Curse

Unreal Havoc · Sep 29, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

Problem is that people don't care. If you don't make big numbers (elementalist), tank (warrior), or heal (monk), then you're useless according to all the dumb people out there. There are a lot of dumb people on the internet.

I find this amusing, yet sadly true.

Hare Rama Pigeonus · Sep 29, 2008, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Hey Psy

Looks like I'll load 2 new bars on my monk... you know just in case you need one for a run.

Good job mate.

Rourou

high priestess anya · Sep 29, 2008, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by Flopp Plopp

Ebon battle standard of honor does not work with cry of pain.

battle standard of wisdom does and would be great for cry, especially if you have echo+arcane echo

Martin Alvito · Sep 29, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

there is always space for a mesmer in any team. no one single char can mess up a single target like a mesmer can, mesmers can own any boss in pve with ease without the use of cry (barring mallyx and the like)

This is idiocy. If we're talking shutdown, there is nothing in PvE that a Mesmer can do that a Ranger cannot do better.

You can't Divert monster skills. Bosses have gargantuan energy pools, so you can't pressure the pool out. Good mesmer interrupts have lengthy recharges, so you have to dedicate a larger proportion of your bar to interrupting. You need to dedicate skills to energy management, as you don't have a primary attribute that solves that problem for you.

The Ranger does all those things and simultaneously brings big damage condition pressure to the party. You can't spam damage and interrupt camp at the same time with a Mesmer. You pick one or the other.

While Mesmer is easily the strongest offensive class in PvP, there is a reason people tell you that they are terrible in PvE. Just because you enjoy playing it and it gets the job done does NOT mean it is the most efficient solution. You just get away with running a suboptimal class because PvE is easy.

My Lipgloss is Cool · Sep 29, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

there is always space for a mesmer in any team. no one single char can mess up a single target like a mesmer can, mesmers can own any boss in pve with ease without the use of cry (barring mallyx and the like)

In case you didn't notice, I underlined/bolded/italicized/changed-the-font-of the important words.

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Also, I judge death as a more effective way of messing up a target, so yes, other single characters can do that.

high priestess anya · Sep 29, 2008, 07:39 PM // 19:39

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Originally Posted by My Lipgloss is Cool

In case you didn't notice, I underlined/bolded/italicized/changed-the-font-of the important words.

[email protected]

Also, I judge death as a more effective way of messing up a target, so yes, other single characters can do that.

mesmers are the ultimate assassin and can shut down troublesome targets + do AOE, they are the most versatile of all classes due to sig of illusions etc and play a more vital role than tank, heck they can even roll tank and do AOE.
you missing the point

Shursh · Oct 01, 2008, 03:44 PM // 15:44

so it was brought up earlier that a variation of this could be run by necro primaries - what is the variation? could the OP or whoever post the build? I know it might be slower w/o ER, but soul reaping and signet of lost souls has to count for something right?

also i'm lazy and don't want to run an ele all the way through NF to try this out

EDIT: tried out your suggestion last night in FOW (couldn't get a group together in DOA, unfortunately), and although the mobs in FOW are much weaker than what you see in DOA, the build worked really well. Thanks.

Flopp Plopp · Oct 01, 2008, 03:56 PM // 15:56

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Originally Posted by Shursh

so it was brought up earlier that a variation of this could be run by necro primaries - what is the variation? could the OP or whoever post the build? I know it might be slower w/o ER, but soul reaping and signet of lost souls has to count for something right?

also i'm lazy and don't want to run an ele all the way through NF to try this out

something like this; mind wrack, arcane echo, echo,cry of pain, lightbringer's gaze, necrosis, signet of lost souls, res sig.

EDIT: we used necros at first but even with soul reaping you sometimes have energy problems, it work tho.

Senrath · Oct 01, 2008, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Just note that this build (and any like it) are heavily spawn dependent when attempting to clear Foundry, specifically in the 2nd room. And you won't get anywhere near the times claimed in the first post.

Celebrian · Oct 01, 2008, 08:17 PM // 20:17

We've changed the build quite a bit since the original post as we were having problems with bad spawns in foundry. Rooms arnt a problem anymore as we've put in frigid armour on 2 eles and ebon battle standard of courage, which if the spawn is on top of us theres enough of us alive to res.

And we've already got 1.35 which was an utterly crap run.

killer pini pon · Oct 02, 2008, 10:05 PM // 22:05

the ele bars need alot of work , bonder not realy needed, and personaly takes to much time because its same ting that obitank and takes ages to stack the mobs .

its like this build works but its to slow

okey86 · Oct 03, 2008, 03:48 AM // 03:48

what is the name of skill 7 in the e/a build?

Flopp Plopp · Oct 03, 2008, 06:16 AM // 06:16

to pini pon: ele bars are perfect, just change energy blast for frigid armor. you have no energy porblems what so ever and with ever spell you cast you gain 140-180hp, if something breakes agro you can semi tank with that and a base health of 1300+. we've changed the bonder to bring cry of pain and lb gaze instead of life bond and balth spirit. And about the time, isnt 1h 35min fast enough for a fullrun in HM? still it can do better.

to: okey86: 7th skill is lightbringer signet.

niek2004 · Oct 03, 2008, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by high priestess anya

illusion of weakness is to go along side ether renewal and is also a good back up for when nub tank cant hold aggro

you say the bonder maintains lifebond "ON ALL CHARS" +life barrier+balth on himself+life attune/vital blessing on tank?
holy sheesh bro
you have spirit spammer being your caller with the initial hex...../fail bro!
deep freeze comes first
then your hex caller (who dont carry spirits) so he aint faffing about
why not shared burden instead of deep freeze?
why does your healer monk only have one self heal?
and why do you tank!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!

No really, looks nice.
Id drop the eles for mesmers tho.

Celebrian · Oct 03, 2008, 08:54 PM // 20:54

if it takes you ages to stack mobs i suggest you get a new tank :P

killer pini pon · Oct 04, 2008, 04:16 PM // 16:16

is there any screen shot that can show the 1h:35min run because i'm not saying it dosent work the build works just dont know if its that fast

Celebrian · Oct 04, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

There you go, didnt want to post it as we know we can do so much better and faster. Also the build has changed from what we ran there now.

therangereminem · Oct 04, 2008, 10:16 PM // 22:16

goopd build the only thing i hate when poeple make builds is they narrow it done to a couple of profeesions. uw speed clear when me james danny tears and greive mad ethe build we also made other versions to allow different professions in and do the clear in the saem amount of time,

my alliance has been working on a doa build we use 5 poeple and do full runs, using 2 perams for better blocking and that to tank different area and allow for covering two areas, but i have been looking to allow different things to and could brain storm more

but nice build gj

mightysurvivor · Oct 05, 2008, 12:10 PM // 12:10

what do you do in the 2nd room in the foundry if there is a bad spawn? Could you pls post some pics how you stand there and could you post some pics of the important tank positions in the foundry. Im a german player an we use a different build.

We have the same caller(Me/R) but 3 Mesmer Cryer(Me/Rt,Me/Rt,Me/N).We take mesmers because of fastcast. And we have a bip necro for energy managment and elementalist bonder with ER. The necro also ports out of the room if we have bad spawns to rebirth the group.

The ele bonder uses Ether Renewal and maintains protective bond on all cryers, himself and on the tank.With each spell he gains 32 energy. So the team is supported very well.

I posted a pic where you can see the teambuild.

greetings Mighty

czfeng · Oct 05, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

we have frigid armor on eles instead of energy blast, survival rate is way higher.