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Day Trooper · Dec 08, 2009, 10:24 PM // 22:24

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Originally Posted by † LãwLiþøþ™ †

Would it be possible to post what runes/insigs to use for the Ele to drop down to 55?

scratch that... I have another question. Everyone starts out inexp...so what would be a good way to start learning how to use the builds? Besides joining a guild thats willing to help?

Frankly that's probably the best approach yes. As we've said more than a few times already, we'll do a full write-up of how this all works IF SF isn't nerfed-to-hell-and-back Thursday. Then it should make much more sense...

-DT

† LãwLiþøþ™ † · Dec 08, 2009, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Day Trooper

Frankly that's probably the best approach yes. As we've said more than a few times already, we'll do a full write-up of how this all works IF SF isn't nerfed-to-hell-and-back Thursday. Then it should make much more sense...

-DT

Alright, thanks

flapjack · Dec 08, 2009, 11:27 PM // 23:27

the emo isnt 55 btw. skele's hit with armor/bond ignoring monster skill BS damage so a 55 would go poof in first bone spike.

DiggiDiggi · Dec 08, 2009, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Yeah Big Whoop, so u made a team build for advanced players. Try coming up with something for pugs then ill be impressed.

lishi · Dec 09, 2009, 12:21 AM // 00:21

What is supposed the ele do before dhumm?

impulsion · Dec 09, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Flapjack thanks for taking the time to write that ^^

Firstly I see now that most of these ideas simply will not work, but you should also be careful not to dismiss things. I dismissed the idea of doing 4H in solo run without recall initially, but then on actually doing it found that it saved a lot of time. UW was done with pools & plains doing 4H together upto 8min, but in order to get 7min both solo 4h and E/A terra was needed - in fact mnts was also E/A for a lot of those runs as well. It seems that vale takes the longest to do, so making the terras faster so you can remove one person from pits/mnts/pools and instead put them in vale seems to be a possible aim (remember pre-nerf there were essentially 3 people doing vale and 1 for each other area). I know I'm basically screaming use ele primaries <3, but it really does improve times, as you said with sins you are looking at 6-8min mnts for example but with E/A it is literally 6min consistant meaning 5-6mins depending on spawn (I would have had 4-5min border-line a couple of times if it was done in an 8man SC).

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Originally Posted by flapjack

That is often how a/me used to prep pits before update although in speed runs they wouldn't kill back group until after they finished quest

Since the spawns are now totally different this really doesn't matter, but what I meant was you would now need to kill back group since it would patrol before quest is started, and since this is the same issue as with duo runs the best way to do it would be as described (in 8man pre-nerf there was only one pull).

I know I should actually goto the uw, but frankly I have no interest in doing something which takes the same time as a pre-nerf duo run; and as you said it's all irrelevant since SF is going to be nerfed soon anyway

Spyda Prince · Dec 09, 2009, 12:43 AM // 00:43

whats the trick of tanking dhuum on ele, symbosis needs to be up?

† LãwLiþøþ™ † · Dec 09, 2009, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by lishi

What is supposed the ele do before dhumm?

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Welthas · Dec 09, 2009, 01:26 AM // 01:26

Very nice builds you guys

Schnellburg · Dec 09, 2009, 01:58 AM // 01:58

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Originally Posted by DiggiDiggi

Yeah Big Whoop, so u made a team build for advanced players. Try coming up with something for pugs then ill be impressed.

And your point is? Be thankful they posted the builds here. Anyone with half a brain can run these. Pugs included. But yes it was geared toward more advanced players, and vent does help a bit as it is easier to talk, then to type.

Solo 4h should be fun, minus the 3 skele's that are in the middle of plains. 2xTerra's for 4h is just safer/easier imo.

flapjack · Dec 09, 2009, 02:48 AM // 02:48

Didn't dismiss the solo 4h option and have done it quite often before the uw changes but it isn't practical or needed now based on the splits. There isn't even a need for a plains tera so why solo it and go to all that trouble and time dragging things around when we can do 4h within a couple minutes of entering plains. And if people are willing to bust out the personal cons and dust off their Ele's then it certainly couldn't hurt their times but the splits and timing are always an issue and small speed increases in certain areas wont necessarily shorten the clear etc.

