Curse

Fried Tech · Nov 21, 2007, 02:29 PM // 14:29

great post.
im trying with my mo/e right now. prot and earth magic were made for eachother.

Sliver armor ftw!!

Once i get out of factions i plan on farming either the academy or gates of kryta missions in hardmode. both also quick with lots of enemies

academy = 20+charr in 5-6min
gates = 40+ undead 4-5min

lilDeath · Nov 21, 2007, 09:49 PM // 21:49

ah !@#$
This type of guide takes the whole sense of achievement out of the title.
It's a good title and does not deserve to be earned with mindless XP farming, imo.
I have 6 chars with survivor 3 (another one with lvl2, lagdeath ftl -.-) and did not do any XP farming whatsoever. I did quests, main missions and capped elites.
And none of them took longer than 80hrs to complete, varied between 40-70hrs.
And I am proud about doing it this way, I played the game.

Thankfully, others know it is very good title and it is hard to get if you play the game, that's why I got several pm's ingame after I reached it on my last char, my Derv, too.

GG. Don't be surprised to be frowned upon by those that earned it the honest (honorable?) way.

Antithesis · Nov 21, 2007, 10:48 PM // 22:48

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

ah !@#$
This type of guide takes the whole sense of achievement out of the title.
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GG. Don't be surprised to be frowned upon by those that earned it the honest (honorable?) way.

Pffftt....how on God's green earth is anyone ever going to know your title is farmed?!?

I still haven't put the last part of the guide back up which included a section on criticisms of the build. I answered the critics simply by stating my main toon pre-dates the Survivor title, and with over 2000 hours under his belt i'm not going to recreate him for one additional title. So i farmed the title with another character to get the Hall of Monuments bonus for GW2.

Don't like it, don't do it

I'll take one day of dull, repetitive farming over two to three weeks of dull, repetitive questing any day of the week. And i'll have 7 Legendary Survivors in the time it takes you to get one

...then i can fart-arse around as much as i like completing the rest of the game, safe in the knowledge my title isn't at risk due to an incompetent PuG, a bad spawn or lag.

Nice job on the 6 survivors, but i have better things to do than waste an extra 60 hours per character to get the title "ethically". If you play the game for the ingame PMs you're playing GW for the wrong reasons. I play the game for fun, not an over-inflated sense of self-importance.

Antithesis · Nov 21, 2007, 10:58 PM // 22:58

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Originally Posted by Fried Tech

great post.
im trying with my mo/e right now. prot and earth magic were made for eachother.

Sliver armor ftw!!

I've considered trying the hard run with a Mo/E with [skill=text]Spell Breaker[/skill] and Sliver Armor. Or maybe an E/Mo with [skill=text]Obsidian Flesh[/skill] with Glyph of Swiftness and Sliver Armor. Spell Breaker and Ob Flesh *could* be useful to avoid the Mesmer interrupts that are the main cause of death on longer runs.

[edit] Spell Breaker is linked to Divine Favor so it's only potentially useful for a Monk. And if you're a Monk, Mo/Me is a better option for [skill=text]Mantra of Resolve[/skill].
OF+SA is ok on the Easy, Medium & Hard runs, as long as OF doesn't get interrupted. Ultimately, OF+SA is pretty useless because you can't consistently kill the Rits...but you could just log out at that point.

Better off running the generic smite build on longer runs (or even better the Mo/Me or Me/Mo), but Sliver Armor can be used to good effect on the Easy Run.

lilDeath · Nov 22, 2007, 09:45 AM // 09:45

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Pffftt....how on God's green earth is anyone ever going to know your title is farmed?!?

I still haven't put the last part of the guide back up which included a section on criticisms of the build. I answered the critics simply by stating my main toon pre-dates the Survivor title, and with over 2000 hours under his belt i'm not going to recreate him for one additional title. So i farmed the title with another character to get the Hall of Monuments bonus for GW2.

Don't like it, don't do it

I'll take one day of dull, repetitive farming over two to three weeks of dull, repetitive questing any day of the week. And i'll have 7 Legendary Survivors in the time it takes you to get one

...then i can fart-arse around as much as i like completing the rest of the game, safe in the knowledge my title isn't at risk due to an incompetent PuG, a bad spawn or lag.

