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Day Trooper · Dec 04, 2009, 10:31 PM // 22:31

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

How is this a bad thing for them? That means that people will be more willing to pay high prices for the end chest items now, because they expect supply to dry up in the future.

In case anyone is interested, through all of our clears we haven't seen one mini-Dhuum yet, so the drop-rate on that sucka must be really low.

We've seen a couple mini-smites and a few Dhuum scythes - but Martin is corrrect that (assuming UW clears take forever to do once SF gets nerfed) then the prices of the scythe, minis (and ofc ectos) should increase after the upcoming skills update.

But for me personally, while getting a mini-Dhuum would be awesome, I'm more interested about the run-times so we can say we did the Dhuum-clear in the quickest manner possible

(A couple times I left ectos behind as it would take too long to walk back and get them roflz).

Also, in the event that SF isn't nerfed next week we'll post a more detailed explanation of how to do the run...

Blades Of Decree · Dec 04, 2009, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Like day said, unless we do extremely well all night we don't really make much money. For most of us its more about the run time then the gold and ectos.

I've also left behind a few ectos and a nice amount of golds.

EragonSorceror · Dec 05, 2009, 01:20 AM // 01:20

I'm interested in learning a little more about the ritualist's role. Basically you follow the Ele around and help it kill stuff until Dhuum fight, correct? Is there anything important to know besides this, and what should the rit do while fighting Dhuum? Thank you very much for posting such an amazing build, and for any help you can give me.

schmoky · Dec 05, 2009, 01:36 AM // 01:36

what does the e/mo before dhuum ?

Day Trooper · Dec 05, 2009, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by schmoky

what does the e/mo before dhuum ?

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Originally Posted by Day Trooper

Actually yes, the E/Mo performs a few other critical roles.

1). Complete the Forgotten Vale 'Wrathful Spirits' quest with the SoS Rt/R. If you look at the ele build, you'll see a few fire damage spells along with burning speed.

A year ago I created this build to solo the Wrathful Spirits quest - which I could do in around 2 1/2 minutes. However, that was back when the quest only spawned 15 enemies, whereas now the quest spawns 3 waves of 15 for a total of 45 enemies. I can still solo the quest now - however it would take about 3 times longer. But with the Rit/R and a Summoning Stone (Ghastly Summoning Stone ftw

) the quest completes much faster.

In fact last night we pulled off a /age 10 completion of Wrathful Spirits, which was our fastest time to date

2). Kill the 3 enemies (skeles or silver terrorwebs, could be 3 of either or a mix of the two) which spawn at the back of Pits during the 'Imprisoned Spirits' quest. As with 1) above simply put up all enchantments; and once the first enemy spawns, spam skills and have the Rt/R summon spirits up near you and kill each enemy.

3). And for added laughs, at the start of 'Clear the Chamber', once all enemies are balled up/blocked by the A/Me and other permas, the E/Mo may also jump in and fire off his fire-damage spells and degen the mob with burning speed. There's a good chance he'll die if a dying nightmare is near, but that's not an issue as the Rt/R can quickly use 'Flesh of My Flesh' to rez the fallen E/Mo. The combination of the perma damage/degen spells, ele fire damage/degen spells, and EoE makes that mob drop incredibly quick

12 chars....

Ryann1337 · Dec 05, 2009, 03:22 AM // 03:22

Just got my first PUG for Dayway, lasted 2 hours, went through 1 con set, 4 Bu's and a heck load of DP removal, we popped pits last then get wiped at pits. Im gunna wait a while before going pugway again...

coil · Dec 05, 2009, 05:59 AM // 05:59

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Originally Posted by Day Trooper

In case anyone is interested, through all of our clears we haven't seen one mini-Dhuum yet, so the drop-rate on that sucka must be really low.

~45-48 chests so far and nothing for me. though i have seen 1 dhuum, ~3 smites, & ~6 scythes.

flapjack · Dec 05, 2009, 09:32 AM // 09:32

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1176/gw196x.jpg

28 min and glad to get the one con run worked out before the likely SF nerf. "DayWay" with the "Coil-Cove" pull in pits (patent pending).

Anyway a lot of fun and crap drops as usual.

Day Trooper · Dec 05, 2009, 09:45 AM // 09:45

Congrats to the 28 min Dhuum team!! So awesome to see our ultimate goal of a one conset run realized

And many thanks again to all who helped put together this team build!!

Assuming SF isn't nerfed on next Thursday's skill update, we'll post a more detailed write-up of how this all works and give out the latest builds we're using...

-DT

flapjack · Dec 05, 2009, 10:04 AM // 10:04

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Originally Posted by Ryann1337

Just got my first PUG for Dayway, lasted 2 hours, went through 1 con set, 4 Bu's and a heck load of DP removal, we popped pits last then get wiped at pits. Im gunna wait a while before going pugway again...

I wouldn't say that DayWay is really puggable in its entirety although elements of it could be incorporated into looser more forgiving runs.

Anyway it was fun collaborating with so many good players. Ryu, Coil, Magic and many others all worked on the runs and helped suggest new ideas and ways to refine and improve what we were collectively doing as "DayWay".

(apologies to DayTrooper for appropriating his name without realy asking him. lol)

BBBD · Dec 05, 2009, 02:01 PM // 14:01

Hay if any 1 would like to do... ill be new at it but just PM me... ill be running Ranger/rit ~ Miss Ami

Blades Of Decree · Dec 05, 2009, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by flapjack

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1176/gw196x.jpg

28 min and glad to get the one con run worked out before the likely SF nerf. "DayWay" with the "Coil-Cove" pull in pits (patent pending).

Anyway a lot of fun and crap drops as usual.

