Curse

the savage nornbear · Dec 06, 2008, 12:28 AM // 00:28

So my friend is having issues maintaining the enchantments in this build. I can't for the life of me figure out why, but its getting semi-frustrating. Maybe some of yall can help us out a little bit with either easier to run variants or a reason why he can't maintain them. Hes the ele by the way.

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:Te...Famine_Farmers

[Morkai] · Dec 06, 2008, 12:51 AM // 00:51

Is he casting OF in range of QZ?

the savage nornbear · Dec 06, 2008, 12:55 AM // 00:55

Yea, thats why I'm not understanding. He's even using [[glyph of swiftness]. He's saying that he'll be in the middle of casting one when the other one wheres off.

Dzjudz · Dec 06, 2008, 01:28 AM // 01:28

20% enchanting mod?

A Simple Farmer · Dec 06, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

I bet essence bond isn't triggering. If tank doesn't receive any dmg you don't get energy from it.

I've had this issue with lots of EleMo builds.

Try reducing your Armor level a bit (no shield etc.) and perhaps lowering your inspiration.

You could probably get away with dropping Succor and essence on the ranger & using some more useful skills, as the tank should get lots of E from the stance.

ps EoE kills your drops.

blackknight1337 · Dec 06, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Ok if I understand the OP correctly, then the problem is not what the other posters are trying to fix. The tank should have no trouble with energy, he has mantra of earth and stone striker. Unless he is getting hit with stance removal. As I understand it, he is having trouble with stoneflesh and obs flesh recharging at the same time?

If this is your problem, you need to prioritize. When cast with glyph of swiftness, you only have a couple second window to renew obsidian flesh. Put 4-5(depending on if you face weakness) in air to get 2 spells from glyph. Obsidian flesh always has priority. Most builds that you can tank with just the mantra and stoneflesh won't die instantly if stoneflesh is down for a second. You should still have no problems if you glyph both spells.

Then it is just a matter of casting your other spells while obs flesh and stoneflesh are recharging. You should have at least a 4 second window to renew stoneflesh with 16 earth. QZ is actually a hindrance if you have glyph on your bar, it screws with the recharges too much.

Staying alive skills have first priority, damage always comes second. I think your problem may just be player error on the tank.

@ Simple farmer. Essence bond is obviously for the ranger to get energy, not the ele. Can't believe you didn't know that. Did you actually go look at the PvX link?

Succor is indeed a waste of a slot. The tank never should need the extra energy pip, and with a few points in healing, mending gives better regen.

And yeah, if your tank isn't using a 20% ench mod, he is pretty clueless.

A Simple Farmer · Dec 06, 2008, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by blackknight1337

@ Simple farmer. Essence bond is obviously for the ranger to get energy, not the ele. Can't believe you didn't know that. Did you actually go look at the PvX link?

Easy big fella,

I guess I misunderstood the OP. I read "maintaining the enchantments" & interpreted the OP is having issues with, well oh I don't know, maintained enchantments.

Sorry blackknight1337 I won't let it happen again.

Mr.Kotte · Dec 06, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by A Simple Farmer

Sorry blackknight1337 I won't let it happen again.

Now look what you did! :'(
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@ OP: Make sure the ele is in range of [[Quickening Zephyr] when he activates [[Obsidian Flesh], not just in Bond range..
20% isnt really needed to maintain [[Obsidian Flesh] (With QZ kicking in), it is however needed to maintain [[Stoneflesh Aura]

I would recommend you to replace [[Crystal Wave] with [[Glyph of Swiftness]. This will allow the ranger to remove [[Quickening Zephyr] from his bar and giving everyone a easier E-management. This will also remove the restriction of walking around within spirit range, when casting [[Obsidian Flesh]. (Note that if you're gonna do this, you need 16 Earth magic and a +20% enchantment mod)

Another way is of course to bring an Essence of Celerity and [[Glyph of Elemental Power].. Cons+[[Glyph of Elemental Power] = [[Glyph of Swiftness] + Additional Damage from [[Sliver Armor]

I wonder if you acctualy will take your time to read that through... I know I wouldnt.

PS: Lots of this have probably been said in the posts before, as I dont read them, I have no clue.

the savage nornbear · Dec 06, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

That is the thing. He has 16 earth magic, 20% enchant, and GoS. His problem is that when he is renewing say obby flesh, stoneflesh aura will run out. So he can technically keep them all up, but he is having practical issues. That is to say, its not the math, its the actual "doing it". Is there a specific order he should be casting these in. Its rated a great farming build, so I assume it works.

Mr.Kotte · Dec 06, 2008, 06:10 PM // 18:10

[[Glyph of Swiftness] ->[[Obsidian Flesh]->[[Stoneflesh Aura] / [[Sliver Armor]

blackknight1337 · Dec 06, 2008, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by the savage nornbear

That is the thing. He has 16 earth magic, 20% enchant, and GoS. His problem is that when he is renewing say obby flesh, stoneflesh aura will run out. So he can technically keep them all up, but he is having practical issues. That is to say, its not the math, its the actual "doing it". Is there a specific order he should be casting these in. Its rated a great farming build, so I assume it works.

The best way that I've found to prevent this is making sure your glyph is good for 2 spells. As I said earlier, you should have at least a 4 sec opportunity to renew stoneflesh when it is cast at 16 earth, with a 20% ench mod, and under glyph of swiftness. If you pay attention, you can also use glyph on sliver armor as Kotte said.

@ Simple Farmer, what I said was partly intended as a joke, I thought you had misread it so I was just poking a little at you for fun. I realize that you have probably done more stuff with an obs flesh tank than I have, I wasn't trying to flame you or anything. Perhaps a couple of emoticons there would have better implied my purpose.