Nice job on the 6 survivors, but i have better things to do than waste an extra 60 hours per character to get the title "ethically". If you play the game for the ingame PMs you're playing GW for the wrong reasons. I play the game for fun, not an over-inflated sense of self-importance.

LOL... Assumptions reign supreme

Repetitive questing? Once a quest is done it is done. No repeating it....

ALL my Survivors were done over a weekend-period, not 2-3 weeks.

AND I do it alone, you cannot trust PuGs regardless or have the chance of a guildie lagging out.
Where you see 60 hours as a waste, I see skill.

Playing the game for ingame PMs, how daft can you be? Ok, nvm.
The ingame PMs were a nice surprise, which made the achievement even better. I doubt a farmer would feel the same, which is evident.

PS> My main char is also 2000+ and of course don't have Survivor, so not too sure what you trying (fail) to state.

Antithesis · Nov 22, 2007, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

Repetitive questing? Once a quest is done it is done. No repeating it....

6 x Legendary Survivors = 6 x lead up quests, 6 x main missions, 6 x side quests, 6 x skill cap farming....sounds like the definition of repetition to me.

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

ALL my Survivors were done over a weekend-period, not 2-3 weeks.

So your 1337 skillz transcend the boundaries of time and space...amazing how you managed to get 70 hours of play into a 48 hr period

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

AND I do it alone, you cannot trust PuGs regardless or have the chance of a guildie lagging out.

Hiding in the bushes and flagging your heroes / henchies to do the dirty work eh

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

Where you see 60 hours as a waste, I see skill.

I see 420 hours for 6 Legendary Survivors as anything but skillful. I see that as an inane waste of time.

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

Playing the game for ingame PMs, how daft can you be? Ok, nvm. The ingame PMs were a nice surprise, which made the achievement even better. I doubt a farmer would feel the same, which is evident.

There are greater achievements in life than having one's e-peen stroked.

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

PS> My main char is also 2000+ and of course don't have Survivor, so not too sure what you trying (fail) to state.

My point is that once you've completed the game there's no incentive to repeat the exercise. It's boring and repetitive and doing it 6 times is hardly worth kudos.

We're both farmers, my run just happens to be a hell of a lot shorter, much more efficient and significantly less time-consuming.

lilDeath · Nov 22, 2007, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

6 x Legendary Survivor your way = 6 x lead up quests, 6 x main missions, 6 x skill cap farming....sounds like the definition of repetition to me.

So your 1337 skillz transcend the boundaries of time and space...amazing how you managed to get 70 hours of play into a 48 period

Hiding in the bushes and flagging your heroes / henchies to do the dirty work eh

I see 420 hours for 6 Legendary Survivors as anything but skillful. I see that as an inane waste of time.
There are greater achievements in life than having one's e-peen stroked.

My point is there is that once you've completed the game, there's no incentive to repeat the exercise. It's boring and repetitive and doing it 6 times is hardly worth kudos.

We're both farmers, my run just happens to be a hell of a lot shorter, much more efficient and significantly less time-consuming.

ah yes... leet-speak, you must be all that.

3x24=72 maths?

Just because you couldn't do it the skillful way and had to flag your H&H to do your work, and still couldn't do it (hence this guide), dont think someone else cannot do it either ... and a completely different way too.

You have your opinion and I have mine, we're going around in circles seeing you don't want to admit I'm right

I gave my opinion about this mindless-farming guide, which a 6 year-old can do. Not much of an achievement, really.
I've achieved what I set out to do in my post.

Different chars makes for different playing styles and a different experience, nothing repetitive about it.

Only person's e-peen being stroked is, in all likelihood , yours with wanting to put such a guide up... "Ah man, you're soooo good" blah blah blah.

GG

Antithesis · Nov 22, 2007, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

3x24=72 maths?

3 day weekends...i wish i was so lucky and didn't need to sleep, eat, shit, shower, shave, work & socialise. Sounds like you're leading quite the highlife.

I was referring to your average title time and the working man's weekend (i guess you don't know much about that judging by your profile) you clever little mathematics type guy. I see you bought a book to work it out...good for you! But there's still only 48 hours in a weekend and 24 hours in a day. You could argue (and i'm sure you'll attempt to) that Friday night is the weekend too, but it still only gives you an extra 5-7 hours. Beats me how you're playing 20-35 hours a day - impressive stuff, your parents must be proud.

