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Darksun · Jan 07, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

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Originally Posted by giroe

i just made some calculations, i have found out it can be done within 8 hours.
i have calculated this, 1 jade at hm give 300xp without scrolls, in one run u can kill around 40 jades. thats within a time limit of 10 minutes. thats 12k xp in 10 minutes. So i you are using scrolls that mean u get 36k every 10 minutes.

now the calculations starts assume u have the money and buy a lot of scrolls of lightbringers 3x xp.
300*3*40=36.000 xp
1337/36=37.2 runs
37.2x10=372 minutes
372/60=6.2 hours.
lets say u need at least 1.30 hours too get to the mainland and some hero's be4 u can start farming.
all together u will be done in within 8 hours u will have lets say 10 minutes too fool around xD

Ow yeah the money part now xD:
37.2 runs , i will make it 38
1 scroll cost now? 2.5~3k?
38*2.5= 95k gold
38*3= 114k gold

Guess u can almost buy this title, the power of calculations

btw i tried it and it works, althoug i didnt made it too the end i died sigh...

But doesn't Antithesis' build include more than 1 character? the More Heroes/Hench you have, the less xp you'll get.

Killroy's really seems way safer too. Only in HM is there a viable chance of dying.

Armond · Jan 07, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Darksun

But doesn't Antithesis' build include more than 1 character? the More Heroes/Hench you have, the less xp you'll get.

Killroy's really seems way safer too. Only in HM is there a viable chance of dying.

XP only splits between people within earshot (or perhaps Soul Reaping range) of the dying creature.

Burning Blade · Jan 09, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

thanks again for the great guide. I got LS for my Sin and I am making LS for my warrior. Here are 2 things I find worth mentioned:

- With 35AL + 20AL vs Physical attack and no other armor buff from skills or equipments, Jade attacks never deal more than 73dmg with Life Barrier (52% reduction) is on. No need to bring Protective Spirit? I wouldn't risk though

- Spirit Bond is triggered BEFORE Life Barrier so even you are hit by less than 60dmg, you are still healed by SB. With 52% reduction in dmg, the minimum dmg to trigger SB is 60(1-0.52) = 28.8 or 29

Armond · Jan 09, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Smells like <s>teen spirit</s> great win.

(And lol @ failing with code on post #404)

Antithesis · Jan 10, 2008, 12:58 AM // 00:58

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Originally Posted by Darksun

But doesn't Antithesis' build include more than 1 character? the More Heroes/Hench you have, the less xp you'll get.

Killroy's really seems way safer too. Only in HM is there a viable chance of dying.

Heroes do not gain XP if they are not within your agro circle, it states this in the guide.

I've just updated the guide to include the third installment - Other Builds and XP Farming Locations. The original guide pre-dates GW:EN so i've added the Snow Worms in HM outside Boreal Station and Kilroy's as alternatives, they're even better now you can access GW:EN at level 10.

If you have other XP farming spots post them in the thread. If they're considered viable i'll add them to the post - i'm not precious about the guide so if there's a better spot or a better way to do it, let us all know!

I've also added the criticisms back in because i can't be fuggered answering every cry-baby who questions the morality of posting the guide. In a nutshell - if you don't like it, don't do it...no-one else gives a crap about your titles

Antithesis · Jan 10, 2008, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Burning Blade

With 35AL + 20AL vs Physical attack and no other armor buff from skills or equipments, Jade attacks never deal more than 73dmg with Life Barrier (52% reduction) is on. No need to bring Protective Spirit? I wouldn't risk though

I've mentioned in the guide PS is not needed but still recommended, particularly when trying to get agro when you're out of Symbiosis on longer runs. I've re-added info and links about experiments with Life Barrier, Life Bond and Spirit Bond into the Criticisms section of Part Three of the guide.

chowmein69 · Jan 10, 2008, 06:32 AM // 06:32

i just saw a video of a warrior with 2 bonders heroes and he only had SoJ in his skill bar , was wondering if only having SoJ and the bonders put all the bonds on me works. i dont want to buy all the other skills :P

