Curse

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 02, 2010, 10:04 PM // 22:04

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Originally Posted by MagmaRed

And all 3 of those you mentioned are 'gimmicks'. I vanquish without Sabway, Discord, 600/Smite, or spirits. No Assassin's Promise, in fact, none of my characters, heroes, or hench use a single Assassin skill. So your point makes no sense. Balanced teams are more fun to me, but I also know my method is not fun for everyone.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO.

A "balanced" team, as you call it, is simply gimping my abilities on purpose. That doesn't make it more fun, it makes it less fun.

Kopa The Demon King · Mar 02, 2010, 10:06 PM // 22:06

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

The reason you farmed is because:

1) You're bad at the game in that cannot make money without farming in such a crummy manner. I mean, I don't farm, yet I've always had money to buy a shed load a nice armour and weapons, so that sort of farming isn't necessary.

2) You're bad at the game and believe that having lots of money you don't need will make you good. It doesn't.

it has nothing to do with being bad at the game, and if you take time into seeing what you need to memorize in order to do a UWSC then youd understand Being bad at the game is not the matter.

let me put it in the context of real life,

If you had a choice between back-breaking work to bring in 6 digits and easy work to bring in 6 digits what the hell would you choose? I'd like to work less for it.

In game would you rather grind for maybe 4-5 ectos in the UW running it for 3 hours, or get 30-40 ectos a day doing 40 minute speedclears.

its not because theyre bad at the game, its because theyd rather take an easier path thats wide open for them.

Urass · Mar 02, 2010, 10:14 PM // 22:14

I love posts from "leet" people... you know, "I don't use (insert gimmick here) because I am SO GOOD and you SO SUK".

They're just tools in the game, use what works for you and move on. Why get so angry?

And if the "proper" way is team play, then dump H/H.

Shayne Hawke · Mar 02, 2010, 10:20 PM // 22:20

So, is this thread about how "my fun > your fun", or something?

AngelWJedi · Mar 02, 2010, 10:29 PM // 22:29

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

The reason you farmed is because:

1) You're bad at the game in that cannot make money without farming in such a crummy manner. I mean, I don't farm, yet I've always had money to buy a shed load a nice armour and weapons, so that sort of farming isn't necessary.

2) You're bad at the game and believe that having lots of money you don't need will make you good. It doesn't.

Hahahahaa no. i didnt farm because i was bad or crummy at the game. and i have to wonder how you got your money. because just playing the game over and over is farming too if you get loot to sell for money. and i dont believe having money makes me any better then a player that started playin in 05. it just makes it easer for me to do or get somethings i might need later on in the game.

Shut A You Face · Mar 02, 2010, 10:36 PM // 22:36

MagmaRed, your 100% wrong about one thing. Spirits are not a gimmick. Ritualists are doing exactly as they were intended.
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And this!

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Originally Posted by Urass

I love posts from "leet" people... you know, "I don't use (insert gimmick here) because I am SO GOOD and you SO SUK".

They're just tools in the game, use what works for you and move on. Why get so angry?

And if the "proper" way is team play, then dump H/H.

Thank you Urass

prey monkie · Mar 02, 2010, 10:41 PM // 22:41

ok dude that started this awesome thread. im in the mood for flaming / trolling anyway. u obviously have never done anything teambased except the post dhuum update uwsc. cuz u heard it was fun. farming for u = raptor and elite tome farm? go do a dungeonsc/DoA thats farming but its fun and only boring if u do 5 of the same runs everyday. go do a run like that. manage a team of 7 other players. than make a new thread. and tell me what u think. /close for me btw

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 02, 2010, 10:44 PM // 22:44

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

So, is this thread about how "my fun > your fun", or something?

This is what Guru is mostly about.

Xsiriss · Mar 02, 2010, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

The reason you farmed is because:

1) You're bad at the game in that cannot make money without farming in such a crummy manner. I mean, I don't farm, yet I've always had money to buy a shed load a nice armour and weapons, so that sort of farming isn't necessary.

2) You're bad at the game and believe that having lots of money you don't need will make you good. It doesn't.