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

Just because you couldn't do it the skillful way and had to flag your H&H to do your work, and still couldn't do it (hence this guide)

Now who's putting the ASS in assumption. So what you're saying is "I am rubber, you are glue!" Well played Sir, i tip my hat to you

My guess is you couldn't work out how to get the LS title quickly after weeks spent mindlessly trudging through mission after mission innumerable times with your cookie-cutter Searing Flamers or Minion Masters (which takes a HUGE amount of skill to run, GG). You realise there must be an easier way than hiding behind your henchies, avoiding difficult encounters and farming Elite skill caps, so you find yourself on this thread seeking the wisdom of others. You're shocked to find out someone's worked out how to farm your precious title in less than 10 hours, so you disparage those who shared a more efficient means to an end

Tut tut tut...play nice or mummy will take your modem away.

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

I gave my opinion about this mindless-farming guide, which a 6 year-old can do. Not much of an achievement, really.

Ah...that's kinda the point of the guide, so your average player can snag the title easily, quickly and safely...nice detective work there Sherlock!

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

you don't want to admit i'm right

Right about what? You haven't even made a valid point let alone constructed anything resembling an argument. All you've done is reinforce mine - LS is dead easy to farm.

There's a vast difference between doing the Easy run which is lame and cheesy but works, and farming all Jade Brotherhood with 1 to 3 Heroes, which takes much more skill and micro-management than running 7 'set and forget' Heroes and Henchies through the wilderness. I chose to farm the 100 Jades which can be seat-of-the-pants action-packed fun and was rewarded with 72,000 XP per 20 min run. Do the math (here's your link again so you don't forget where you bought your book) then convince me who's playing the game the right way to gain the LS title.

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Originally Posted by lilDeath

I've achieved what I set out to do in my post.

And what was that? To try to get someone to spank your monkey for you? WoW! 6 Legendary Survivors the long, slow way...I guess i should just delete the guide now you've stolen my thunder and put me in my place.

The fact you've even got 6 LS speaks volumes of your need for extrinsic validation for your own perceived elite status. In a nutshell you want others to stroke your ego, hence your post. Alright, alright, i'll give it a crack...w00t! You go girl! Feeling superior yet? There's simply no reason to have more than one LS unless your motive is to feed an obsessive compulsive personality, a superiority complex or a gaming addiction!

My motives by comparison are humble and altruistic - i'm simply giving back to the community and lending the little guy a helping hand. Judging by the popularity of the thread and its consistent appearance on the front page of this forum for over five months now, i've done my job. Helping others achieve their goals is reward enough for me.

I'm not knocking your methology nor motives, but you should accept that there's more than one way to skin a cat, whether you like it or not. You can farm the title in any number of spots using any number of builds. Or you can play through the game without dying. It just so happens that farming is significantly faster....and I'm not sure whether you've noticed, but you're in a FARMING forum smartypants!

Speed, usability, accessibility and efficiency are the ideals, ethics plays no role.

My advice is to let it go - take a deep breath and repeat after me..."calm blue ocean...calm blue ocean...". All you're doing by trolling is bumping my guide to the front page and giving me a chance to stir the pot. Your best hope for revenge is to see the thread die a long, slow, painful death...much the same way you farmed your LS titles.

Vulkanyaz · Nov 22, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

lilDeath: stop trying to cause shit and gtfo!

Fuzzy Taco · Nov 22, 2007, 10:44 PM // 22:44

i smell a troll.

Kitty RawR · Dec 01, 2007, 05:06 PM // 17:06

got bored so since my mes still didnt die

decide to go for legendary .. and came accross making this werid 55 thing

still havent reach the title..but at this point, title is at hand easy

.. 4mins a run, using hunter insight...using 16illusion,15 fast casting..

usage... common sense.. SoI blessedAura/BS/EB/ protection spirit will last long as well as SoA, Healing breeze.. one dmg thing but does fine..
weapons.. as any 55... +5energy 20% enchant.. -50grim crest

you can remove bless for arcane echo, empathy ..but havent tired yet O.o dont wana risk it somthing going wrong.. x.x

hope this would help with others trying to go for it...with mesmer

Abonai Laguna · Dec 02, 2007, 12:30 PM // 12:30

@ lilDeath: You are a very sad and lifeless person..
@ Kitty RawR: Hey, that one is kinda nice, got my first survivor title ^^, but then I got sloppy and died..
@ Antithesis: Love the guide, great work!

