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Nov 14, 2009, 05:56 PM // 17:56
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dont Play With [Fire]
Profession: W/
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Let's Revive Protective Bond!
...What?
I've came up with some sort of teambuild which utilizes Protective Bond to replace Protective Spirit in a 600/Smite composition. Why would you want to do that... 3 reasons:
Ok so show me the builds already... I like to call this Super 600 Way: Builds and screenshot made using Paw*ned². Thank you for this wonderful application. Note: Specific armor and weapon modifiers are not included in the screenshot. More on that later. LOL are you kidding me? No. At 13 Protection Prayers, the energy loss caused by Protective Bond is 3e / hit. Having 3 people/heroes cast and maintain Protective bond on one person (in this case the 600 tank) splits the energy loss, meaning each player/hero now loses 1e / hit. Now, have all 3 cast and maintain Essence Bond on the tank and Voila, you have 1 super 600 tank. When you've done that, you probably want each bonder to cast and maintain Life Bond on the tank, then have each bonder self-cast Balthazar's Spirit (hope that's clear enough). This stops all energy regenation, but for every hit the tank takes, the bonders will gain 2 energy. (Life Bond itself is not really used to reduce damage, only to make Balthazar's spirit trigger.) Hey there's 8 men in your team :[ Yep, since there's no way to combine a 4-men Protective Bond team with smiting skills (except for maybe Retribution only), You'll need a friend with his own heroes. It shouldn't really matter what role the second human player takes. I'm just telling you it's probably going to be easier if the Ranger/Monk role is played by a human. How do we use this? Mo-N Bonders Template code: Code:
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Best used by heroes. Cast bonds as explained above and flag at a safe distance (but not too far, of course). Tank Template Code: Code:
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Play as regular (chaining Spirit Bond and Shield of Absorption). Use IAU in zones with KD. Switch for Mantra of Resolve in zones without KD, or if you need the interupt-prevention more. Wait for Quickening Zephyr and run in with Spellbreaker on. Cast Anchestor Visage once things start to attack (but watch out for physical interupts: Distracting Shot, Savage Slash,... Cast your visage before battle if necessary). Support Ranger Template code: Code:
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Serpents Quickness allows you to cast Quickening Zephyr without delay. It is only needed for the first cast, after the first QZ, it chains itself. Quickening Zephyr is used to keep up IAU, Spellbreaker and Anchestor's Visage without delay. Famine is used to damage your enemies once Anchestor's Visage has drained their energy: it should trigger each time they hit the tank. Edge of Extinction is optional, change for a good PvE skill if you wish (hint: Ebon Battle Standard of Honor). Maintain Essence Bond on the tank for energy management. Use Primal Echoes when and only when there are enemies using signets (e.g. Healing Signet, Signet of Judgement,...). It disables their signets once visage has drained their energy, but the energy cost also applies to your team's energy! Smiter Template code: Code:
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Should also be a hero. Bond the tank and flag at distance. Heavy health buff is necessary in area's where Reversal of Damage is used. Healing support Template Code: Code:
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Supposed to do exactly what the name suggests. Recovery reduces condition duration by about 40%, Recuperation gives all players in radar +3hp regen. cast healing spells as the situation demands. Protection Support Template Code: Code:
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Yippee, even more bonds! Cast and maintain them on the tank. Not sure if you want to bring Holy Veil, Spellbreaker should stop all hexes anyway. Purifying Veil further reduces condition duration by another 53%. Stacked on top of Recovery, the tank only has to endure about 3% of the regular condition duration!. Use Martyr if the tank becomes dazed. What places can be farmed this way? I have no idea, this build is purely theoretical, and I've not tested the damaging capabilities. All I know is that the Protective Bond thing works. OMG THX I love you and I want your babies!! You're welcome. PS: Discuss. Last edited by Aciid Bu5t0r; Nov 14, 2009 at 06:20 PM // 18:20.. |
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Nov 14, 2009, 06:02 PM // 18:02
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: belgium
Guild: TFW
Profession: W/
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I'm not sure but I think holy wrath and retribution deals less damage like this because of the 5% max health hits.
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Nov 14, 2009, 06:11 PM // 18:11
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dont Play With [Fire]
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Nov 14, 2009, 06:12 PM // 18:12
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Jul 2008
Profession: A/W
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4/10 - Fair build
One thing that is bad in this build is the number of bonders. That means less drops, people in runs, which is bad. I can tell you got the same variant as the 105hp Assassin in Speed Booking of A Time for Heroes. Also it wouldn't be so fun casting all those enchantments on yourself. I would certainly like to have only one hero and cast them in seconds. -6 = Number of Bonders More info: Not many people want to take all those bonders in a 600 run. You would certainly not want to if you are running a dungeon. Final Thoughts: Decent build, the number of bonders kill it. I would rather want to stick with the 600 variant. Last edited by Braxton619; Nov 14, 2009 at 06:18 PM // 18:18.. |
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Nov 14, 2009, 06:22 PM // 18:22
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dont Play With [Fire]
Profession: W/
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The point is that, where other 600 builds fail, this might actually work.