Antithesis · Jan 10, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

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Originally Posted by Soulless Warhawk

i just saw a video of a warrior with 2 bonders heroes and he only had SoJ in his skill bar , was wondering if only having SoJ and the bonders put all the bonds on me works. i dont want to buy all the other skills :P

Yes it works, but it's much slower. Take max armor and preferably, some armor boosting skills. You still need to buy a bucketload of skills on the bonders which probably cost less than the cost of max armor, so you're much better off with the X/Mo builds and bonders.

chowmein69 · Jan 10, 2008, 02:58 PM // 14:58

ah ok thanks for the reply , ill go try the builds out

Angra · Jan 12, 2008, 07:25 AM // 07:25

well... i had my doubts but, on the second character i tried:

nice guide man. serious thumbs up.

streaper · Jan 15, 2008, 03:05 AM // 03:05

Right now im doing the easy run: Character Born in Factions

Survivor : Lv15 R/Mo using the skills Protective Spirit, Spirit Bond, Vital Blessing, Balthazars Spirit, Essense Bond, Serpents Quickness, Whirling Defense, Zojuns Haste.

Hero : Lv15 Dunkoro using Serpents Quickness, Symbiosis, Life Barrier, Holy Wrath, Retribution, Life Attunement, Blessed Signet, Signet of Devotio.

I've used Rampager's Insight Scrolls but i cant seem to kill the 2nd group of Jade Nights because it runs out seconds before i kill them. Any ideas on how to do this would be great.

Any tips on skills that arent Elites would be great also.

Antithesis · Jan 15, 2008, 04:37 AM // 04:37

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Originally Posted by streaper

Right now im doing the easy run: Character Born in Factions

Survivor : Lv15 R/Mo using the skills Protective Spirit, Spirit Bond, Vital Blessing, Balthazars Spirit, Essense Bond, Serpents Quickness, Whirling Defense, Zojuns Haste.
--snip--
Any tips on skills that arent Elites would be great also.

There's your problem right there - drop Whirling Defense and Zojun's Haste! You do NOT want their hits to be blocked! The less you get hit, the less damage the smite bonds do, the less you'll be healed by Spirit Bond and ultimately the slower the run.

You don't need to run any ranger skills, just focus on recasting Spirit Bond at the right time.

streaper · Jan 15, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

There's your problem right there - drop Whirling Defense and Zojun's Haste! You do NOT want their hits to be blocked! The less you get hit, the less damage the smite bonds do, the less you'll be healed by Spirit Bond and ultimately the slower the run.

You don't need to run any ranger skills, just focus on recasting Spirit Bond at the right time.

I never used those 2 skills to be honest. i saw someone post up a pic in one of the pages and i just copied the skill list but i never found those 2 skills to be useful. Even thought I dont use those 2 skills i still cant kill those jades fast enuff. i forgot to mention that im using starter armor and 1 piece of feet armor thats AL25 (i sort of frgt that i had to keep the starter feet piece)

Ghost of Toast · Jan 15, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Is it possible to farm safely farm lilian with this and visages on skillbar?

Antithesis · Jan 16, 2008, 05:42 AM // 05:42

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Originally Posted by Ghost of Toast

Is it possible to farm safely farm lilian with this and visages on skillbar?

Forget the Visages, Jade Knights are the least of your worries. Take [skill=text]Mantra of Resolve[/skill] and you're good as gold - the Mesmers use [skill=text]Signet of Disruption[/skill].

SilentDaze · Jan 18, 2008, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Hi Antithesis,

I would just like to say well done for posting an awesome guide, I made another monk just to test the triple bonder heroes really, the title was just a bonus.

I somewhat modified the run to what I would deem as cost efficient as possible, I completely ignored Shen the Magistrates group, because after practicing on a different monk I have I found that her mob was the only one where symbiosis had a tendency to drop, and as has been previously stated, if symbiosis drops after you've sustained too much damage, the next hit will be your last, and your title is gone.

My run ended after killing the mob which drops down from ropes (across the bridge opposite Lian) obviously killing her and her group before proceeding there. Usually I'd have 30 seconds or so left before my scroll ran out just as the last foe hit the floor from the "rope" group, so as opposed to moving on to shen's group, I simply zoned back to the marketplace, rinsed, repeated.

