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Adam144 · Dec 04, 2007, 09:07 PM // 21:07

I've tried going into random obscure districts where there was only me in there and went out and farmed the Raptor Nestlings and still got crap.

Probably needs more testing though.

boogerboy72 · Dec 04, 2007, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Skinny Corpse

Indeed..
..but what would happen if you were there all alone?
Would there be a difference?
Would the drops be even better?
That's what I'm curious about.
But as the Springs is constantly packed with farmers it's not really possible to find out tho.

is it still as populated in the non european and american dis? or would that matter?

therangereminem · Dec 04, 2007, 09:10 PM // 21:10

i already had this ideal and opionion onthis but i don think the speedin which you kill things matter. that andi have always thought every dropin every zone is already deteremined, for each party member just never went about to prove it, i started thinking this becuzi would be ele bombing with guildys and the tome and green would drop for 3/5 five of us at the same time, we would go for hours without anyone getting a green or gold , then it would hit.

one other thing i looked at was with z pack and ales and bow i rant o those spots over and over but then inoticed how the grops where really different, then any other time, and sure enough it was there, then my friend wanted it , alli did was keep zoming til i got that spawn again and sure enough it was there again. just some thoughts

good work though proves a couple of things speed does not giveyou better drops and when you loadin drops are pre detemrined. next thing you should look at is eachenemy does it always drop the same golds when a gold drops but with diffrent states for a givin hour.

i always thought there where only 10 different zones and it is refreshed every 1 to 3 hours.

somethign else i would like to test is the goa coffer, i beive at certtaintimes opening them you will get the same thing if other would opn it, but a little more then just 1 item say 3 items at 1pm est will come out of the cofferes for the next 5min and so on

Skinny Corpse · Dec 04, 2007, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by boogerboy72

is it still as populated in the non european and american dis? or would that matter?

Interesting thought. My guess would be that it doesn't matter but that's just a guess until it's been looked into.

Skinny Corpse · Dec 04, 2007, 09:27 PM // 21:27

I just went to an international district.. and that's where the bots are at.

*edit*

Well, it's pretty packed in every district.. at least at this time of the day.

ragnagard · Dec 05, 2007, 12:07 AM // 00:07

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Originally Posted by Skinny Corpse

I just went to an international district.. and that's where the bots are at.

*edit*

Well, it's pretty packed in every district.. at least at this time of the day.

Dunno if this is important or relevant to the drop tests but you always can go to spanish district of that outpost and check it when it's night over here (GMT+1, +9 hours from yours?). There will be only one person, which was reading us. Lol, just kidding.

Seriously, try it... just try on spanish/french dist when its GMT+1 night and your outpost isnt a main outpost. Also you can try on russia/polish as there are so few people at every hour of the day haha (at least as I saw).

Hope trying in a empty outpost makes its better.

Do you imagine something like.... being in a empty outpost and exiting to farm... "resets" a magic number that activates a better dropping session? just like Sacred did. No people on the server.... resetting it... ahhh fresh server with all quest enabled....

Ahhh I just think so weird things when I am almost asleep... 01:08am here uhammmm (yawn)...

/salute

Skinny Corpse · Dec 05, 2007, 12:12 AM // 00:12

I'd be interesting for sure.. I'll try to find one tomorrow.. right now, it's off to bed.

Oh, we've got celebrities in the thread.. I see Kilroy Stonekin!

Armond · Dec 05, 2007, 04:45 AM // 04:45

I'm kinda interested in what happens if both players enter simultaneously but one afk's for an hour or so before starting the farm.

manitoba1073 · Dec 05, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by Skinny Corpse

Do you mean the mission? I tried it yesterday and it gets to the point where
Togo wants you to wait for the mobs to split up., then they both get themselves killed and mission fails.
Or do you mean the explorable area?

And identical mobs is not really an advantage, rather the opposite imo.

Yes its the mission and yes you need necrotic traversal to leave togo and the retard behind.

On the contrary the mobs being identical makes it exactly what needs to be tested. NOt untill you get past the afflicted pets do the variances happens.

Skinny Corpse · Dec 05, 2007, 09:15 AM // 09:15

When there's no variation in the mobs, how do we tell if we are synced?

manitoba1073 · Dec 05, 2007, 09:51 AM // 09:51

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Originally Posted by Skinny Corpse

When there's no variation in the mobs, how do we tell if we are synced?

By the counter to enter the mission. You really never synced a mission or RA anything like that before?