I rarely farmed,I power traded lin a more old school manner. I rarely play the game because there's no reward,farming was/is the rewarding bit in GW. Leave your cynical assumptions somewhere else.

galbat0rixx · Mar 02, 2010, 10:54 PM // 22:54

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

The reason you farmed is because:

1) You're bad at the game in that cannot make money without farming in such a crummy manner. I mean, I don't farm, yet I've always had money to buy a shed load a nice armour and weapons, so that sort of farming isn't necessary.

2) You're bad at the game and believe that having lots of money you don't need will make you good. It doesn't.

I am slightly skeptical about these two comments, in fact they are poor assumptions and just about downright wrong. Farming doesn't mean you're a bad player, it's just the most time efficient way of making money in terms of PvE rewards, and therefore "wastes" less time than making money from dungeon rewards or another alternative.

Also, as someone else has previously suggested, I doubt you have been able to buy a "shed load of nice armour and weapons" without farming, unless you powertraded, which definitely requires no gameplaying skill (please note i have nothing against power-trading, it is my own natural game strategy

), only natural flair for trading and striking deals, or you have spent a lot of time on the game and played lengthly and regularly, in which case this only reinforces the point that farming is done because of efficieny in cash making.

I also have to disagree that having lots of money/valuable items doesn't make you "good", because of course in a sense it makes you good, it just does not however neccesarily reflect your ability to complete quests or win PvP battles.

To answer this threads question, what I can say about why farming was so popular is because, in guild wars, the level cap is low, so items and material (or pixel) wealth was the main way of showing your experience and percieved to be proof of your ability to play the game well, which is not untrue.

And yes I agree with Xsiriss that just playing the game in general should be more rewarding, as you amass about 40k for completing a whole campaign whereas farming yielded, and still can yield, more in an hour. This is just my personal opinion, but I think that PvP rewards should be greater, although I see it wouldn't really be worth it with a game which is rapidly deteriorating, so maybe GW2 will grant my wish.

My work here is done

Zarion Silverarrow · Mar 02, 2010, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by Zodiac Meteor

Money = Fun?

I can't figure that one out. Farming is extremely dull to me.

Dammit man thank you.was looking for a post like that

"...farming is extremely dull to ME"

It is dull/boring for YOU,but for people like me it is fun.
TBH it was the whole reason i came back to GW 1 month ago...may leave again...not Q_Qing but seriously,doing any campaign again is FAR from question to me.it is extremely boring to ME.

UW with balanced parties is fun,yes,but some people like me like doing it with their friends,and my guild is to laid back and small for it.So thats why I like solo/duo.Because my friends can tag along and the run still works....

So yes,we have different opinions,but if you find farming boring...dont do it?

PS:I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH MAKING SOLO FARMING DIFFICULT,BUT DISAGREE WITH MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE.

Amy Awien · Mar 02, 2010, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by sonofthort

it's just a game... wtf is the point of doing anything? It's all for fun, if you aren't having fun why are you playing gw?

QJFT

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Therefore,give us rewarding gameplay,don't drive us to farm and scrounge new farming builds from whatever 'balances' they release.

This makes no sense to me, you'd rather not play the currently existing rewarding gameplay in favor of boring and repetitive farming?

Everything you need to equip your characters and heroes to enjoy the rewarding gameplay can be obtained by just playing the game, without farming.

But you'd rather be run through the primary missions, right into the end-area's - and skipping al the content - so you can buy max-stuff and start farming.

And the you complain there is no rewarding gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Unknown Duli

TBH kinda curious as to what you think nice wps and armors are since you dont farm, since about the only way to afford rare items would be to do dungeons/elite areas to make a decent amount of money and that in and of itself is a form of farming even if u balance way it...

Maxed armour is about 5k per piece, plus some materials. Maxed weapons come for about 5k per piece, some with inscriptions, and upgrades can be salvaged from loot. With a very few exceptions, runes can be bought cheaply at the trader.

Except for their skins and their rarity there is nothing about rare weapons that makes them better then those from collecters and crafters.

If you want to farm, that's fine. But don't claim you need it to buy the gear to play the game.

Voodoo Rage · Mar 02, 2010, 11:18 PM // 23:18

I used to farm a few greens with shadow form mostly for fun. I now realize that just about everything I do in GW is pretty much just mindless repetition at this point. If a lot of people got their money's worth out of the game by playing with broken skills, I really don't see how this effects me enough for me to take joy in their loss.

