Curse

Gill Halendt · Mar 03, 2010, 12:52 AM // 00:52

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Originally Posted by Alex the Great

not all of use can play tons of hours a day. Those of us that can't had to resort to farming.

You didn't have to. You chose to. You chose to because (virtual) wealth is attractive.

I myself don't have much time to play. I chose not to farm and did so far without multiple Obsi armors and Emerald Blades.

Missmelady · Mar 03, 2010, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

BTW, I've never done it personally, but I would think anyone who is able to run a HM dungeon solo regardless of the broken skills involved possesses a significant amount of skill. I think it's kind of elitist to say farmers "can't play the game".

Ya cause using a skill that doesnt allow death is real hard to run past guys and kill them.

One of my friends got to the point of loving to farm that he taught his 6 year old brother how to do one of the uwsc areas (before Dhuum) and when he was at college his brother (the 6 year old) would join uwsc groups and do them for him. Honestly the nerf bat needed to be swung and Anet hit a grandslam with it.

bhavv · Mar 03, 2010, 03:00 AM // 03:00

What fun is there to be had in GW PVE after completing each game other than grinding titles and farming? Making more PVE characters is incredibly dull and unrewarding, I have tried this myself. Focusing on one character and simply grinding and farming is the kind of gameplay that GW promotes because everything in the game is just repetitive and tedious, and farming at least gives you something for your time spent.

For a lot of RPG players, loot and equips are what make the game enjoyable, to do this in GW they need to farm. If other people have any kind of problem with how anyone else personally enjoys playing a video game, they are just being ridiculously stupid.

If you dont like farming, then dont farm. But do STFU and quit complaining about other people choosing to farm because that is how they enjoy playing.

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

You didn't have to. You chose to. You chose to because (virtual) wealth is attractive.

I myself don't have much time to play. I chose not to farm and did so far without multiple Obsi armors and Emerald Blades.

And if people choose to farm, then that is their choice alone to play as they like. If they enjoy doing that, it is not up to you to tell them how they should be playing just because you dont enjoy other peoples playstyle.

jazilla · Mar 03, 2010, 03:09 AM // 03:09

IDK about a lot of this talk. I have been in groups where we have beaten dungeons faster than some 600/smite teams could get through them, and the obvious dungeons where people were supposedly running you through them but required you to use heals and PI, and, "Run to this spot". I salvaged my items off of my 3 600/Smite characters(monk, rit, ele) and moved on. I even salvaged my obby flesh(not obsidian) armor. It's called meta. If you can't find a way to have fun in a group with blood bond/barbed sig/dwayna's sorrow/SV then you shouldn't play this game. IF Dwarven Battle Stance doesn't make you want to play a warrior...then move on to one of thousands of other games for a few months(six or more) until the next update. Check back in and see if the meta then is interesting to you. Until then, shut your yappers because you had a 6 month warning form the developers that this update was on its way. That was far more than enough time to realize that maybe GW wasn't going to be your cup of team anymore.

w00t! · Mar 03, 2010, 04:42 AM // 04:42

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Originally Posted by Unknown Duli

TBH kinda curious as to what you think nice wps and armors are since you dont farm, since about the only way to afford rare items would be to do dungeons/elite areas to make a decent amount of money and that in and of itself is a form of farming even if u balance way it...

Meh, I've been playing 4+ years and have spent probably 20 hours of that solo farming. I have a HoM filled with every elite armor set, all weapons, full pets, and all hero armor upgrades. I'm not even particularly good at the game as I tend to play for fun and create builds on the fly.

So I find your comments a bit curious. Solo farming is clearly fun for some people, but it is in no way required. If I want to play a solo game, I'll go hop on my son's PS3 and have another go at Fallout 3.

snaek · Mar 03, 2010, 04:46 AM // 04:46

this is a question i always enjoy asking farmers:

if farming offered no reward, would you still farm?

how bout instead of killing monsters, we just give you farmers a big button that says [press me for ecto]. and so all you had to do to get rich in this game was click this button for hours on end. its sad, but i'm certain a large percentage of them would actually do this.

bhavv · Mar 03, 2010, 04:53 AM // 04:53

Well, there wouldnt be any fun in just clicking a button.

Likewise, would you play the game if no items, weapons, or gold dropped, and if there was no armor or any kind of inventory system? I doubt many people would.

Killing monsters is all that PVE involves. The storyline is only really enjoyable for the first time. Whether you farm, do quests, or do vanqs, all three are exactly the same. But some people like to collect the drops from certain monsters and play in such a way. There is still enjoyment involved as opposed to just clicking on a button.

The-Bigz · Mar 03, 2010, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Well, there wouldnt be any fun in just clicking a button.

Likewise, would you play the game if no items, weapons, or gold dropped, and if there was no armor or any kind of inventory system? I doubt many people would.

What their trying to say is that greed and need to be better then other people overrides logic most of the time in this sad world we live in.

bhavv · Mar 03, 2010, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by The-Bigz

What their trying to say is that greed and need to be better then other people overrides logic most of the time in this sad world we live in.

A video game is not the real world, and amassing wealth, fortune and equipment has always been an enjoyable aspect of many games.

Or did you never play Monopoly or Diablo?

Who could give a flying pigs ass about logic in a video game? The only thing that matters is for the game to be enjoyable, not anything else.

The-Bigz · Mar 03, 2010, 05:05 AM // 05:05

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Originally Posted by bhavv

A video game is not the real world, and amassing wealth, fortune and equipment has always been an enjoyable aspect of many games.

Or did you never play Monopoly or Diablo?

