Curse

ReZDoGG · Jun 26, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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Originally Posted by Dark Paladin X

You do get more greens if you do this in HM.

Yup, greens are all the same in NM and HM. And about Elite tomes, I am not sure if those monsters are bosses if I remember... Never really tried farming Totem Axe myself.

Widowmaker · Jun 26, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

I had a run up there and got mowed down on the way in HM, but since I'm really only interested in plant fibers I couldn't be bothered seeing about modifying the build to cope. Normal mode is easy enough to get there, but it is quite a long run for what seems like little reward.

If anyone has any suggestions for good places for fibres I'd love to hear them.

ReZDoGG · Jun 26, 2008, 10:24 AM // 10:24

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Originally Posted by Widowmaker

I had a run up there and got mowed down on the way in HM, but since I'm really only interested in plant fibers I couldn't be bothered seeing about modifying the build to cope. Normal mode is easy enough to get there, but it is quite a long run for what seems like little reward.

If anyone has any suggestions for good places for fibres I'd love to hear them.

Dragon Moss farming using "The New Escort" Quest in Factions. You get alot of Plant Fibers plus Spirit Wood.

ReZDoGG · Jul 03, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Update: Shadow Form now does 50% less damage when Active... This means any farming builds that use Shadow Form are now 50% less effective if any damage skills are used. This includes Sliver and Ebon Battle Standard of Honor. Pretty sh*tty f*cking deal if you ask me. Not only did they change Shadow Form, but they actually made it worse than it was before increased duration change. Sliver will need twice as much aggro to get the same jobs done. Farming areas that have strong heals will most likely, not be possible with Sliver farming. Farms will now take longer to complete (up to twice as long) if possible to farm at all...

Well I guess all the whiners/complainers got what they all wanted, just because we all were having alil fun and actually making money at the same time. It is a f*cking game!!! it is supposed to be fun!!

I say everyone make a petition to change SF back, and leave the new chaos plains update alone. I don't see why ectos have to have such a bad affect on every other farm outside of UW. Doesn't make much sense to me. If we can get enough sin fans together, we can have the power to possible change it back.

Oh well, looks like I will be playing another game. My sin has been my main since 2 years ago, and now they are just be messed with all the time now, and be alot less fun to play.

Lest121 · Jul 03, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

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Oh well, looks like I will be playing another game. My sin has been my main since 2 years ago, and now they are just be messed with all the time now, and be alot less fun to play.

My friend wants to join him in AoC and he willing to pay my Monthly fees. I think i might take him up on that Offer, My sin is also my main and I don't give a F about ectos, I would like to at least be able to farm and make some loot, it really sad how all the QQers are rejoicing about the Nerf really RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing pathetic.

Fleeting · Jul 03, 2008, 01:12 AM // 01:12

@ReZDoGG- they changed one skill: Shadowform. If this somehow ruins your entire experience with the Assassin profession, then that says something about how "messed up" the profession already was.

As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all.

ReZDoGG · Jul 03, 2008, 01:55 AM // 01:55

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Originally Posted by Fleeting

@ReZDoGG- they changed one skill: Shadowform. If this somehow ruins your entire experience with the Assassin profession, then that says something about how "messed up" the profession already was.

As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all.

It doesn't mess up my experience with sins, just gives us less to do, which in return becomes alot less fun to play the game with them. I've always thought games were supposed to be fun. I don't mind challenges myself, but when it comes to nerf'n all farming just because of ectos prices, that is just rediculous to me. I have plenty of secrets farms with my sin, but I don't like to do farms over and over, as they easily get boring to me... I am not much of a big grinder myself, I'd rather mix things up a bit. I like being able to change up things here and there, now it won't be the same. I will be forced to only do a few farms rather than abunch of farms. I mean, farming stuff like the Mantids outside of Nahpui Quarter was something that recently became one of my favorite farms, but now all that has gone to hell... Farming them takes 2-3 times longer, and it is no longer effecient for making money because of that. There was also alot of areas that A/E perma sliver was able to farm, when there was nothing else could. I don't even begin to know how many farms have been nerfed due to the 50% reduced damage... I don't even want to bother to check either, just because it would be a waste of time now.

