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AceOfNoobs · Jun 01, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Dylananimus

It's probably a GW Urban Myth then

Still, I'll stick to my one by one way cos I know it personally gives me more stuff

I'm a salvage junkie so the more junk I get to salvage the better

Maybe it's just your luck, because the drops are already set as soon as you go into a zone.

Elite Bushido · Jun 01, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

sooo whats faster? the pheonix+ inferno or the vipers defense+lava font+ MoR????

blackknight1337 · Jun 01, 2008, 09:44 PM // 21:44

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Originally Posted by Elite Bushido

sooo whats faster? the pheonix+ inferno or the vipers defense+lava font+ MoR????

Neither is. Vipers defense is only there to kill attaxe with, everything else is immune to poison.

Fastest to my knowledge is Flame Djinns + Lava Font + MoR. You can consistently kill entire groups before any scatter if used right, though it wreaks havoc on your drops (aka don't be surprised with zero drops from 24 mindblades killed at once).

I used to take vipers to kill attaxe, but its faster to just kill grasps and run. Also, taking vipers pretty much requires you to use a cupcake. Cupcakes are well and good, but they screw up your first 8 min or so in plains with the speed boosts. Pulling the first 4 dryders at once is doable with them, but very annoying.

Eric Clapton · Jun 02, 2008, 02:28 AM // 02:28

dream riders pull normally when you use a cupcake, its just the mindblades that don't, to counter that just run backwards and they will follow you.

blackknight1337 · Jun 02, 2008, 02:32 AM // 02:32

you can lose dreamriders pretty easily with a 25% boost when trying to pull them. Either way, flame djinns works better for me for the run, and for killing the riders faster.

ShadowsRequiem · Jun 02, 2008, 03:19 AM // 03:19

Awesome, Just finished a run with MoR + Lava font and everything worked great. You can also easily solo the whole bone pits area too. (watch out for FoC if the minions go hostile)

Though using dash to get away from the charged blackness was a nail biter... Almost died cause I had to stop and cast shadow form but I should have timed it better.

You also don't need to have any radiant insignias on your armor, I did this with only 42 max energy. I also didnt use a 20/20 focus I used a +29/+1 20% which worked fine..... used a Major Shadow arts instead of sup and was able to keep up SF all the time with no problem.

axes are also killable. Pull them and all the grasps into the choke point behind the guy that gives you the clear the chamber quest. As long as you keep them near a wall they should die fairly fast.

Tyla · Jun 02, 2008, 03:24 AM // 03:24

I don't really think MoR affects the run to be honest, because I found I cleared at practically the same speed.

Any other things I can use in place of it for moar speedz?

Oya, I also got a 6 Ecto 1 Ruby run. Obaby!

blackknight1337 · Jun 02, 2008, 04:36 AM // 04:36

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Originally Posted by Tyla

I don't really think MoR affects the run to be honest, because I found I cleared at practically the same speed.

Any other things I can use in place of it for moar speedz?

Oya, I also got a 6 Ecto 1 Ruby run. Obaby!

could probably try pheonix in that slot, would probably be about the same dps as mor, just all at once instead of spreading it out with burning...

if you aren't using flame djinn's already, that makes things faster as well.

my best run is 7 ecto i believe, consistently getting 4-6, with a gold or 2 every couple runs, and a passage scroll now and then.

Ultimate Sacrifice · Jun 02, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

I guess it's luck of the draw, last 2 runs netted me 6 ecto and a Sapphire in the first, and 7 ecto in the second. Anyway great build although I prefer the Phoenix Varient, the Lava Font + MoR combo just causes them to scatter even if their right side is against a wall.

I've made around 30 ecto so far from this, I highly recommend giving this A/E build a shot and thanks again.

blurmedia · Jun 02, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Decided to take a big dump on tombs and double fame and farmed 70 ectos in 2 days. lul

Nittle Grasper · Jun 02, 2008, 01:25 PM // 13:25

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Originally Posted by Ultimate Sacrifice

although I prefer the Phoenix Varient, the Lava Font + MoR combo just causes them to scatter even if their right side is against a wall.

same reason here, I got 9e on second run hehehe

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Originally Posted by Dylananimus

It's something I've noticed too...especially when farming for Glacial Stones.

If you take stuff out all at once you get less 'junk' drops and collectable drops. There doesn't seem to be much of a difference for the gold drop rate however.

If things drop one after the other I tend to walk away with more.

