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Test Me · Oct 06, 2009, 08:33 AM // 08:33

So the thread was closed and could not make any comment there but here's some food for thought.

I've never actually done the UWSC myself because I don't have a sin, but reading that thread made me immediately think: *e-sport*.

Are people making an e-sport out of UWSC and are setting records and trying to get after the records and get better and better? Might it be that GW managed to become an e-sport to some extent in the least expected area: PvE, instead of doing so in PvP?

And is this "PvE turning into an e-sport" trend only possible when ANet does not mess around with their nerfing stick giving players enough time and consistency to get used to a build and a zone to the point where slowly getting better becomes being a pro at it and therefore having better and better performance, just like sports? Would this have happened in the past as well only if ANet would have used their nerf stick a lot less often?

And lastly if people go for records and such in the least expected place apparently (PvE), doesn't that mean: they have *fun* playing a sport and being better/the best?

And even: shouldn't ANet harvest that and actually support/implement a system where UW clears are timed and there would be a best-ever, best last-month, best-last week ladder? Would that be fun?

I'm not trying to take sides in a "nerf SF" discussion, but I just wondered if the above have been considered when talking about that nerf and I also very much doubt (like I've always had) the utility of the nerf system in general for PvE.

obsidian ectoplasm · Oct 06, 2009, 08:53 AM // 08:53

Nerf shadow form. kthxbye

Songbringer · Oct 06, 2009, 09:16 AM // 09:16

The thread was closed for obvious reasons.

Lets close this to

M @ T · Oct 06, 2009, 09:33 AM // 09:33

These kind of threads usually end up in flames. No matter how well thought out or how pure your intensions are Test Me, you'll see that there is no point discussing this.

Andemius · Oct 06, 2009, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Imo when you get UW cleared in 7 mins something's wrong.

Don't Nerf SF, it's a good running skill.

Make Changes to UW so it's not anywhere near as easy for SF players. Signets and Non-Target skills pl0x.

Faure · Oct 06, 2009, 10:13 AM // 10:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andemius

Imo when you get UW cleared in 7 mins something's wrong.

Don't Nerf SF, it's a good running skill.

Make Changes to UW so it's not anywhere near as easy for SF players. Signets and Non-Target skills pl0x.

If you want to keep SF as a running skill the nerf would be obvious: In SF you can't do any damage. Then you can still run what you want, but not farm.

kupp · Oct 06, 2009, 10:59 AM // 10:59

Even as a running skill, NO! Even with dealing no damage, NO! That's not how you deal with it and even like it it would still be overpowered for some reasons. Also, Anet doesn't support 'running' so the ods of this are slim.

I'm sick of all of this and all the arguments to try and save it. Just nerf it to oblivion and make a functional elite skill like every other in the game by taking the invulnurability part and changing it's funcion, if not it'll be abused even if for the more trivial things. Just let it go ffs.

@ OP, exagerating much? PvE into e-sport? That would be ridiculous for the simple fact that Elite areas can't be be cleared in 7 minutes, and the very idea of competition in pve is absurd, competition is always found against other players. So when the lowest possible time is achieved, what next? This looks more to me like a +1 thread disguised as an intelligent discussion tbh.

~ Dan ~ · Oct 06, 2009, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andemius

Imo when you get UW cleared in 7 mins something's wrong.

Don't Nerf SF, it's a good running skill.

Make Changes to UW so it's not anywhere near as easy for SF players. Signets and Non-Target skills pl0x.

Hi. You represent the retard portion of the GW playerbase. Stop posting.

If you have to redesign a whole area because one skill makes it too easy, maybe that skill is actually overpowered?

I hope anet hurrys up with this nerf or removal, as i'm getting bored of seeing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing threads about SF. But then again we'll see even more after from people crying that their farm build is ruined.

subarucar · Oct 06, 2009, 11:42 AM // 11:42

There are best Monthly, Weekly, etc scores for challenge missions, I see only one problem with including these for UW/DoA/etc.
That is nerf/buffs, you can clear UW in 7 mins now, then SF gets nerfed, and no new OP builds come, you have a pretty secure hold of the record, although I suppose that what having different time periods (Daily, monthly ever, etc) are for.

Akaraxle · Oct 06, 2009, 12:06 PM // 12:06

PvE e-sports? DOES... NOT... COMPUTE... RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO

P.S. Yes, I actually swore to make the RED ENGINE GO spam appear.

own age myname · Oct 06, 2009, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by ~ Dan ~

Hi. You represent the retard portion of the GW playerbase. Stop posting.

If you have to redesign a whole area because one skill makes it too easy, maybe that skill is actually overpowered?