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Nov 14, 2009, 06:24 PM // 18:24
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Join Date: Oct 2008
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Nov 14, 2009, 06:43 PM // 18:43
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dont Play With [Fire]
Profession: W/
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Perhaps you could fit Recovery, Purifying Veil, Martyr and other heals in one skillbar and bring another Spirit Supporter with Quicksand to add to Anchestor's Visage. By the way, Anchestor's Visage has a duplicate skill (Sympathetic Visage). But using 20% longer enchantments and Quickening Zephyr, you only need one of them.
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Nov 14, 2009, 07:39 PM // 19:39
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Oct 2007
Guild: Scions of Carver [SCAR]
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Nov 14, 2009, 07:42 PM // 19:42
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dont Play With [Fire]
Profession: W/
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The same is happening in some dungeon clears (sinway teams)...
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Nov 14, 2009, 07:48 PM // 19:48
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Lion's Arch Merchant
Join Date: Oct 2007
Guild: Scions of Carver [SCAR]
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Nov 14, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08
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Furnace Stoker
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Nov 14, 2009, 08:09 PM // 20:09
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dont Play With [Fire]
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I'm still looking for someone to test this thing, with or without me, and give me some feedback
 EDIT: Protective Bond doesn't say it works that way, but it does. Last edited by Aciid Bu5t0r; Nov 14, 2009 at 08:15 PM // 20:15.. |
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Nov 15, 2009, 12:18 AM // 00:18
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: hell
Guild: Do U Trust Anet
Profession: N/Mo
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old build on youtube
works...but no range and heros will die...end of line (note the Hp) will work..but the more U kill the more hp U get... lets see..why do 600 monks not rull all... monster skills on boss bad bats paragons skills degre strip enc to low dmg... hex trust me.. the 5% spots this build will rull in is...bad use 3 heros to get a extra slot..is bad 1/20 will kill to slow and spellbreker will run out Lag can kill this build..shit happens.. this skill got a nerf...(UW)..long time ago http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Game.../20050825#Monk U not the first ..or last to try.. http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10256215 Last edited by CE Devilman; Nov 15, 2009 at 12:37 AM // 00:37.. Reason: Casual: Horrible player, has no intent on improving their play, and is quite content with waiting until the game is 'nerfed' to their level. |
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Nov 15, 2009, 12:36 AM // 00:36
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dutch Doom Brigade
Profession: W/
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Congratz, you just dedicated a whole team to make a single build work (while 3 people max should suffice)
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Nov 15, 2009, 01:46 AM // 01:46
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Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: At the Mac Store laughing at people that walk out with anything.
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1. Show the build in progress. 2. Show the build working in a very hard area with amazing time. 3. Don't let your ego get ahead of you. If you really want to use protective bond to it's fullest, run an ER infuse. Build More importantly, find a good use for it before posting "purely theoretical" build. Last edited by Zodiac Meteor; Nov 15, 2009 at 01:50 AM // 01:50.. |
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Nov 15, 2009, 11:28 AM // 11:28
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Academy Page
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Belgium
Guild: Dont Play With [Fire]
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@Zodiac Meteor
in certain areas it takes a miracle to survive without protective spirit. If you think it is an unneeded skill then why would you put it in a 600 build anyway? @CE Devilman LOL I've never heard such bullshit. First of all, all your interupt and hex arguments are false. You can bring mantra of resolve to deal with physical interupts. Spellbreaker takes care of spell interupts + enchantment removal + hexes. Spellbreaker will never run out as long as Quickening Zephyr is maintained, and so will Anchestor's Visage. After ~30 seconds of battle, Anchestor's Visage should have drained all energy and adrenaline anyway, making most type of interupts impossible. The only exceptions might be knockdown/interupt signets, but Primal Echoes takes care of those. Quote:
you're supposed to keep them out of battle. I challenge all of you haters to find something this team setup can't do (in area's not influenced by environment effects). This is, as far as I know, the only setup using 1 battle tank which counters all possible drawbacks: knockdowns, interupts, hexes, heavy damage, heavy degen, daze, snares, e-denial, high armored enemies, oversized groups Last edited by Aciid Bu5t0r; Nov 15, 2009 at 11:31 AM // 11:31.. |
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Nov 15, 2009, 06:45 PM // 18:45
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Wilds Pathfinder
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Way to Cold at Home:Illnois and School:Iowa.
Guild: We Trip Hard On [AcID]
Profession: N/
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This build isnt too great overall. I seems to see something similar to this for Duo Kournan Farm with Bonder and Warrior or Duoing Djinn place for Rubies/Sapphires, that build actually worked really well.
Don't get me wrong after playing when got back from other game I notice drops happen more with more heros/henchmen than you get when soloing. It werid. |
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Nov 16, 2009, 09:07 PM // 21:07
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: sweden
Guild: N/A
Profession: Mo/
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-.- at both these posts, think before you type Last edited by mastar of warrior; Nov 16, 2009 at 09:12 PM // 21:12.. |
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