Don't know if anybody else has found this happening.

loot scaling, killing stuff at once you get less normal drops, killing stuff one by one gets you more drops.However rare materials, (and several other items) ectos in this case, ignore this rule. But even then you also get less stuff everytime you enter an area. So him getting nothing probably means his farmed it 1000 times...

kicks66 · Jun 02, 2008, 02:27 PM // 14:27

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Originally Posted by Nittle Grasper

same reason here, I got 9e on second run hehehe

loot scaling, killing stuff at once you get less normal drops, killing stuff one by one gets you more drops.However rare materials, (and several other items) ectos in this case, ignore this rule. But even then you also get less stuff everytime you enter an area. So him getting nothing probably means his farmed it 1000 times...

Stop talking so matter-of-factly about this, everyone!
Really

There is no difference between killing all at once compared to singularly, a thread on guru recently PROVED this. Its just the usual human concept whereby we remember all the bad things and forget the good things. Its the same way people thing the anti farm code is still present

So stop it. Stop ruining the thread with that sort of rubbish.

RotteN · Jun 02, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59

finally got around to trying this today. First run got me 4 ecto and 1 sapphire in 29 minutes.

Can probably chip some time off with some experience. And swapping in flame djin's haste would help aswell.

Bug John · Jun 02, 2008, 03:14 PM // 15:14

viper's defense build is faster for aatxes and bone pits, cows and golems have high armor, poison + burning kills them faster, it's also faster for driders (fleshy creatures)

if you don't want to kill them, you can use flame djinn haste instead of viper's defense, although you don't need it to run to plains, and viper's defense can make you go through a bad behemot spawn blocking the door to mountains

lava font will make some monsters scatter, it maybe be a little slower in the end...

both builds are viable, you have to try to see which one gives you the best results

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Originally Posted by kicks66

Stop talking so matter-of-factly about this, everyone!
Really

There is no difference between killing all at once compared to singularly, a thread on guru recently PROVED this. Its just the usual human concept whereby we remember all the bad things and forget the good things. Its the same way people thing the anti farm code is still present

So stop it. Stop ruining the thread with that sort of rubbish.

there IS a difference, but ectos are not concerned, like any non loot scaled drop, if you kill one by one, you'll get more gold / white items / blue items / collector items, but not more ectos / gold items / purple items, try by yourself, you'll see a clear difference between a run with sliver armor and a run with fire nukes

A Leprechaun · Jun 02, 2008, 04:33 PM // 16:33

For the life of me I cannot do this run. I don't really know the route and I get killed by traps all the time. Is this just me, I am not new to farming but really can't get this to work, I must have spent 15K+ now on UW entrance but can't even just to the mindblades.

~A Leprechaun~

sLiceR · Jun 02, 2008, 04:46 PM // 16:46

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Originally Posted by A Leprechaun

For the life of me I cannot do this run. I don't really know the route and I get killed by traps all the time. Is this just me, I am not new to farming but really can't get this to work, I must have spent 15K+ now on UW entrance but can't even just to the mindblades.

~A Leprechaun~

don't worry, it took me 10k to first complete the run (and I knew the route cause i used to duo chaos planes with a guildie).

One problem I'm having is traps, I'm using the LavaFront+MoR build but changed Vipers Defence for Dash.
I belive I read somewhere that you would not trigger traps if dashed on them, this does not seem to work for me tho..

kvndoom · Jun 02, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by sLiceR

don't worry, it took me 10k to first complete the run (and I knew the route cause i used to duo chaos planes with a guildie).

One problem I'm having is traps, I'm using the LavaFront+MoR build but changed Vipers Defence for Dash.
I belive I read somewhere that you would not trigger traps if dashed on them, this does not seem to work for me tho..

It works. You have to get close enough that by the time your 3 seconds are up, you are well past the traps. And path yourself that you do not bump into anything or otherwise stop moving. Even turning too much can slow you down enough to spring a trap. On occasion a trap will hit its 90 second duration and auto-spring while you're running over it, but that's just random bad luck.

sLiceR · Jun 02, 2008, 05:47 PM // 17:47

thanks kvndoom, I will practice after a run I guess. Do you think running by clicking with the mouse will help to avoid turning and loosing speed?

EDIT: Works for me with mouse clicking (just imagine an invisible line click and dash), hope it will be helpful for someone

Chthon · Jun 02, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by kicks66

Stop talking so matter-of-factly about this, everyone!
Really

There is no difference between killing all at once compared to singularly, a thread on guru recently PROVED this.

You need to re-read that thread. It proved that there is in fact a very slight difference, presumably due to the loot scale implementation. It's credible to say that the difference is so small that you're better off just killing things all at once since it's much faster, but it's dead wrong to say that there's no difference at all.

Nittle Grasper · Jun 02, 2008, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by Bug John

there IS a difference, but ectos are not concerned, like any non loot scaled drop, if you kill one by one, you'll get more gold / white items / blue items / collector items, but not more ectos / gold items / purple items, try by yourself, you'll see a clear difference between a run with sliver armor and a run with fire nukes

ty for not failing

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Loot <read this plz