Curse

royal mercenary · Aug 10, 2008, 04:37 PM // 16:37

Hi, now with the ursan
1. Obsi Tank
[Glyph Of Concentration][Obsidian Flesh][stoneflesh aura]["i am unstoppable][endure pain][dolyak signet][ward against foes][signet of stamina]

[armor of earth][stoneflesh aura][obsidian flesh][mystic regeneration][veil of thorns][armor of sanctity][fleeting stability][conviction]

2. Bip
[Blood is Power][blood renewal][masochism][extinguish][resurrect][rebirth][necrotic traversal][mending]

3. Monk: HB
[dwayna's kiss][ethereal light][dismiss condition][shield of absorption][heal party][glyph of lesser energy][healer's boon][resurrection chant]

4. Monk: SB
[dwayna's kiss][healing seed][arcane echo][seed of life][heal party][spell breaker][blessed aura][rebirth]

5. Monk: Bonder
[protective spirit][balthazar's spirit][life barrier][life bond][seed of life][blessed signet][mantra of inscriptions][resurrection chant]

6. CoP Mesmer version 1
[clumsiness][wandering eye][echo][arcane echo][ether nightmare][cry of pain] a res skill

7. CoP Mesmer version 2
[clumsiness][wandering eye][glyph of renewal][glyph of lesser energy][arcane echo][ether nightmare][cry of pain]

8. CoP Mesmer version 3
[Signet of illusion][arcane echo][cry of pain][ether nightmare][empathy][wandering eye][auspicious incantation] ( [deep freeze] or [meteor shower] or [flesh of my flesh] or [rebirth] or ... )

This only seems to be runned in german district, no idea why they are the only one.
But it can do Full HM Runs.

some guy · Aug 10, 2008, 05:14 PM // 17:14

I think there's also a version with signet of illusions

makosi · Aug 10, 2008, 06:16 PM // 18:16

GoE have been doing something very similar for months (and are predominantly Scandanavian fyi). We use the CoP version 3 because Sig of Illusions maxes out the title and utility skills without the need for grind or thin attribute spreading.

The tanks have the hardest job (even harder than the monks') because they make the difference between a clean kill or a party wipe. They have to learn the tanking locations, hold aggro and maintain their buffs, whereas the monks are simple healbots and the mesmers are, essentially, squishy nukers who sit in the safety of the backline until required.

It requires more thought than Ursan but at the core, it's just abusing imba PvE skills once again.

HackingHippie712 · Aug 10, 2008, 06:32 PM // 18:32

if your mesmer is high enough in SS and asuran why not a bar like this

[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build]
ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam

Rhamia Darigaz · Aug 10, 2008, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by HackingHippie712

if your mesmer is high enough in SS and asuran why not a bar like this

[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build]
ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam

maybe im just missing something, but what would make spamming two CoPs have a better domage output than spamming three CoPs?

royal mercenary · Aug 10, 2008, 06:43 PM // 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhamia Darigaz

maybe im just missing something, but what would make spamming two CoPs have a better domage output than spamming three CoPs?

cause of vision of regret

Also i ve seen a lot of mesmer / ranger , mesmer / warrior , mesmer / necro being wanted
Still don't know those builds cause of no'one is willing to share

royal mercenary · Aug 10, 2008, 06:49 PM // 18:49

how do you put the attributes within a build ?

The_Kai · Aug 10, 2008, 08:00 PM // 20:00

When u put like this

(build prof=E/Mo ene=10 fir=12 hea=8)(mark of rodgort)(searing flames)(glowing gaze)(liquid flame)(flame djinns haste)(aura of restoration)(fire attunement)(resurrect)(/build)

or

(W/E;OQYTg0IK5QqQlqdjpa9nCA)

Since ) and ( are ] and [, it being this:

[build prof=E/Mo ene=10 fir=12 hea=8][mark of rodgort][searing flames][glowing gaze][liquid flame][flame djinns haste][aura of restoration][fire attunement][resurrect][/build]

[W/E;OQYTg0IK5QqQlqdjpa9nCA]

royal mercenary · Aug 10, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

ok, i have all the builds now

With thanks to an awefull run with the germans, who were very critical (and i couldn't understand).
Though i noticed that all the work is for the tank, once he agroed the lot it is easy.
I'll post all builds tomorow after work

Joe Fierce · Aug 10, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Just a heads up, the SB monk can be dropped in favor of something else if the party is running an ele tank and an essence of celerity, constant obs flesh because of the 25% reduction on recharge, the ele tanks with mantra of earth do pretty beautifully better anyways, also another thing, a sugested skill for the cop mes with sig of illusions is weapon of shadow, it particularly helps with the cave because there will be rangers and paras coming at him crazy like and well, the paras got wild throw, so blocking out of the picture, and the rangers have savage shot to go crazy once the blocking is gone, the general answer that i get hen i make this statement is "well he's got signet of concentration" and my response is "is that non interruptable? cause i thought it was like a long cast".