Games shouldn't be about "Adapt or Die", they should be a way to relax and have alil fun. To me, adapt or die would mean you would lose alot of customers/money if that was what the game was about. Not smart at all for developers.

dasmitchies · Jul 03, 2008, 02:56 AM // 02:56

Once again Anet protects their precious game, Oh wait , I paid for it. I agree with Rezzdog. I was really hoping to make up for lost time on GW and fill my hall for GW2. This nerf was all about the oldskool snobs hating on newer players. Waaaaaaaaaaaa Ectos dropped. My armor isn't as leet. Same garbage from the same crowd. Lets have some real fun. Lets push for Anet to nerf protective spirit. Say, 50% health loss vs. 10%? Lets watch the 600 smite teams cry a little too. PVE economy should not be an issue to the developers. DEMAND should be the only pricing factor. After all, when ectos dropped shards went way up. Once again Anet failed to see the entire equation because of whiners.

petrorabbit · Jul 03, 2008, 03:28 AM // 03:28

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Originally Posted by dasmitchies

Once again Anet protects their precious game, Oh wait , I paid for it. I agree with Rezzdog. I was really hoping to make up for lost time on GW and fill my hall for GW2. This nerf was all about the oldskool snobs hating on newer players. Waaaaaaaaaaaa Ectos dropped. My armor isn't as leet. Same garbage from the same crowd. Lets have some real fun. Lets push for Anet to nerf protective spirit. Say, 50% health loss vs. 10%? Lets watch the 600 smite teams cry a little too. PVE economy should not be an issue to the developers. DEMAND should be the only pricing factor. After all, when ectos dropped shards went way up. Once again Anet failed to see the entire equation because of whiners.

The sad thing is, they did too much just to solve 1 problem and affected other farms that had nothing to do with the problem.

The changes to UW would have been sufficient to deal with the price of ecto, but the nerf to SF was a bit overboard.

Inadvertently, they not only hurt A/E shadowforms, but also the efficiency of E/A green/tome farmers.

Oh well, at least Diablo 3 is something to look forward to.

Torrent · Jul 03, 2008, 03:39 AM // 03:39

Laissez faire anyone?

Torabo · Jul 03, 2008, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by Fleeting

@ReZDoGG- they changed one skill: Shadowform. If this somehow ruins your entire experience with the Assassin profession, then that says something about how "messed up" the profession already was.

As has been said, people adapt or die, and in GW it's not exactly difficult to adapt to anything at all.

So....
How many Monks do you think will QQ if they changed say... Prot Spirit? it's ONLY one skill right?
Its not a matter of how many skills they mess up.
But rather why that change of skill does.

I'd rather they didn't touch SF given what they did to UW already, but even if they nerfed the length of SF I'd have been fine, as I could still do a bunch of other farms for greens or tomes before this update... now?
I can farm UW at a slightly less efficient rate.... and almost all other SF based farming builds are dead..... thus driving me towards UW farming rather than making me farm elsewhere, kinda defeats the supposed reasoning behind this nerf.

MisterT69 · Jul 03, 2008, 05:31 AM // 05:31

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Originally Posted by ReZDoGG

Update: Shadow Form now does 50% less damage when Active... This means any farming builds that use Shadow Form are now 50% less effective if any damage skills are used. This includes Sliver and Ebon Battle Standard of Honor. Pretty sh*tty f*cking deal if you ask me. Not only did they change Shadow Form, but they actually made it worse than it was before increased duration change. Sliver will need twice as much aggro to get the same jobs done. Farming areas that have strong heals will most likely, not be possible with Sliver farming. Farms will now take longer to complete (up to twice as long) if possible to farm at all...

Well I guess all the whiners/complainers got what they all wanted, just because we all were having alil fun and actually making money at the same time. It is a f*cking game!!! it is supposed to be fun!!

I say everyone make a petition to change SF back, and leave the new chaos plains update alone. I don't see why ectos have to have such a bad affect on every other farm outside of UW. Doesn't make much sense to me. If we can get enough sin fans together, we can have the power to possible change it back.