I hope anet hurrys up with this nerf or removal, as i'm getting bored of seeing RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing threads about SF. But then again we'll see even more after from people crying that their farm build is ruined.

Don't worry, terratanks are going to be the new UWSC. So, redesigning the UW isn't a bad idea, because with the many cons we have around there are going to be builds sprouting after builds.

OT:

I don't think making into PvE an e-sport is a good idea. If you want anet to have esport, do some more PvP tournies.

Daldaen · Oct 06, 2009, 12:59 PM // 12:59

Just make Shadow Form like Obsidian Flesh, add the movement component to it and that is fine. No more 7min clears once that is implemented. And if you have run with any PuGs recently, the teams will fall apart running up mountains. They even get in the aggro bubble of a charged, they freak out and /ragequit. I think the decreased movement component would be a great addition!

Andemius · Oct 06, 2009, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Quote:

Just make Shadow Form like Obsidian Flesh, add the movement component to it and that is fine. No more 7min clears once that is implemented. And if you have run with any PuGs recently, the teams will fall apart running up mountains. They even get in the aggro bubble of a charged, they freak out and /ragequit. I think the decreased movement component would be a great addition!

That sounds like a reasonable idea, but you may as well use a terra tank if you're gonna decrease speed.

Mayhaps other measures such as health or energy degen when under effects of SF??

I think UWSC needs to be stopped and SF is the key skill, but i don't think nerfing it into oblivion is the answer.

Test Me · Oct 06, 2009, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Andemius

Imo when you get UW cleared in 7 mins something's wrong.

Why? Content is static, players are not. We're supposed to get better at it and find better ways to do it.

If we got a new world record for 100m running to 9.58s does that mean there is something wrong with the universe/gravity/human muscles etc? Can we expect an even better record in the future? Totally.

Since those PvE clears are done thousands of times by so many different teams, they do sound like an e-sport and record setting (and the fun of having beaten the old records) should be included/considered in the game imo. Anyway end PvE clears is big business (last big business?) these days.

But yes, as someone already said that won't work if the nerf stick keeps hitting and that's a shame imo. Fun is lost

Rekliss · Oct 06, 2009, 01:38 PM // 13:38

well when you nerf stuff like raptors, and make the drops crap, or severely reduce them... they move on to something else to make money, you kill one evil only to bring another.

So what, now we nerf the UW, and move on to something else, then nerf that? then the next, then another, and another, and another until the only thing left to do is /quit and start playing another game. Yes, bright idea, lets kill everything and see where we are when the dust settles.

P.S. I love to hear the guys who dont have a perma-sin (or who arent good at it) bitch and whine about what they can and cant do. get a life.

ImDReaperslash · Oct 06, 2009, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by Faure

If you want to keep SF as a running skill the nerf would be obvious: In SF you can't do any damage. Then you can still run what you want, but not farm.

Life stealing and Degeneration are not considered as "damage".
Radiation Field will still be effective.

Quote:

P.S. I love to hear the guys who dont have a perma-sin (or who arent good at it) bitch and whine about what they can and cant do. get a life.

You are such a pro.

Missmelady · Oct 06, 2009, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Rekliss

P.S. I love to hear the guys who dont have a perma-sin (or who arent good at it) bitch and whine about what they can and cant do. get a life.

I'm sorry normally I do not show up on these retarded threads, but this line made me mad. That is the most arrogant statement ever for a few reasons.

1. Obviously if your flaming on a video game forum that whole get a life is a pointless arguement.

2. Some people do not have a sin and some that do do not perma. Why?
A. They actually wanna do something in the game other then push 1 2 3 every time shadow form is about to end. Then push 4 5 6 7 8 to kill something or keep health up or run. Honestly it needs a nerf because it makes you take no dmg from spells or attacks.

3. I have a perma sin, I will not deny that but I still feel as if I am somehow cheating the game whenever I use it.
A. I Taught my 7 year old brother how to perma sin and he can succesfully do anyarea in UW. I mean honestly he can barely read/talk/ or do much of anything and he can do anyarea flawlessly.

Cracko · Oct 06, 2009, 02:57 PM // 14:57

right missmelady, dont lie about your 7 year old brother, cmon.

Test Me · Oct 06, 2009, 03:10 PM // 15:10

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Originally Posted by Missmelady

I'm sorry normally I do not show up on these retarded threads, but this line made me mad. That is the most arrogant statement ever for a few reasons.

Why do you care? And why do you care what other people do (game/life)? It's not your business.

Flaming is only possible if people reply to something totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand like you did. Things irrelevant to the current discussion should be ignored, not at all answered to.

Killerminds · Oct 06, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

no
nerf SF

kthxbai