I did play Monopoly and Diablo, and Diablo II, and Hellgate:London, and the fact is that the reason these builds were so widely used and eventually nerfed is because some people take this 'videogame' too seriously. Which also to that effect I have to say - If a store nearby stops selling yarn and knitting is your favorite pastime, it is going to effect you.

Peoples behavior only gets worse on videgames because they think they cannot be held accountable for their actions.

Edit: Dont even respond to me, my IQ cannot take the hit after recent Guru events. If only we could all /nobrainer our way through everything we invest time into and make everything into fun. Yes, I am an epic flamer. No I do not invest mass amounts of time into Guild Wars. I was simply trying to clear something up with you about what I thought you misinterprted snaeks post as, I was not saying act like a mental retard and go anal on me. Any opinion you have in this thread has been muted to my ears so I will discontinue talking to you.

bhavv · Mar 03, 2010, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Exactly the point that people should stop taking a game so seriously and leave other people alone to play as they enjoy, be it group play, solo play or farming. It doesnt affect you anywhere near as much, and all that such complainers are trying to do is to take the yarn away from the knitters because they are so obsessed and bothered over how other people knit.

snaek · Mar 03, 2010, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by bhavy

Likewise, would you play the game if no items, weapons, or gold dropped, and if there was no armor or any kind of inventory system?

yes, its called pvp. although...hhmmmm...it would be pretty hillarious if other players started dropping random loot upon killing them.

UnChosen · Mar 03, 2010, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by snaek

yes, its called pvp.

Now take away records, fame, rank, gladiator points, ladder, observer mode, etc....those are essentially PvP's version of items.

snaek · Mar 03, 2010, 05:17 AM // 05:17

^yes, i still would pvp. and im certain a large % would say yes--at least compared to farmers. (although this is fairly a bad time to ask, since it is quite in a broken state atm)

The-Bigz · Mar 03, 2010, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by UnChosen

Now take away records, fame, rank, gladiator points, ladder, observer mode, etc....those are essentially PvP's version of items.

I dont really like snaek as a person to say the least, but...

Nothing will take away the feeling that I leaped into a mob in AB 3 vs 7 and we beat their ass all over Cantha. Thats my reward. Domination over another human being using my mind and ability to play. Lets not bullshit, thats all PvP in any game was ever based on.

Nothing will take away the feeling that you farmed 20 stacks of virtual items that will be less then worthless when GW2 comes out?

Bryant Again · Mar 03, 2010, 05:21 AM // 05:21

The only thing wrong with farming is if it doesn't match to what the developers have presented us.

If going in an area solo is the most profitable method to amassing cash - and thus every single item in the world of Guild Wars - then you're not going to see high-end areas too popular, and it will largely be a "just for fun" experience. Whether or not this is best for the game is open for discussion.

Loot drives quite a lot of people. Just look at WoW. Nothing wrong with it.

UnChosen · Mar 03, 2010, 05:25 AM // 05:25

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Originally Posted by snaek

^yes, i still would pvp. and im certain a large % would say yes--at least compared to farmers. (although this is fairly a bad time to ask, since it is quite in a broken state atm)

Good for you. Please post a "remove all rank and PvP records" in the suggestion forum, let's see how much support you get.

bhavv · Mar 03, 2010, 05:36 AM // 05:36

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Originally Posted by snaek

how bout instead of killing monsters, we just give you farmers a big button that says [press me for ecto]. and so all you had to do to get rich in this game was click this button for hours on end. its sad, but i'm certain a large percentage of them would actually do this.

Would you still PVP if there was a 'Click here to win' button?

The first team to click it wins, GG. Fast Click bot LFG for PVP.

What if there was a 'Click here for 20 fame / Glad Points' button? So all you had to do to get your PVP titles was click on the button? I'm certain a large percentage of PVP players would be clicking in on it endlessly untill they starved to death.

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Originally Posted by UnChosen

Good for you. Please post a "remove all rank and PvP records" in the suggestion forum, let's see how much support you get.

Forget that, just add the button to get them quicker. Ok ok, for balance reasons, you can only use the +20 fame button while you are actually inside a PVP match ...... Imagine if this happened, how many PVP players would stand in PVP simply clicking the button instead of playing?

Oh, lets not forget about ladder fixing, rolling, paper rock scissors, IWAY, etc etc etc, all the methods used to farm points in PVP.

The-Bigz · Mar 03, 2010, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Would you still PVP if there was a 'Click here to win' button?

The first team to click it wins, GG. Fast Click bot LFG for PVP.

What if there was a 'Click here for 20 fame / Glad Points' button? So all you had to do to get your PVP titles was click on the button? I'm certain a large percentage of PVP players would be clicking in on it endlessly untill they starved to death.

The fact is that PvP uses just a tad bit of skill, even if it is the mindless shitter 1234567 build you see on wiki. PvE is fighting programmed enemies that do the same shit over and over again.

Your comparison is invalid and its quite obvious to anyone with an open mind that you are just raging to rage now.

bhavv · Mar 03, 2010, 05:46 AM // 05:46

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Originally Posted by The-Bigz

Your comparison is invalid and its quite obvious to anyone with an open mind that you are just raging to rage now.

No not really, it was asking the same thing about putting in a button for ecto, just instead by placing a button for free PVP title points instead. Many assumptions are being made here that farmers are lazy, unskilled, and do whatever it takes to get things faster, but really, it isnt any different for PVP either.

I also see no difference between farming in PVE and farming in PVP using stuff like IWAY. And lets not forget all the people who leech in other PVP formats just to farm points

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The difference is that in PVE, farming doesnt affect anyone else. In PVP it affects quite a lot of people, so there isnt actually anything wrong with it in PVE since its just you vs monsters, but in PVP it obviously becomes a problem due to affecting your whole team.