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Antithesis · May 11, 2007, 02:02 PM // 14:02

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

My only question... Do you feel a sense of pride and accomplishment when u achieve the title in this way???

I'm not knocking the idea or your effort and time put into figuring this one out, just wondering. I have a surv 3 and I got her by hard work, staying clear of trouble, fighting, running, self healing against mesmers, warriors, rangers across all the campaigns... I can easily say I got the title and I am proud of the 100+ hours i put into getting it...

So yeah, my question is as above, does it feel good to get it this way?

Damn yes....i'd rather spend maybe 20 hours grinding the title in a gold run than 100+ hours tip-toeing through every battle with my finger poised over the F12 key. Sure it can be done "the right way" but this is farming forum, where we're after XP, gold and goodies in the most efficient way possible.

When you've completed all campaigns with one character, there's little incentive to do the same again. The only reason i continue to play is to have multiple lvl20 toons decked out in my favourite armour and weapons so i can test out different farming builds and get into a little PvP action. The faster i get there, the better.

Antithesis · May 11, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

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Originally Posted by tytons

yea i wanna know how he got ss too..if u can actually finish the game to get ss..might as well just finish factions and nightfall along the way..i got mine in a longer time..83 hours..but i finish factions and nightfall..havent really started tyria.

Head to Kamadan or Kaineng, type "WTB Elite Necro Tome", 10 secs later it's in your hands. You only need SS (or SoJ or Glad's or whatever you elite of choice) unlocked on your account and it's available to all characters using a tome.

tytons · May 11, 2007, 02:12 PM // 14:12

oh yea..thanks..i didnt think if the tomes...must have just ran thru my mind since ive only use it once.
oh well..i got 11 chars..2 monks..done with survivor..delete anymore chars i wont have anymore bday presents..haaha

Destinyy · May 11, 2007, 02:15 PM // 14:15

This is true...

As i said, not knocking the idea or anything... I hide my survivor title most of the time, else people don't wanna group with me... I never F12ed once with my title, I played carefully, chose battles wisely, paired with guildies on hard missions and such...

So basically, u need to be pretty well off cash wise to get this build running so early, lol...

My necro is on her way to Cap SS now...

I have it on my account, but don't wanna spend 15K buying the tomb...

Nice 1 anyway...

Destinyy · May 11, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

This is true...

As i said, not knocking the idea or anything... I hide my survivor title most of the time, else people don't wanna group with me... I never F12ed once with my title, I played carefully, chose battles wisely, paired with guildies on hard missions and such...

So basically, u need to be pretty well off cash wise to get this build running so early, lol...

My necro is on her way to Cap SS now...

I have it on my account, but don't wanna spend 15K buying the tomb...

Nice 1 anyway...

TedTheDead · May 11, 2007, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Elite Necro Tomb

Antithesis · May 11, 2007, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

So basically, u need to be pretty well off cash wise to get this build running so early, lol...

You need HM enabled to maximise the benefits of XP and gold drops, so it's sound reasoning that your lvl20 main character may have a spare 20-30K lying around (most of us do).

As i mentioned in the guide, it's a great spot for at least a couple of hours of gold item farming before the farm code nerfs your drops. I've made a few hundred k from 3 or 4 really good drops here so it's worth a look with any character, title hunter or not.

Mitchel · May 11, 2007, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

Oh, and P.S. How do you get SS without leaving LA?

Elite Necromancer Tome

RainwalkerC · May 11, 2007, 04:20 PM // 16:20

this is weird, for some reason my hero cant maintain bonds on me or herself or any1, she would cast it, but the bonds dont show up in her maintain bar, nor does it take away her energy regen??? any1 else have this prob?

another question, how does spirit bond's timing work? it sometimes ends before the 8 second if u recasted it... its weird

Antithesis · May 11, 2007, 04:25 PM // 16:25

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Originally Posted by RainwalkerC

this is weird, for some reason my hero cant maintain bonds on me or herself or any1, she would cast it, but the bonds dont show up in her maintain bar, nor does it take away her energy regen??? any1 else have this prob?

Hit Shift and left-click the hero's skills to disable auto-casting. Select yourself in the Party tab and cast the hero's bonds yourself. Otherwise they'll cancel them.

The hero just needs to stand still for the rest of the run so make sure you park it away from the battle.

Bruce Leeroy · May 11, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

Nice guide. This would probably be good for when the Hall of Monuments comes out and having a character with this title for whatever rewards it gives in GW2. I have 14 characters and have no intention of re-rolling my monk to have to go thru all 3 chapters again. Ill do this just to go for the title.
Thanks.

MercenaryKnight · May 11, 2007, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Just to let people know, you could bring 2 heroes too if you don't want to bother with spirit bond. You could just use 2 monks to bond you up then any sort of aoe damage tealing tankish builds to kill stuff. My idea was the minos outside of ice tooth cave.

cellardweller · May 12, 2007, 01:21 AM // 01:21

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

hmm....you can lag on a quest or henching to a boss and waste 104+ hours too....where's your logic?

At least this way you've only wasted a few hours, not a few days or weeks and chances are the mob'll be dead by the time you're back, even with SB down for a bit. If you make it to the 3 or so secs it takes to recast SB while in a melee, you're gold.

