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Xiao Erh · Jul 11, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Coney

Let me understand this completely. In HM, you kill 36 vaettir in 5 minutes, then re-zone/re-peat - for ~3-4 golds a run (gold drop rate seems way high, but W/E)?

I'd rather 100LOLz/MoP 33+ raptors every minute, for essentially the same (arguably more in the long run) number of golds. Maybe it pays off given mesmer tomes instead of assassin, but the lack of elite tomes/gold scrolls and chests makes me cringe (and I already have 2 stacks of each assassin/mesmer tomes). Glacial stones are about worthless - I have ~3 stacks, and can't even sell 100 for 5K anymore, so I just use then for alt gloves when I need re-specs.

FWIW, I'd recommend dropping the dwarf run skill for something like EBSoH, might drop the run times by 1 minute or more (max sweets with 1 cupcake/run instead, if you really think that saves any time ~15 seconds?)...

Lots of unvalidated arguments in this thread, about more drops when killing 1 at a time, and bringing leeches... Very much unsubstantiated, and certainly not one way or the other, based on my own experience...

"Lots of unvalidated arguments in this thread, about more drops when killing 1 at a time, and bringing leeches..."

Guess bring leeches arguments is all in your head cos' no one has mentioned any in this thread lol...and lots of unvalidated arguments? Where? Definitely not in this thread, until you and another poster mentioned it.

Anyway, as an E/Me if I wanted to, I can kill an entire group using arcane echo crystal wave, tenai's crystals as much as possible until they died all at once. The results? Measly drops, unlike what they OP described using both to lower their HPs and then slowly finishing them off with sliver.

Another thing...OP has offered an alternative from Keg Bombing for A/E, so please do not hijack this thread to one of Raptor Farming being better, leaching etc., as that is irrelevant.

Coney · Jul 12, 2009, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by no damage tank

1. Go farm raptors if you want, no one is forcing you not to
2. I am just going by what ive seen, i tried about 10 runs of keg bombing... got crap loot, done about 20 of this and each time got at least 3 golds

When I keg farmed, I'd kill all 60 in ~3 minutes - and get usually ~2-3 golds, ~1 mesmer tome, and ~1-2 glacial stones. And I did it a lot, enough I prolly farmed 500+ golds.

Did it enough to realize that you could only farm about 40 minutes before /resigning to sell the golds (unless you salvaged them - pre-mech-stone).

I just want to understand why to bother with this farm now. Seems no reason, unless the gold skins are worth something (don't think so, as I can't get 1k for any gold r9 skins from here or anywhere else).

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Originally Posted by Xiao Erh

Anyway, as an E/Me if I wanted to, I can kill an entire group using arcane echo crystal wave, tenai's crystals as much as possible until they died all at once. The results? Measly drops, unlike what they OP described using both to lower their HPs and then slowly finishing them off with sliver.

Provide the proof that 1 by 1 kills are better loot, or quit flaming me.

EDIT: I've farmed 2 different characters to r10 asuran using SLIVER. I've also done plenty of keg and AOE farming (to R10 asuran and R10 norn). Thus, I have a pretty good *FEEL* for single kill drops, as well as AOE drops. Just wanted to add this, as it's MORE THAN PERTINENT, and proves I'm not just a hijacker or someone who's clueless.

AtomicMew · Jul 12, 2009, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Originally Posted by Coney

Provide the proof that 1 by 1 kills are better loot, or quit flaming me.

It's true. It's been proven. Search wiki.

Coney · Jul 12, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

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Originally Posted by traversc

It's true. It's been proven. Search wiki.

Not true I've seen the evidence - it's not even weak. It's not statistically significant, by ANY stretch.

Marverick · Jul 12, 2009, 02:02 AM // 02:02

There's been a thread on guru about this already. It's the time interval between kills that matters. By bringing everything down to 10 health and then killing with Sliver is still a very small time interval. Granted, it's faster than instantaneously with aoe or kegs, but still, it's a very short interval.

no damage tank · Jul 12, 2009, 07:37 AM // 07:37

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Originally Posted by Coney

Not true I've seen the evidence - it's not even weak. It's not statistically significant, by ANY stretch.

no one is forcing you to change your farming style, if you would rather kill them all at once then go ahead

Edge Igneas · Jul 12, 2009, 07:44 AM // 07:44

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Originally Posted by Coney

Not true I've seen the evidence - it's not even weak. It's not statistically significant, by ANY stretch.

Well here's a Raptor farm I did: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F_0Fxp_Ltg

I can say from experience that when killing all Raptors at once quickly (from degen or AoE) I get few or usually even no drops. The only drops I got from that video were the Sliver kills.

If I run a pure Sliver build it takes much longer to kill all 34, but I usually get golds and scrolls, recently I get nothing though because I believe in over farming as well..

