Curse

dont feel no pain · Sep 29, 2007, 10:11 PM // 22:11

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Originally Posted by Holy

Its effect IS global, however there are many proven videos to show you that if the Sup Absorbtion is on your chest piece, it will infact take off more dmg, because you take something between 40-50% of the dmg on your chest piece.
therefore the -3dmg is accumilated off of a larger scale.
try it for yourself if u want, try putting it on leg piece or even arm piece, and then try Chest, the difference is quite noticable (easiest way to experiment is to go to an area when you dont normally take more than 10dmg. just easier to see results).

Funn build tho. im deffinately going to try it. ive been wanting to get back into GW anyway. miss the good old days of endless ecto

I wonder how much of an added effect having 2 sup absorbtion (chest+legs) would do then ^^

and yeah i miss those days too

zling · Sep 29, 2007, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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Originally Posted by Holy

Its effect IS global, however there are many proven videos to show you that if the Sup Absorbtion is on your chest piece, it will infact take off more dmg, because you take something between 40-50% of the dmg on your chest piece.
therefore the -3dmg is accumilated off of a larger scale.
try it for yourself if u want, try putting it on leg piece or even arm piece, and then try Chest, the difference is quite noticable (easiest way to experiment is to go to an area when you dont normally take more than 10dmg. just easier to see results).

Funn build tho. im deffinately going to try it. ive been wanting to get back into GW anyway. miss the good old days of endless ecto

you are contradicting yourself... you're saying the effect is global and yet you say it depends on which armor piece you put it...
make up your mind please

blue.rellik · Sep 30, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

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Originally Posted by zling

yes I did infact and I killed them and got ectos from them. mostly did duo runs though not solo.
and I havent tried going to UW with a warrior as mine is low lvl and I dont bother lvling it, have other lvl 20 chars I like better, necro, ranger, monk, dervish, etc

Ok let me rephrase that question, have you fought an aatxe with a warrior that isn't packing loads of anti-melee skills?

A11Eur0 · Sep 30, 2007, 11:44 PM // 23:44

Alright I have an issue with this. i just can't seem to pull any graspings without aggroing one of the aatxes on the left side....and I can't run away to break aatxe aggro because he follows me half of the damn map.

WTF is the deal...I wasted 3k already and haven't killed a single enemy yet.

tuna-fish_sushi · Oct 01, 2007, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Are you in Hardmode? Then they have a 50% run buff and wont give up for a while.

dont feel no pain · Oct 01, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Alright I have an issue with this. i just can't seem to pull any graspings without aggroing one of the aatxes on the left side....and I can't run away to break aatxe aggro because he follows me half of the damn map.

WTF is the deal...I wasted 3k already and haven't killed a single enemy yet.

hmmmm i beeen gettng alot of these posts on here, all i can say is try different pulling patterns untill you know when they wont chase you, it doesnt happen to me because i always do a full 3 group pull at the same time each run.

Keneth · Oct 01, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

How important is it to have an icy weapon of shelter for killing grasps? Or a better question, can you just kill them with the zealous weapon of enchanting and what's the downside appart from a longer run?

dont feel no pain · Oct 01, 2007, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by Keneth

How important is it to have an icy weapon of shelter for killing grasps? Or a better question, can you just kill them with the zealous weapon of enchanting and what's the downside appart from a longer run?

They take double dmg from elemental dmg

and this is used when gathering smites so you have +7 armor vs physical and no loss of energy pip.

Keneth · Oct 01, 2007, 05:14 PM // 17:14

Yeah, I've figured it out. I've never entered UW before so I wasn't sure but first run went rather well, great builds. Thanks.

Keneth · Oct 02, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

I've also found that if you happen to stumble upon a Dying Nightmare, you will usually pull an Aatxe with it which won't stop following you until the nightmare is dead. I'm guessing this is the problem most people said they're having and so far the only solution I've found is to kill the Nightmare as quickly as possible and use your running skill to get rid of the Aatxe. This doesn't always work though since the Grasps drain your energy and you might not be able to use Enraging Charge and the Aatxe will kill you.

Sorry for double posting, just thought I should share...

dont feel no pain · Oct 03, 2007, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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Originally Posted by Keneth

I've also found that if you happen to stumble upon a Dying Nightmare, you will usually pull an Aatxe with it which won't stop following you until the nightmare is dead. I'm guessing this is the problem most people said they're having and so far the only solution I've found is to kill the Nightmare as quickly as possible and use your running skill to get rid of the Aatxe. This doesn't always work though since the Grasps drain your energy and you might not be able to use Enraging Charge and the Aatxe will kill you.

Sorry for double posting, just thought I should share...

thanks for sharing, was new to me tbh

>P>Emperor · Oct 04, 2007, 07:43 AM // 07:43

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Originally Posted by A11Eur0

Alright I have an issue with this. i just can't seem to pull any graspings without aggroing one of the aatxes on the left side....and I can't run away to break aatxe aggro because he follows me half of the damn map.