We're only taking on two mobs and lag tends to creep up on you. If you're worried about it, the 700HP should grant you a few secs to map zone outta there. Or if you're really worried about it, take a VWK W/Rt with 800 to 1100 HP (Sig of Stamina, Endure Pain) in Knight's Amor (100AL vs Physical, dmg -3 vs Physical) and the Bonder. Drop VWK, tank, cast the occasional Vengeful Weapon and the mobs will drop within a few seconds of VWK wearing off.

[edit] If you're really, really worried, try the W/Mo tank i've posted below. Barely works up a sweat.

If you're in with hero hench you can happily lag out mid fight and come back with a reconnect, I've done so many times. The AI is perfectly capable of killing any other ai group without you

.It just takes a ten second lag when you're soloing.and you're good. I don't know about you, but I'll get one of these at least 6-7 times a night.

But if you have a perfect connection and never have lag, then why wouldn't you do the insect rangers south of sunspear great hall with a mo/d instead? Better drops (inscribable, no heroes to share with), double xp (from blessings) and faster kills (with SoJ you can take on 4 groups at once, they don't stop attacking because they're rangers).

Antithesis · May 12, 2007, 01:52 AM // 01:52

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Originally Posted by cellardweller

If you're in with hero hench you can happily lag out mid fight and come back with a reconnect, I've done so many times. The AI is perfectly capable of killing any other ai group without you

.It just takes a ten second lag when you're soloing.and you're good. I don't know about you, but I'll get one of these at least 6-7 times a night.

But if you have a perfect connection and never have lag, then why wouldn't you do the insect rangers south of sunspear great hall with a mo/d instead? Better drops (inscribable, no heroes to share with), double xp (from blessings) and faster kills (with SoJ you can take on 4 groups at once, they don't stop attacking because they're rangers).

Haven't tried it, will take a look-see. Thanks for the tip

Captain Arne Is PRO · May 12, 2007, 02:06 AM // 02:06

Why would you use Life Barrier in a 600/Smite group? Life Barrier would reduce the damage you take and thus reduce the damage you return.. :\

Antithesis · May 12, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Captain Arne Is PRO

Why would you use Life Barrier in a 600/Smite group? Life Barrier would reduce the damage you take and thus reduce the damage you return.. :\

The lower damage return from LB is inconsequential when you consider the Knight mobs drops in 6-10 secs when combined with SS on an N/Mo or Mo/N. Drop LB and you get what, an extra second of speed while increasing the risk of dying, which you can't afford to do when going for the Survivor title. I experimented with all of the bonds and it's the one i'd be least likely to drop from this run, that and Life Attunement for the beefed up SB heals.

LB works well when tanking the HM Jade Knights simply because they inflict so much damage. PS and SB still work on a 100AL Warrior, every 5th or 6th hit heals you for 110. At lower ALs, more SB heals trigger and yes, more damage is returned, but i'll take the security of knowing i can be tired, have the dog jump on me, or my wife poke me in the ribs causing me to miss the timing on a recast, yet be secure in the knowledge i can still survive

philo · May 12, 2007, 03:31 AM // 03:31

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

Anti-farm code is still in HM.

Where did you get that information?
The official update report of April 19th clearly states

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"Repeated map entry no longer reduces loot"

in the Miscellaneous section, i.e. comprising both game modes.
There is no mention whatsoever of the implementation of any new loot-reducing mechanism in the Hard Mode specific notes, nor have there been reports of people still receiving anti-farm warnings on repeated map entry, at least not to my knowledge.

From my own experience in HM farming I'd have to confirm that anti-farm code does not seem to be active.

MercenaryKnight · May 12, 2007, 07:55 AM // 07:55

What kind of build should I use for a dervish? I am hoping to not have to buy too many skills so mainly just pure dervish skills would be nice. I was thinking of taking 2 bonders, the one tahlkora with prot barrier, the vital blessing and smite ones, then dunkoro with mending, watchful spirit and balths spirit.

I guess I could buy prot spirit and spirit bond and use my starter armor, but could I just do a regular conviction/ normal skill dervish with maybe avatar of balthazar to speed up the killing for experience?

Also, how hard do they hit without life barrier on? Since I saw a war with 100armor vs al post earlier saying even with that and life barrier they did enough damage to trigger spirit bond.

ArKaiN · May 12, 2007, 11:41 PM // 23:41

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Originally Posted by philo

Where did you get that information?
The official update report of April 19th clearly states in the Miscellaneous section, i.e. comprising both game modes.
There is no mention whatsoever of the implementation of any new loot-reducing mechanism in the Hard Mode specific notes, nor have there been reports of people still receiving anti-farm warnings on repeated map entry, at least not to my knowledge.

From my own experience in HM farming I'd have to confirm that anti-farm code does not seem to be active.

From my experience and from every other hardcore farmer I've talked to, there most certainly is some kind of farming code in effect.

Antithesis · May 12, 2007, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by philo

From my own experience in HM farming I'd have to confirm that anti-farm code does not seem to be active.

Do this run and work it out for yourself - you'll get a heap of Golds in the first 2 to 3 hours, but they get far and few between until eventually, you get the occasional white drop and nothing else.

I've done this with 4 characters on 3 accounts, same result. So in my experience, the HM farm code appears to be alive and kicking. I'd be interested to learn from others how long it takes to revert - i've farmed this run on one toon for maybe a 10-20 runs on 7 subsequent days - no golds yet. I've run missions, vanquised zones...no golds yet.

Anyway, it's off-topic - this is a thread about XP farming and at 3600XP every min or so...that my friend is indisputable