I like this farm because for one its a different area, and two there are different drops. I don't know how some people can farm 24/7 in the same area

It would drive me nuts.

no damage tank · Jul 12, 2009, 08:40 AM // 08:40

can we please just stop talking about raptor farming, talk about that in a raptor farming thread

riktw · Jul 12, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

well the other group can be done to.
i think if you take an nuker or SS guy that you can do this really fast.
here is a pic:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5139/gw029x.jpg
yes i was to lazy to lure them all

Edge Igneas · Jul 13, 2009, 08:44 AM // 08:44

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Originally Posted by riktw

well the other group can be done to.
i think if you take an nuker or SS guy that you can do this really fast.
here is a pic:
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/5139/gw029x.jpg
yes i was to lazy to lure them all

Yeah the trees, I figured that out too yesterday. Now I can get all 60

Crazyvietguy · Jul 13, 2009, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Sooo I decided that this new loot idea was interesting (Killing one at a time as opposed to group death)

I've done this farm 40 times already, 20 using single kill and 20 using group kill and have found that my numbers only differed by 2 golds (as those are the only things worth money from this farm).

The 2 golds were favored for the single kill side though.

Just a little food for thought.

Oh and there are a lot better places to get those spectrals to get stuck than that spot on the left side. *Hint hint*

Xiao Erh · Jul 13, 2009, 01:31 PM // 13:31

My advice to those who intend to farm Vaettirs. Be prepared for the long haul, so empty your inventory of superfluous items, bring a few mercantile summoning stones, measure for measure inscriptions if you have, ID kits with 100 uses, 3 or more salvage kits, an expert salvage kit and spare XP scrolls for those who need more skill points. Salvage all crap white, blue and purple items except those inscriptables that are worth more than 200 gp. Obviously the measure for measure will be useful in cases where you know the high value item you want to salvage will give you rare materials or the specific material you need. Examples are Ruby Mauls, Iridescent Aegis, Jeweled Daggers, etc which has a chance to expert salvage (with M4M) into rubies and others such as Granite Hammers will give you granite in larger quantities. I suggest keeping any crap items of some value but practically worthless when salvaged (example staves that salvaged into wood). These are kept aside until your inventory is full, before activating the Mercantile Summoning Stone. After selling all the high value crap items, you can replenish your inventory with fresh kits for identifying and salvaging.

Usually, Vaettir Farmers will rezone and farm again and again and this can go on indefinitely before calling it quits. Some may even do this for more than a day. The advent of the Mercantile Summoning Stones makes it even more attractive to continue farming longer as you need not go back to town.

I would consider a good haul if I complete the farm with 4 stacks of iron ingots, 2 stacks of wood, 3 stacks of Glitter Dust, lots of granites, more than 100 glacial stones, more than 10 Mesmer Tomes, a few Lockpicks, a few thousand cash, all the Unid Golds I can carry (usually more than 24). That about sums up how to maximise the profits from Vaettir Farming.

Dyes do drop often but usually the cheap ones but once I got 2 black dyes in a single spawn which was pretty unusual. Good luck to you guys.

Coney · Jul 14, 2009, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Edge Igneas

I can say from experience that when killing all Raptors at once quickly (from degen or AoE) I get few or usually even no drops. The only drops I got from that video were the Sliver kills.

I just ran last night 5 runs and got 4 golds, and plenty of scrolls/etc boss kills.

I call shenanigans.

Carnivorous Cupcake · Jul 14, 2009, 09:59 AM // 09:59

Great work and very good original concept. :]

the slasher · Jul 14, 2009, 10:41 AM // 10:41

xiao erh, yes, the mercantile summoning stones DO help out, but that was for the previous build with MR. kegs (budger)... with the build he suggested, with tenais crystals and sliver, its nt rly worth much, as you will lose like, 5 mins to run from one place to the other.... +, I don't know how much they're selling for, but they cost abit of $$ usually....

but yes, i like this build very much, have ran him alrdy and I must say that i get More drops with SA than with regular kegging(pre-nerf) or radfield cop ether nightmare stuff and etc... TY for the great alternative

X-Plosiv · Jul 14, 2009, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by Coney

When I keg farmed, I'd kill all 60 in ~3 minutes - and get usually ~2-3 golds, ~1 mesmer tome, and ~1-2 glacial stones. And I did it a lot, enough I prolly farmed 500+ golds.

Did it enough to realize that you could only farm about 40 minutes before /resigning to sell the golds (unless you salvaged them - pre-mech-stone).

I just want to understand why to bother with this farm now. Seems no reason, unless the gold skins are worth something (don't think so, as I can't get 1k for any gold r9 skins from here or anywhere else).

It was possible to make that run faster. I would kill all, pick up loot and before i zone out write /age and it says 1 min.

Sometimes even 3 runs there would BE NO GOLDS, then would be 5 golds at once...its strange

no damage tank · Jul 14, 2009, 02:30 PM // 14:30

well, as the keg farmer is dead (as previously explained) i believe that this method can still be very effective.... even if single kills dont increase your drops, and if u dont wanna single kill just remove sliver armor

drunknzelda · Jul 15, 2009, 02:46 PM // 14:46

Well you won't get more rare loot this way, but if you like white items this is the way to go (golds etc aren't scaled so). I'm sticking with my Ele, as the only really good thing about vaettir is that you get a lot of event items from then, if it's not event it's a waste of time, and Ele can kill more mobs in same amount of time, resulting in more party stuff and sweets.

no damage tank · Jul 15, 2009, 02:47 PM // 14:47

well you may say that golds arent scaled, but after doing the keg farmer for a while then switching to this for a while i found that they appear to be scaled

Painbringer · Jul 15, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

So would the basic bird farm build work A/E with Standard and Sliver and let them kill themselves?