Curse

traeskapa · May 24, 2008, 11:25 AM // 11:25

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Originally Posted by kicks66

How do you clear the chamber then? You wont be able to pull the graspings seperately from the aatxes in HM surely?

Well, that's the thing, it doesn't matter if you pull aatxes.
They can't hurt you with SF on, so just keep hitting the graspings, and run to plains when you're done.

English Warrior · May 24, 2008, 11:28 AM // 11:28

so this build cant kill aatxe what makes it better than the A/Me that can?

ReZDoGG · May 24, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

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Originally Posted by Leeds

so this build cant kill aatxe what makes it better than the A/Me that can?

Sliver build can kill bladed fairly easy, but daggers won't... they will kill you from your melee attacks. I personally still like A/Me for farming, as it is thorough and kills everything. Sliver has disadvantage because some enemies take along time to kill when there are only a few attacking... Of course you need alot of enemies pulled together to get as many kills as you can with sliver, but usually leaving a few enemies behind. Sliver has its own advantages though, since A/Me can't kill Cave Spiders quick enough, Sliver can... same goes for some other monsters with monks or ritualist. Both builds are both great to use, no need to use one or the other, use both for different farming situations as they both have their own advantages/disadvantages. But all in all, sins are great for farming.

ReZDoGG · May 24, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

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Originally Posted by Mickey

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put Glyph of Swiftness + Deadly Paradox + The newly unnerfed Shadow Form together. But seriously on topic, I just tanked the whole Deep in NM, and the only problem was the Freezing Nightmares, my guild group had a fun time when I died after they expunged me. Beyond that, a Perma-SF sin was extremely useful for pulling mobs, seperating Kanaxai from his mob, and even completely tanking tens of twenties of enemies, except in the enchantment room.

Also, I found a build to do the Chaos Planes in 27 minutes flat. Here it is:

[skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill][skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill][skill]Shadow Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Phoenix[/skill][skill]Inferno[/skill][skill]Flame Djinn's Haste[/skill]

Pretty simple really, don't spam your AoE attacks, make sure you have enough energy. It's alot faster than Sliver spam, and I haven't tried it out in HM yet, but it will probably take a bit longer, but work.

Of course everyone knew about Glyph of Swiftness as soon as SF was changed, some probably knew about it before the update because there are a few people that know what the upcoming updates will be.

Basically any A/E build is good to use now... daggers, fire magic, earth magic... each one of course has its own advantages/disadvantages. Use em all is what I do...

I tried this Fire build out, and it works pretty good for farming UW. I was able to arrive at Chaos Fields in like 5 minutes. I don't know the exact run of Mindblades, so it took me almost an hour to clear... but I did end up gettin 5 ectos. Nice build. So many good Sin builds now

English Warrior · May 24, 2008, 11:49 AM // 11:49

could the fire one handle aatxes fast?

ReZDoGG · May 24, 2008, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by tuna-fish_sushi

Heres what I use for chaos plains HM and FoW beach cave HM

Attributes:
11+3 Dagger
11+3+1 Shadow arts
8+3 crit strikes
3+3 deadly arts

Weapon needed:
Zealous
+5 energy
+20% encahnts
daggers

Glyph of swiftness
Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form
Critical agility
Golden Fox Strike (or any 5 energy 4 second recharge lead attack)
Wild Strike (or any 5 energy 4 second recharge offhand attack)
Death Blossom (main damage dealer)
Dash (use it to run over traps and not get hit)

cleared HM plains in 50mins (can be faster)
cleared HM beach+cave in 30mins (can be faster)

Sounds good, but having that low of health is not that safe even with Shadowform. Couple signets, touch skills, or AoE spell would murdah ya. No need for Sup deadly arts, dagger or critical runes... just use minor or major runes, and really don't need deadly arts rune at all. But of course if you can make it without takin any damage, using low health and sup runes can be a good advantage for damage. Two Major Runes for Dagger/Critical seems to work ok.

Try this out:

[build prof=a/e sha=11+3+1 dag=10+2 cri=10+2 dead=1 box][Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow form][Golden Fox Strike][Golden Fang Strike][Death Blossom][Way of the Lotus][Critical Agility][/build]

This one seems decent if you don't need running skill... or you can always just use cupcakes. Only place I tested it so far was Jade Knights though, kinda fun using daggers for change though.

I just tried it in Fow HM, works good for clearing the beach, but I can't seem to get around Cave Spiders Healing Spring. I know people say if you get close enough to them they won't use it, but that doesn't seem to be the case. These SF daggers builds is also good if you want to dual wit someone, so you both can get right in there and get some kills, sounds like fun.

Nevermind, I figured out the Cave Spiders... I was taking too many groups at a time. Been so long since I farmed Cave spiders with Melee builds. Sux you can only take on one group at a time, and have to pull them as tight together as possible. Also, it would be hella quick to dual with two sins. HAve one person with Sliver, and another with Dagger build. Sliver can take out as many as they can to speed things up, then let guy with Daggers kill off the rest... Definately goin to be tryin it with my bro.