DiggiDiggi, I understand that you are underwhelmed at a team build for advanced players. (MobWay is excellent for pugs imo) Although I'm sure that someone will put up some builds for mediocre players and teams it is not a high priority at the moment for most of the guys running for speed.

Occidio · Dec 09, 2009, 10:34 AM // 10:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by † LãwLiþøþ™ †

Would it be possible to post what runes/insigs to use for the Ele to drop down to 55?

scratch that... I have another question. Everyone starts out inexp...so what would be a good way to start learning how to use the builds? Besides joining a guild thats willing to help?

SoS is good if you're starting, then doing A/D and lastly the A/Me's or A/E's

Covah · Dec 09, 2009, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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Originally Posted by DiggiDiggi

Yeah Big Whoop, so u made a team build for advanced players. Try coming up with something for pugs then ill be impressed.

Who cares about PUGS? they posted this for exp players who have done everything in the game and are still looking for a challenge.

DiggiDiggi · Dec 10, 2009, 02:29 AM // 02:29

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Originally Posted by Covah

Who cares about PUGS? they posted this for exp players who have done everything in the game and are still looking for a challenge.

I care about pugs along with (just a guess) 50% of all gw players.

Just looking for a reason to play the game a bit longer. You think because i do pugs i havent done everything in the game?? Some ppl just assume way too much.

As far as looking for a challenge, heres an idea ... try pugging. Pugging successfully is way harder than anything .. soloing included.

One more thought, you should be thankful for inexp players after all ... whos buying all your "elite gear"??? exp players?? doubt it..

byteme! · Dec 10, 2009, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by DiggiDiggi

Yeah Big Whoop, so u made a team build for advanced players. Try coming up with something for pugs then ill be impressed.

So advanced, will planned and executed tactics by advanced players doesn't impress you BUT simple 1,2,3 button mashing with no forethought tactics used by your average pug DOES impress you? I don't effin get it.

Since you're not impressed why don't you show us all how it's done. Better yet why don't you come up with something reproducible by pugs. Since we can't impress you why don't you step up to the plate? So far I'm not impressed with you either. Weird isn't it?

DiggiDiggi · Dec 10, 2009, 02:33 AM // 02:33

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Originally Posted by byteme!

Since you're not impressed why don't you show us all how it's done. Better yet why don't you come up with something reproducible by pugs. Since we can't impress you why don't you step up to the plate? So far I'm not impressed with you either. Weird isn't it?

Best way for you to impress me is taking your MEDS

byteme! · Dec 10, 2009, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by DiggiDiggi

Best way for you to impress me is taking your MEDS

I can't be bothered......wrong guy.

† LãwLiþøþ™ † · Dec 10, 2009, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Occidio

SoS is good if you're starting, then doing A/D and lastly the A/Me's or A/E's

I dont have a Rit or Sin...and no char slots to make one. I only have a ele.

Blades Of Decree · Dec 10, 2009, 03:34 AM // 03:34

NEW RECORD!!!! 27 MINUTE RUN!!!!!

Family Kejima · Dec 10, 2009, 07:33 AM // 07:33

Really nice work guys. Ran with some of ya yesterday ^^
But do it in 1 conset with pugs wont be easy.

Every time I'm not pools or wastes the wastes and pools farm.
And they wont help me with 4h so I have to wait for tele.
That will cause a loose of time.

But ok. 2 consets are better than 3 or 4 consets ^^
If all do their job like they have to pugs will be able to run
round about 29-30 mins I think.

Isuke Kejima aka Chuck Norris Exfrau

PS: if ya need an extra sin whisper me ^^
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