[glyph of concentration]

oh wait, it is.

Quote:

Originally Posted by royal mercenary

Hi, now with the ursan

[armor of earth][stoneflesh aura][obsidian flesh][mystic regeneration][veil of thorns][armor of sanctity][fleeting stability][conviction]

Try [I am Unstoppable] or [Feel No Pain] or [Mind Bender] or even [Lightbringer Signet] or [Air of superiority] in place of conviction imo, yes i understand the intent of conviction, you may think it gives more armor, but... with the armor stacking enrf that happened back in the dinosaur ages the mechanic works a little bit differently now so that:

Quote:

The "cap" of stacking is +25 AL.
Armor is capped when stacking different armor bonuses from skills unless a skill inherently exceeds the armor cap, in which case the highest AL bonus is taken.

So for example:

Skill A: +15 AL
Skill B: +15 AL

Skill A and Skill B:
- Pre-nerf: +30 AL
- post-nerf: +25 AL

Now, for skill that exceed the cap:

Skill C: +80 AL

Skill A and Skill C:
- Pre-nerf: +95 AL
- Post-nerf: +80 AL

Skill D: +40 AL

Skill A; Skill C and Skill D:
- Pre-nerf: +135 AL
- Post-nerf: +80 AL

Hope that's clear enough.

so although conviction was a beaut on the derv bar back in the dizzay, it's not so hot now. that is, if they didn't un-nerf the way armor stacking worked.

Stub · Aug 10, 2008, 09:02 PM // 21:02

glyph only works for 1 spell now right?

buzzerman · Aug 11, 2008, 01:24 AM // 01:24

When you say that it can do "Full HM runs".. Does that include Mallyx? How could that echoed CoP trick work with Mallyx? I thought enchants and hexes are a no-no with that big monkey..

Lyynyyrd · Aug 11, 2008, 05:34 AM // 05:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by HackingHippie712

if your mesmer is high enough in SS and asuran why not a bar like this

[build prof=Mesmer/Monk][Visions of Regret][Arcane Echo][Cry of Pain][Ether Nightmare][No Skill][No Skill][Pain Inverter][Rebirth][/build]
ive been toying around with the optional slots, but overall it seems to be a bit better dmg output than triple echo CoP spam

Cry of Pain, your main damage / spam skill, interrupts....
Visions of Regret, your elite skill... only works if the enemy is NOT interrupted.

Your skills are kind of contradictory.

bizlib · Aug 11, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

With the new changes any other uses for necro apart from BiP in DoA?

I mean SS is still working with some groups. But maybe a support necro with a good blood build using the new life transfer buff?

Akaraxle · Aug 11, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

Lol, I like how similar PvE and GvG are becoming. Illu mesmers and 3+ monks are so familiar.

sLiceR · Aug 11, 2008, 07:49 AM // 07:49

are you expected to do something particular with the monk or follow the group and heal is just fine?

Mr.Kotte · Aug 11, 2008, 09:31 AM // 09:31

I ran a VoR CoP build in DoA last night with another CoP mesmer, we had no trouble and VoR sure did what it was supposed to.

Joe Fierce · Aug 11, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

VoR? sorry, i'm rather terrible with initials, an also another suggestion, in place of a bonder for nm you can bring a barrager with save yourselves and that works rather well, even more so if a mesmer with an extra skill slot can splinter him occasionally.

svobo · Aug 12, 2008, 08:58 AM // 08:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr.Kotte

I ran a VoR CoP build in DoA last night with another CoP mesmer, we had no trouble and VoR sure did what it was supposed to.

I was thinking about running a VoR CoP build too. Could you post the builds that you ran? Thank you.

**Marty Silverblade** · Aug 12, 2008, 09:05 AM // 09:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joe Fierce

VoR? sorry, i'm rather terrible with initials, an also another suggestion, in place of a bonder for nm you can bring a barrager with save yourselves and that works rather well, even more so if a mesmer with an extra skill slot can splinter him occasionally.

People don't usually abbreviate unless it's a relatively major skill in one of the bars posted in the thread. In this case, it means [[Visions of Regret]