Oh well, looks like I will be playing another game. My sin has been my main since 2 years ago, and now they are just be messed with all the time now, and be alot less fun to play.

Don't leave us rez

I agree 100% with you. It's Anet giving in to the QQers because their crystallines arent uber rare l33t items anymore. But stick with it, hopefully we'll get out SF back. In the meantime, others are already finding loopholes in the SF nerf and are able to use it to near full potential. Like plains farming is back thanks to some clever degen builds. So give it time, farmers are smart people, and we'll find ways around any nerf.

So screw all those l33tist pricks who are pissed that their 10 stacks of ectos are losing value. more builds will be made and more people will get richer...that's just the way it's gonna be.

Elite Bushido · Jul 03, 2008, 06:58 AM // 06:58

he's leavin us just like how Dopefish said he was leavin...(then a month later he came back wit like 5 builds =| )

Onyx Blindbow · Jul 03, 2008, 07:19 AM // 07:19

I can agree with the changes they made in UW the only change I don't agree with is the "50% less damage" change

That change alone has nerfed so many farming builds (from tomes to greens) it's ludicrous.

Nerf's to UW were warranted, nerfs to farming anywhere in the game are not warranted and that is the only thing they need to re-dress imo.

Mad King Corn · Jul 03, 2008, 07:30 AM // 07:30

I agree, this build is now almost worthless for farming greens. Anet has made some really stupid changes and this ranks right up there at the top. It always happens, a few ball babies and anet caters right into their arms without even stopping to thing about the rest of the community or other uses for the skill. Anet said that they ran a query on people using ursan and found that it was not an insignificant number, so they had better tread very carefully with that one, or they may very well lose a hefty chunk of future GW2 customers.
If they have the balls to nerf ursan, then they deserve to lose their customers!

warriorsmiley · Jul 03, 2008, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Well just recently made a sin because I always wanted a pve sin for dagger skins and armor. The shadowform farming was just a bonus that came along with being a sin. I feel the nerf to the plains was good enough they had no reasoning to reduce damage while in shadowform it was totally uncalled for if you ask me.

niek2004 · Jul 03, 2008, 08:37 AM // 08:37

GJ ANET!

NOT. Nice FAIL. Just the new UW mobs were enough.

ReZDoGG · Jul 03, 2008, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Degen builds still work, but they are limited to what they can farm... some enemies can easily out heal the damage. This is definately rediculous, A/E UW farming is still possible, but other farms outside of UW are pretty much nerfed. Like the old A/E fire builds for farming raptors, they will no longer work for sins... and sliver takes about 5 minutes longer to clear the raptor cave. So, about half of the farms are pretty much worthless now because it will take so much longer to complete, if can be completed at all. Talking about a sh*tty deal. Ecto farm is still in affect for making money, but not making money outside of UW just got harder, when it was harder to begin with. I am sure they will change it back after knowing how bad of a change it was for Shadow Form.

I was farming other places more than farming UW Chaos Plains, and now with the nerf, it is actually going to drive me to farm only UW. Does this make sense? I don't think so. In other words, they are going to drive more people into UW to farm ectos. lol /fail.

Cyb3r · Jul 03, 2008, 01:51 PM // 13:51

yeah the nerf is a total joke fixing the economy? hell no just drives more people to the uw ecto popped to 5.5K for a couple minutes then when the build was adjusted it dropped back to before the nerf

Conclusion all other neat places to farm for sins and for E/A's have been nerfed into oblivion -_-

Konkadonk · Jul 03, 2008, 04:00 PM // 16:00

The way I see things, most people are being babies. Personally I have never farmed UW, and I have FoW armor, various sets of 15k and various rare skins. I know Assassins have been hit hard, but why don't you try thinking about other, less fortunate classes (Paragon anyone?). Some classes don't get as good a break as Sin did, and for many of you the short time that SF was overpowered has made you rich.

Next point is that FoW armor, tormented weapons, Crystallines etc. are prestige items. You can get a weapon with perfect stats even if you suck ass and never farm. Prestige items are prestigious for a reason; they are rare. Why should a common scrub be able to have all the greatest looking gear even though he hasn't done a fraction of the hard work that the devoted hardcore player has to obtain it?