WTF is the deal...I wasted 3k already and haven't killed a single enemy yet.

i got the same prob; killing the grasps is peace of cake with this build, but I always seem to aggro 1 or 2 aatxes that keep on following me through the whole room...i never tried uw solo before so how can I practice the run better? take a bonder monk with me for extra security? bonder hero is not an option, my hero aggroed the whole lot of aatxes !
btw I'm using a 16 armor shield with -2 ph dmg while enchanted, is that worse than the -2 ph dmg while stance shield for this build?
tnx for any tips, I'm getting tired of wasting all my money just for entering UW and gettin almost nothing

also, I was thinking, would it be better to use glad's defense in stead of triple chop as elite in this build, for more safety (safer but slower)?

Keneth · Oct 04, 2007, 04:38 PM // 16:38

Gladiator's Defense will only be useful to you in the first part since it's a stance and thus mutually exclusive with Bonetti's and Physical Resistance and since grasps drain your energy you probably won't get to use it much anyway. Tripple Chop is important if you mass aggro smites later to fill up your Whirlwind.

I must admit though, I've done about 15 or so runs now and about 10 times of those I screwed up in the first part, quite a few times because of nightmares and Aatxes. I don't know, maybe I'm getting the timing when aggroing wrong or something but with the success rate of 1 out of 3, I can't afford this run. Maybe it's better to practice the first run with smaller groups instead of aggroing en-masse.

^ Edit: This was actually just my incompetence, I've done about 20 runs today and I've only failed the first part about 3 times, mostly due to my stupidity. It takes some practice and observation skills. For instance, there are 3 groups of 2 Aatxes up the stairs infront of you and most of the time there is another that is patroling left and right. This one is usually more relentless in chasing you than any of the others. Also there are 2 types of Nightmares, ones that stand still and ones that patrol the area. Both will usually pull an Aatxe with them which will assume their behaviour and these too will not let you go in most cases until the Nightmare is dead. Moreover, when pulling the first group look behind you (default button is 'Y'), if any of the Aatxes follow you, try to shake them off before trying to aggro the other two groups on the left as it is likely that you will be stuck with at least one then and it's a lot harder to shake them off with 15 or so grasps on your tail. I hope this helps anyone having trouble with the first part.

dont feel no pain · Oct 04, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

I play gw on wireless... = lag

= never fail except for lag jumps (as seen on my vid nearly getting owned by coldfires)

....

Played at a internet cafe....

(@_@) was so cool and lag free (jealous)

Keneth · Oct 05, 2007, 10:28 AM // 10:28

Hehe, I've never managed to escape coldfires and I hardly ever get ping over 200. They're a nasty bunch, sometimes they get stuck in the most annoying of places, blocking your run. I've figured a few things about their behaviour too though, for instance they will almost never get pulled with smites even when very close together, if you use a bow you can usually pull the smites away from them (if you can't get to them otherwise), a bow is also useful when they get stuck, if you fire an arrow or two and quickly run away it's likely that they'll follow you and later assume their normal patroling routine. Also when the smites go berserk, they'll usually kill a group or even two of coldfires that cross them so you can decide what is more beneficial to your run.

Nimrod EX · Oct 05, 2007, 12:55 PM // 12:55

is this run really worth it? i mean...i saw the youtube video, you may be doing 13 smites at a time but u only get like 2 drops from all of them...its best to vwk one at a time for better drop rates.
if i VWK the smites 1 mob at a time i get 2-3 drops per mob, but if i do YOUR build (as ownage as it is :P ) i get 2 drops from THREE mobs, thats a waste of perfectly good smites :P plus vwk isn't THAT much slower than your build... in the video on youtube, i have no idea how u get the 1k back (unless u lucky to get passage scroll or ecto...which won't happen all the time)

AscalonWarrior · Oct 05, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Nimrod EX

is this run really worth it?

I got 4 ectos in one run (20k in 15 minutes) So I'd say yes.

Carboplatin · Oct 05, 2007, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by AscalonWarrior

I got 4 ectos in one run (20k in 15 minutes) So I'd say yes.

yeah average it out over your total number of runs and you won't be able to apply that rate.

UW used to be a good farm, now there are better farms imo. But this build is still the awesomness.

dont feel no pain · Oct 05, 2007, 04:58 PM // 16:58

hmmm i average 0-2 ecto a run, 3 on a lucky one, 4 in every million ^^

but yeah averages to 25-50kish per hour on normal run rates.

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Originally Posted by Nimrod EX

is this run really worth it? i mean...i saw the youtube video, you may be doing 13 smites at a time but u only get like 2 drops from all of them...its best to vwk one at a time for better drop rates.
if i VWK the smites 1 mob at a time i get 2-3 drops per mob, but if i do YOUR build (as ownage as it is :P ) i get 2 drops from THREE mobs, thats a waste of perfectly good smites :P plus vwk isn't THAT much slower than your build... in the video on youtube, i have no idea how u get the 1k back (unless u lucky to get passage scroll or ecto...which won't happen all the time)

Now what i finds weird is, i do get less crappy drops which add up to my entrance fee (merch food), but when i do get good drops, they realy show, like before i had 2 ectos + 1 scroll drop and a key from a group of around 18 smites, its like handing the good stuff in a run at once, I also have done a run with pure sword one on one fast killing 1 at a time to gain all drops, i got alot more crappy stuff, but around the same ectos. so this means that: this run does not lower ecto/golds/key drops, just crappy drops

So realy you get more good stuff over time ^^ ... if im right that is

bored-.-bored · Oct 05, 2007, 11:32 PM // 23:32

i get between 1-4 a run, but msot runs i get 2 ectos so meh thats good for me..