KartMan · Dec 05, 2007, 09:57 AM // 09:57

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Originally Posted by manitoba1073

By the counter to enter the mission. You really never synced a mission or RA anything like that before?

that's different, in his case, they must NOT be in the same game, they must have same seed but not in the same instance, and the easiest way to check if it is the case is to check the first group of monster, if it contains the same monsters, it is very likely that they successfully synched the seed

otherwise they certainly didn't sync

edit : what I mean is for Cho's, you could sync with timer, but you would not have any way to check that the seeds are synched, and you'll very likely get biaised results (thinking you're synched but getting very different drops)

Skinny Corpse · Dec 05, 2007, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by KartMan

that's different, in his case, they must NOT be in the same game, they must have same seed but not in the same instance, and the easiest way to check if it is the case is to check the first group of monster, if it contains the same monsters, it is very likely that they successfully synched the seed

otherwise they certainly didn't sync

edit : what I mean is for Cho's, you could sync with timer, but you would not have any way to check that the seeds are synched, and you'll very likely get biaised results (thinking you're synched but getting very different drops)

Agreed.

And pushing the Mission Start button at the exact same time is just
as hard to sync imo. When you run side by side into an explorable area
you can adjust your positioning along the way out.

But I might be proven wrong when we try this, 'cause we will, for sure.

Elite Bushido · Dec 06, 2007, 07:30 AM // 07:30

why the hell are you using Mending and HB on your monk?

Adam144 · Dec 06, 2007, 07:53 AM // 07:53

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Originally Posted by Elite Bushido

why the hell are you using Mending and HB on your monk?

Never heard of a 55 monk?

manitoba1073 · Dec 06, 2007, 08:49 AM // 08:49

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Originally Posted by Adam144

Never heard of a 55 monk?

Apparently he hasnt.

I guess theres a first time for everthing

arsie · Dec 06, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

For disbelievers, nothing is stopping anyone from testing this out. Vent might help with correct timing.

Intriguing discovery. There's no real impact on anyone or anything though. Except debunk any myth of SV vs SoJ.

Must have been a good laugh too.

The next test is to try doing it at exactly the same time the next day, to see if there is a 24hr cycle. Then the 7 day cycle. Hahahaha. Who knows...could be a reliable way of getting certain rare drops.

hallomik · Dec 06, 2007, 12:12 PM // 12:12

First off, assuming it's all true - which it appears to be, great work. This is a service to the community, since so many people "know" how loot drops work and will argue forever with no data.

Observation: I don't think this can really be exploited to get better drops. If two people enter at the same time, and one guy runs ahead to see of the drops are worth the run, is the other guy just supposed to wait around, not farming? That doesn't seem like it would increase overall loot.

Question: Besides different values for ID'ing drops, is there a different rate of salvage? Also, if you use an expert/superior salvage kit, will both players consistently salvage rare mods off of the "same" drop?

Skinny Corpse · Dec 06, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by hallomik

First off, assuming it's all true - which it appears to be, great work. This is a service to the community, since so many people "know" how loot drops work and will argue forever with no data.

Observation: I don't think this can really be exploited to get better drops. If two people enter at the same time, and one guy runs ahead to see of the drops are worth the run, is the other guy just supposed to wait around, not farming? That doesn't seem like it would increase overall loot.

Question: Besides different values for ID'ing drops, is there a different rate of salvage? Also, if you use an expert/superior salvage kit, will both players consistently salvage rare mods off of the "same" drop?

I really don't see how this can be exploited either, unless you figure out the
exact time to enter to get good drops.. and I don't really see that as possible.

We haven't tested this any further but Luck plays a part in salvaging things.
Whether it's the chance of not ruining things, salvaging rare stuff or maybe both I really don't know.

But we'll keep testing and comparing.. eventually we'll get some results to share with you all.

NateAlluran · Dec 06, 2007, 03:28 PM // 15:28

Hi, new user here, I'm usually not one for forums but this thread got my attention enough that I went off to test it with my brother and thought I'd share the resaults:

So, after a couple of runs I can verify the authenticity of the OP's screens to anyone who's still having doubts. The runs we did were all in Fahranur, using the first group spawn to check as Skinny Corpse detailed, every time we managed a sync we had *very* similar drops- identical actually, for most part with minor variations here and there.

At first testing it seems the time of the actual drop does not matter, as we've done runs spaced by about 20 minutes after the synced entrance and still came up with the same drops.
I do plan on testing this further. It seems to me this could at least lay to rest the myth about a personal farm code some people still go on about.

Anyhow, please excuse any spelling/grammar mistakes, will post some screens later if there's any demand for it.

EDIT:
Just wanted to add my thanks to the op for this interesting discovery, nice find ^ ^