Damn I wanted that sub-30 bad. It would happen when im gone for the night.

Congrats though and maybe I can come back and we can get a 26

Apok Omen · Dec 05, 2009, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Someone needs to post vid walkthroughs for this shit...

Day Trooper · Dec 05, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by flapjack

"Coil-Cove" pull in pits...

"Coil Corner" perhaps? xD Pure genius Coil

-DT

mczo · Dec 06, 2009, 01:11 PM // 13:11

I want to test this team in my guild but i need more informations about the splits.

M1 is said to be in vale in order to pop the reaper.Does he kill grasp or he must rush into the driders?

Does the MT (EMO+EoE+D?) stick together during wrathful spirits?

Who go pits? D or one A/Me?

M2 must solo escort, but casting hex on mindblades isn't it dangerous?

thanks for your answers

matthijs123 · Dec 06, 2009, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by mczo

I want to test this team in my guild but i need more informations about the splits.

M1 is said to be in vale in order to pop the reaper.Does he kill grasp or he must rush into the driders?

Does the MT (EMO+EoE+D?) stick together during wrathful spirits?

Who go pits? D or one A/Me? One A/Me goes, the A/Me is ranged thus he can avoid being hit by the Skeletons with blocking them @ walls.

M2 must solo escort, but casting hex on mindblades isn't it dangerous? You'll take SOME damage, but it's like 1 or 2x50 dmg per group I think? Atleast not enough to make this job dangerous.

thanks for your answers

Sorry don't know the other answers.

flapjack · Dec 06, 2009, 04:33 PM // 16:33

The splits have evolved as we searched for faster times. If SF doesn't get nerfed out of existence this coming week then we will probably take the time to make a more detailed description of our run and perhaps some options on how to sacrifice a little time for greater safety. In a flawless run (which we have never had in entirety) it might be possible to complete in about 25min so our 28min time can be improved on.

The a/me that goes into vale initially popped the pop-ups of graspings, gathered the skeletons and killed in 2 pulls. One to kill the skeletons (obviously protected by obstacle) while not degenerating graspings and then the final pull that would kill graspings and dryders (dryders first of course to save spirits).

You will definately take a hit from hexbreaker when you hex mindblades but after a hex (attempt) or two they no longer cast it so hex the first group you aggro then dc to them then proceed to the second group (pulling first group with u) and hex them then dc to heal yourself again and that should be sufficient to pull them all in a group and hex (successfully) and degen/cry. Other people just pop apple and health armor/shield-set and have callculated the damage they take to gather in one pull and survive the initial hexbreaker spanking and then there are others that will just empathy 2 or three (single target hex) and say that after a few times of individual hexing they can ether and its not a problem (i havnt bothered with the last method).

Day Trooper · Dec 06, 2009, 04:39 PM // 16:39

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Originally Posted by mczo

M1 is said to be in vale in order to pop the reaper.Does he kill grasp or he must rush into the driders?

The A/Me who clears Vale should clear everything. Ideally, the terrorwebs should be killed first, and then all the grasps should be killed last.

The reason you want to kill the grasps last is that they will spawn a few friendly spirits near the reaper - having these extra spirits alive there will lessen the chance of failing the Wrathful Spirits quest. (Conversely, if you killing the grasps first, the spirits that spawn by the reaper will be killed by the terrorwebs.)

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Originally Posted by mczo

Does the MT (EMO+EoE+D?) stick together during wrathful spirits?

Only the E/Mo and Rit do Wrathful Spirits.

However, they first need to safely make it into Vale, which can be challenging with Aatxes and the 6 mindblade popups on the way to Vale.

To make it into Vale safely, the Vale A/Me should first go through the tunnel, run past the bridge, and pull enemies to the left side as far as they will pull. The A/D in the tunnel should then grab whatever is left behind - typically this will include the 3 mindblade popups at the base of the stairs in the Vale tunnel and a couple Aatxes. Once aggro'd, these should be pulled into the left corner by the Vale tunnel stairs. Now, the E/Mo and Rit should have a clear path into Vale. Once up the stairs, they should go over the bridge and take a far right path (basically don't aggro any enemies on the Vale A/Me) and wait until the A/Me has popped the reaper. Now the E/Mo and Rit can do Wrathful Spirits.

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Originally Posted by mczo

Who go pits? D or one A/Me?

The A/D goes to pits after helping the Vale team get into Vale. After completing Unwanted Guests, the Chamber A/Me goes to pits and assists the A/D in clearing the area where the friendly spirits appear for the Imprisoned Spirits quest.

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Originally Posted by mczo

M2 must solo escort, but casting hex on mindblades isn't it dangerous?

While I haven't done this part myself, there is definitely a way to do this solo and kill all the mindblades as an A/Me. Perhaps one of the other guys can chime in and explain this...

-DT

flapjack · Dec 06, 2009, 05:14 PM // 17:14

As i mentioned the roles and builds have changed a bit to save time but often that entails more risk.

I would suggest a more forgiving but slightly slower split than what we were using for the fastest runs can still complete in decent time.

I'm not sure what kind of /age random groups are getting but many teams teleport before 4h, pits, wastes and even pools. Which is basically just clearing areas then kind of mobwaying the quests which can be safer (providing the mob doesn't just c-space without thinking).

WarcryOfTruth · Dec 06, 2009, 05:26 PM // 17:26

My only question is this: How is Dhuum's Rest meter filling so quickly? I noticed that on every screenshot the meter is not there. I am not trying to take anything away from the teams working so hard on these builds, but when my party fought Dhuum, the meter took 30+ minutes to fill itself, then another 15 or so minutes to kill him.