Jhadur · May 24, 2008, 12:44 PM // 12:44

Is there a way to kill the charged blacknesses in the spawning pools with the sliver build? Their aoe and touch skills kill me quick

speedy21589 · May 24, 2008, 02:39 PM // 14:39

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Originally Posted by Jhadur

Is there a way to kill the charged blacknesses in the spawning pools with the sliver build? Their aoe and touch skills kill me quick

shock is going to keep you on your back a lot of the time if you don't have anti-KD (ward v stability, i am unstoppable, whatever), and you are either going to need to kill them before they can kill you with their skills (doubtful, especially if you're using multiple superior runes and/or are running in HM), or you are going to need some self-healing. Probably possible with a specialized build (too lazy to think of one), but probably not worth it.

ReZDoGG · May 24, 2008, 03:03 PM // 15:03

I usually never liked Dagger builds for farming, but now its awesome with A/E... I think we all need to get together and have someone Make a Master guide for all of the Sin farming builds. I'd do it, but I would need everyones permission to post their builds on it. We can also all get together and make videos, and a big list of places to farm for all the builds... List can be similar to what i got goin, but mention which builds can farm beside the monster/location.

Lest121 · May 24, 2008, 03:18 PM // 15:18

I don't feel like reading all those pages, but Perma/sin works on the Ele outs Olfstead.

Maccarelly · May 24, 2008, 03:45 PM // 15:45

I just solo'ed The Missing Vanguard from EOTN. Did it in Normal mode, so easy no doubt it would work hard mode.

Mickey · May 24, 2008, 04:28 PM // 16:28

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Originally Posted by Leeds

could the fire one handle aatxes fast?

Nah, fire one is only for use on Mindblades. Aatxes take too long, with the fire one, you just rush all the graspings, then run to the Mindblades.

Avatar Exico · May 24, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

I wonder if this Sin build is able to do all of Sorrows Furance. Only problem is the healers.

Marverick · May 24, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by Mickey

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to put Glyph of Swiftness + Deadly Paradox + The newly unnerfed Shadow Form together. But seriously on topic, I just tanked the whole Deep in NM, and the only problem was the Freezing Nightmares, my guild group had a fun time when I died after they expunged me. Beyond that, a Perma-SF sin was extremely useful for pulling mobs, seperating Kanaxai from his mob, and even completely tanking tens of twenties of enemies, except in the enchantment room.

Also, I found a build to do the Chaos Planes in 27 minutes flat. Here it is:

[skill]Glyph of Swiftness[/skill][skill]Deadly Paradox[/skill][skill]Shadow Form[/skill][skill]Glyph of Lesser Energy[/skill][skill]Fire Attunement[/skill][skill]Phoenix[/skill][skill]Inferno[/skill][skill]Flame Djinn's Haste[/skill]

Pretty simple really, don't spam your AoE attacks, make sure you have enough energy. It's alot faster than Sliver spam, and I haven't tried it out in HM yet, but it will probably take a bit longer, but work.

Is 3 spells enough to kill them?

Avatar Exico · May 24, 2008, 05:05 PM // 17:05

Before the Buff of SF. In UW Run my allaince leader and I ment the few people who were able to get Perman SF wit just 21sec at 16 Shadow Arts. But what he was explaining that a very good way to kill monsters fast is use the Deadly Arts as a dmg dealer. He would be using Dancing Daggers to kill foes 1 by 1 but it faster than using Degan. After few thoughts. Combine Dancing Daggers with Radiation Field use Lesser Energy to help energy management with Rad Field the skill 15 energy. It will work on HM but it sorta slow but you dont have to worry about the monsters running. The AoE dmg would be degan from the Ward.

tuna-fish_sushi · May 24, 2008, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Hey, I need someone with a Perma SF assasin who has completed factions to test something and if it works we can start making alot of money fast! First person to pm in game for details!
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Willow O Whisper · May 24, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

... Ok i think there is something wrong with me either the sf won't recharge fast enough or i will be to low on energy to cast this goes for both my sin and my mes..... Can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?

absolutcrobi · May 24, 2008, 06:19 PM // 18:19

i used this to clear out all of the corsairs in the latenda bog. sadly no collosal scimitars though...

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It wasn't the fastest farm ever but i was able to kill all 100 or more of them.

absolutcrobi · May 24, 2008, 06:20 PM // 18:20

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Originally Posted by Willow O Whisper

... Ok i think there is something wrong with me either the sf won't recharge fast enough or i will be to low on energy to cast this goes for both my sin and my mes..... Can someone tell me what i'm doing wrong?

I you have 15 shadow arts, a 20% enchant mod the glyph and deadly paradox there is no reason it wouldn't rechange before it ends.

Willow O Whisper · May 24, 2008, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by absolutcrobi

I you have 15 shadow arts, a 20% enchant mod the glyph and deadly paradox there is no reason it wouldn't rechange before it ends.

Yep recharge on sin is no prop but energy is

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