The first time I went for this title was on my ranger, I did it the HARD way, capping skills and doing the same tedious quests that i'd already done 4 times or more and to be honest, I can only describe it as tedious.

I honestly do not see any logic or sense in some posts in this thread at all, particularly the ones who say "theres no sense of achievement" or basically state that you're not "earning" the title... you're basically doing the same thing in both methods, farming the title or doing it the way arenanet intended it to be done, only difference is that one method seems to be far less costly and time consuming.

Life Barrier is an absolute godsend when working in conjunction with the other skills in this build, anyone who says different simply cannot do basic maths.

Concerning drops, I had around 30 gold drops in the 100+ runs I did, alongside a few greens and two elite ele tomes, seeing as I'm sharing drops with my heroes I'd say that's a fantastic amount of loot. One of the golds was a Q9 15^50 Katana which was awesome.

::Hints::

Here's some problems I encountered and tips I can share. Most of them have been said already, but meh, wont hurt.

- Your ranger hero WILL NOT renew symbiosis (or any other spirit) unless the spirit has been "dead" for a good couple of seconds, that's a few seconds of downtime which can potentially screw up your efforts. So it's wise to do it manually.

- Binding your space bar to "log out" is a necessity, a small lag can be devastating.

- "Make Haste!" speeds up the general process of the runs, I shaved a huge amount of time off my collective run by using it between groups, and it's brilliant for diving back under the cover of symbiosis.

- I didn't use any of Acolyte Jin's skills except Blood is Power, Symbiosis and EoE.

- If you're heroes are flagged too close to the aggro, even when they are on passive they will attempt to heal you, thus drawing the attention of jade knights in particular, my heroes managed to gain almost 5 levels each even though they weren't supposed in aggro range of the jade.

- If anything runs past you toward your bonders, immediately log out, don't hesitate.

- Mantra of Resolve ends if it cant take energy away from you, it's best to wait until every Jade is dead before attempting to use backfire/empathy on the rits, solely so theres no risk of the stance ending when you still have half a mob thirsting for your blood.

Once again Antithesis I for one certainly appreciate the time and effort you put into the testing of the content of this guide, as well as the creation.

Good job.

Antithesis · Jan 18, 2008, 02:08 PM // 14:08

No wukkers, glad you found the guide useful. The run you've described is the Hard run in the guide - should net about 20K XP per run. I preferred the longer 70K / 20 min runs to cut down on the repetition and boredom factor.

The guide is somewhat obsolete compared to the ease and flexibility of the Kilroy Stonekin quest for LS title farming, but I created the build for my own amusement to learn how to use bonders and to see how many useful skills i could cram onto 3 heroes to play around with Symbiosis' HP boost effect

I've just finished EoTN and will start playing around with three heroes in the dungeons - i'm sure the build will work in many of them considering it's an extension on the 600/Smiter build, and they seem to work.

Tyla · Jan 18, 2008, 02:20 PM // 14:20

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

I've just finished EoTN and will start playing around with three heroes in the dungeons - i'm sure the build will work in many of them considering it's an extension on the 600/Smiter build, and they seem to work.

Heroway 600/smite for any profession....i like!

Antithesis · Jan 18, 2008, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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Originally Posted by streaper

I never used those 2 skills to be honest. i saw someone post up a pic in one of the pages and i just copied the skill list but i never found those 2 skills to be useful. Even thought I dont use those 2 skills i still cant kill those jades fast enuff. i forgot to mention that im using starter armor and 1 piece of feet armor thats AL25 (i sort of frgt that i had to keep the starter feet piece)

Things are slower going in Normal Mode - getting from level 15 to 20 on this run sucks!
It speeds up significantly in HM. Try dropping the armor altogether.

MASQUE EYE · Jan 18, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

i love the guides, as for me I am farming my xp in UW with my mesmer. I just bring heroes to pop the NM's and do grasps and smites. I figure id get more ectos and get the title at the same time. It is very dangerous but i like being on my toes all the time.