Armond · Dec 03, 2007, 06:53 AM // 06:53

@Kitty RawR: Try 10 prot, 10 heal, 11 smiting, spare points in fast casting. Skills are prot spirit, soa, shielding hands breeze, soj, somw, essence bond, and balth's spirit. Now you have (zomg) an elite that does damage *and* helps you survive, instead of an elite that powers your damage.

Adam144 · Dec 03, 2007, 07:51 AM // 07:51

This thread made me lol.

Antithesis, you're a genius.

Kitty RawR · Dec 03, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

o.o i tired SoJ.... i took a monk hero with SoJ ..while took Arcane Minicry ..SoI with that does better since its 16 smite i like going alone so i can get the drops <.<; .. -^^- thx for the suggestion anyway

Armond · Dec 03, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by Kitty RawR

o.o i tired SoJ.... i took a monk hero with SoJ ..while took Arcane Minicry ..SoI with that does better since its 16 smite i like going alone so i can get the drops <.<; .. -^^- thx for the suggestion anyway

My question is, why do you have SoI at all? All it does is take up a skill slot, when you can easily reallocate attribute points to be effective and deal some actual damage instead of just using empathy. 16 smite vs 11 smite isn't that huge a difference unless you're in UW or some such (where you need extremely high damage because you need to kill the other guys before they kill you).

Your current setup has Empathy doing 58 damage a hit to one target for 16 seconds, recharge 10. SoJ would have you doing 38 damage to all targets for 17 seconds, recharge 45. It'd be slower, but keep in mind that SoJ also causes knockdown, reducing the enemy's attack speed and increasing the time you have to regenerate health.

Archaic · Dec 03, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

I don't understand why credit is being given for the idea. I mean...he wasn't first to think of it, so why do people credit him for the idea? People we're(at least I was) farming those Jade since the beginning of factions.

Armond · Dec 03, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by Archaic

I don't understand why credit is being given for the idea. I mean...he wasn't first to think of it, so why do people credit him for the idea? People we're(at least I was) farming those Jade since the beginning of factions.

Because he posted it for everyone. Those that didn't know it before now give him cookies.

Kitty RawR · Dec 03, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

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Originally Posted by Armond

My question is, why do you have SoI at all? All it does is take up a skill slot, when you can easily reallocate attribute points to be effective and deal some actual damage instead of just using empathy. 16 smite vs 11 smite isn't that huge a difference unless you're in UW or some such (where you need extremely high damage because you need to kill the other guys before they kill you).

Your current setup has Empathy doing 58 damage a hit to one target for 16 seconds, recharge 10. SoJ would have you doing 38 damage to all targets for 17 seconds, recharge 45. It'd be slower, but keep in mind that SoJ also causes knockdown, reducing the enemy's attack speed and increasing the time you have to regenerate health.

not to be mean or anything....but sure empathy is 58dmg a sec.. unlike SoJ does 38 every 2 sec -1 cause of KD which SLOWS dmg rate, now do some math soj 19 last half of that is 9 or 10sec not enough to kill.. even with soj at 11smite only half hp is still on which is a waste to wait for recharge, SoI/ Empathy kills one in 10sec just when its recharge cause of the fast attack rate.. so 30sec to kill the Group or better take off blessed, and take arcane echo 20sec and beats SoJ... but SoI is mainly use for Blessed AUra (enchantments last 37% longer) so SoA will never go out...same goes from PS/HB both like for at least 28sec...so if a lag spike happen, like i did once.. PS/HB is still on ... and im just putting SoI in good use ... your right SoJ is nice for knock down and not worry about my hp..recharge/dmg on that is little, but i just use SoI/Empathy a beta just randomly put together just to get this title quickly...im almost r3 XD

Ambuu · Dec 03, 2007, 10:25 PM // 22:25

got dropped out at 200k (went skill capping and died because of dumb H/H who didn't heal me at all. literally.)
spent a good 50k on him. [from sigs of capture, max armor, runners, etc.]

should i remake my sin and spend another 50k on it?