more runs. 0e . 0e . 1e.

It was definitly a phenomenon. This will happen again to me in 2 years... LOL!
Cheers!

Dronte · Feb 12, 2007, 02:54 PM // 14:54

Hm, after doing urgoz for 6 hours, I went to do an UW-run, 3 ectos in 1 run. Anti-farm exist? Imo yes. (oh and double drops nearly from all the smites and graspings, what has never happened with me be4)

Hm, the simple Rt/Me run faster than the warrior run?

Koning · Feb 12, 2007, 04:59 PM // 16:59

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Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Tactics 12 (9+3)
Strength 10 (9+1)
Restoration 12

[skill]Vengeful Was Khanhei[/skill][skill]Vengeful Weapon[/skill][skill]Bonetti's Defense[/skill][skill]Dolyak Signet[/skill][skill]"To the Limit!"[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]Riposte[/skill] -or- [skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill][skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill]

This is also what i've been using since a week or so, To the limit really helps recharging bonnetti's against the smites (I use enraging too lol) so you can spam vengefull weapon which really helps speeding the killing of 3+ smites. On top of that, I also have a restoration focus to give me xtra nrg for even more spamming (I feel the shield isn't really needed because you have dolyak on when vwk is down, and vengefull weapon is healing you or you are in bonnetti's)

Runs take me about 25 min

Koning · Feb 12, 2007, 05:01 PM // 17:01

lag...........sorry

Familliar Realm · Feb 12, 2007, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Koning

This is also what i've been using since a week or so, To the limit really helps recharging bonnetti's against the smites (I use enraging too lol) so you can spam vengefull weapon which really helps speeding the killing of 3+ smites. On top of that, I also have a restoration focus to give me xtra nrg for even more spamming (I feel the shield isn't really needed because you have dolyak on when vwk is down, and vengefull weapon is healing you or you are in bonnetti's)

Runs take me about 25 min

As I said before, the collector's restoration icon is an excellent offhand (Don't need the shield if you have Dragon/Dread's armor)

jbwarrior · Feb 13, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by Familliar Realm

As I said before, the collector's restoration icon is an excellent offhand (Don't need the shield if you have Dragon/Dread's armor)

Where is this collector located?

M I D G E T S · Feb 13, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

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Originally Posted by jbwarrior

Where is this collector located?

Vasbury Armory for crafter - 5k 150 dust 50 granite.

Koning · Feb 13, 2007, 04:30 PM // 16:30

i use a restoration focus with -5 20% and +30 hp from a collector in sulufrous wastes, you need 5 sandblasted lodestones.

I also use glads armor so my energy is 44 (dont need dragon/dread's)

Dronte · Feb 13, 2007, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Is the simple Rt/Me run faster than the warrior version?

DarioLeanza · Feb 14, 2007, 09:44 AM // 09:44

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Originally Posted by jbwarrior

Answers to question´s:

*For the run (including chaos plains and bone pits), smites, banished dreamriders, Mindblade spectres and the dead collectors and treshers drop ecto´s the rest doesn´t drop ecto´s.

* The best build:

1: Resilent weapon
2: VwK
3: Vengeful weapon or Soothing memories
4: Drunken-Desperation Blow
5: Bonetti´s Defence
6: Dolyak Signet
7: Healing Signet
8: Sprint

Smoothing is saver for in the chaos plains, because the spectre´s use "ignorance" so you can´t use healing signet. Also if you have VwK in your hands and you use Sm you gain 3 energy

.So this choice is up to you either Vw or Sm (skill 3).

Hopefully I answerd the question´s right for you guys

Greetz,

Mr Jorgen

I got 2 questions:
1. Why do you have drunken blow? I normally only clear the smites so I dont use drunken blow.
2. You only have sprint, so I guess you take break between the running from the first room to the smites. Break @ the stone entrace thingy, right behind the first stairs. Isn't it faster to use this:

1: Resilent weapon
2: VwK
3: Vengeful weapon or
4: Soothing memories
5: Bonetti´s Defence
6: Dolyak Signet
7: Enraging charge
8: Sprint

Or wont this work, still missing the point of bringing Drunken blow

Batou of Nine · Feb 14, 2007, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by DarioLeanza

I got 2 questions:
1. Why do you have drunken blow? I normally only clear the smites so I dont use drunken blow.
2. You only have sprint, so I guess you take break between the running from the first room to the smites. Break @ the stone entrace thingy, right behind the first stairs. Isn't it faster to use this:

1: Resilent weapon
2: VwK
3: Vengeful weapon or
4: Soothing memories
5: Bonetti´s Defence
6: Dolyak Signet
7: Enraging charge
8: Sprint

Or wont this work, still missing the point of bringing Drunken blow

If you are only doing smite runs, then try my variation of Witte's build::

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

Tactics 12 (9+3)
Strength 10 (9+1)
Restoration 12

[skill]Vengeful Was Khanhei[/skill][skill]Vengeful Weapon[/skill][skill]Bonetti's Defense[/skill][skill]Dolyak Signet[/skill][skill]"To the Limit!"[/skill][skill]Enraging Charge[/skill][skill]Riposte[/skill] -or- [skill]Deadly Riposte[/skill][skill]Signet of Stamina[/skill]

Explanation of specific use is in post #144 above. Witte's build is best for doing multiple areas of the UW. Enjoy!

Cheers!