Thenameless Wonder · Mar 02, 2010, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by Xsiriss

Because just playing the game isn't rewarding and makes little money. A-net need to focus on actualy gameplay beyond what it was now that they (finally) destroyed a large part of what has driven peopel on (farming the E's for leet gear etc.).

Therefore,give us rewarding gameplay,don't drive us to farm and scrounge new farming builds from whatever 'balances' they release.

I could not agree more. Too much emphasis has been placed on speed clears and farming because, like it or not, its more profitable to do these things. People do speed clears and the like because A-Net has told them that more reward will be given if you do these things.

Take a look back at UWSC before Dhuum. 7-20 minutes and you get an ecto, uw scroll, couple rare mats, and couple golds. Worth it? heck ya!

A-Net should reward people for playing the game the way it should be played; ie in balanced groups or whatnot. I do give them credit on the zaishen quests, this has helped the problem to an extent.

But seriously, after this feb 25 all around nerf guild wars seems really dead to me. I used to think runescape was all about grinding but now in guildwars it is really quiet. Too much focus on speed clears and not having an enjoyable community experience.

Deakon · Mar 02, 2010, 11:39 PM // 23:39

Why I farm. It makes me happy.

Chasing Squirrels · Mar 02, 2010, 11:53 PM // 23:53

They put titles/grind in to keep you all busy for gw2 since they won't be releasing anymore expansions

Gill Halendt · Mar 03, 2010, 12:00 AM // 00:00

People not playing becase "there's no reward" make me laugh. I tought the fun while playing was the reward of a game. When the fun is over, it's time to find another hobby.

Mind you this is not "my fun > your fun". It's fine with me if people have fun running through dungeons. I don't personally like it, but whatever...

What I really can't understand is this emphasys on "rewards".

So the lack of monetary "rewards" (worthless pixels) is enough for this hobby not to be pleasure anymore. Basically, people farm because by playing normally, say, a dungeon like SoO, the end chest doesn't hand out BDSes like apple pies. If it did, BDSes would be worth squat now... Would you really bother anyway?

Ever tought about gambling? That looks like it could be your game.

I think people farm becase they like distinctive/precious items, which are, usually, RARE and hard to find. And well-regarded among players because of this. So farming allows them to increase the chances of getting such items dramatically. That's all.

Reasonable, I'm not gonna argue about this. But please, don't make it a matter of principle. Your "farming builds" are far from destroyed, you just have to work a little harder to get loot. Enjoy farming if farming was actually fun for you, as you still can farm pretty much whatever you like.

Shuuda · Mar 03, 2010, 12:03 AM // 00:03

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it has nothing to do with being bad at the game, and if you take time into seeing what you need to memorize in order to do a UWSC then youd understand Being bad at the game is not the matter.

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If you had a choice between back-breaking work to bring in 6 digits and easy work to bring in 6 digits what the hell would you choose? I'd like to work less for it.

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its not because theyre bad at the game, its because theyd rather take an easier path thats wide open for them.

Well, choosing the easier path does imply a lack of skill.

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because just playing the game over and over is farming too if you get loot to sell for money.

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farming was/is the rewarding bit in GW.

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I also have to disagree that having lots of money/valuable items doesn't make you "good", because of course in a sense it makes you good, it just does not however neccesarily reflect your ability to complete quests or win PvP battles.

... Well you would say that, wouldn't you.

Voodoo Rage · Mar 03, 2010, 12:23 AM // 00:23

BTW, I've never done it personally, but I would think anyone who is able to run a HM dungeon solo regardless of the broken skills involved possesses a significant amount of skill. I think it's kind of elitist to say farmers "can't play the game".

Alex the Great · Mar 03, 2010, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Shuuda

The reason you farmed is because:

1) You're bad at the game in that cannot make money without farming in such a crummy manner. I mean, I don't farm, yet I've always had money to buy a shed load a nice armour and weapons, so that sort of farming isn't necessary.

2) You're bad at the game and believe that having lots of money you don't need will make you good. It doesn't.

not all of use can play tons of hours a day. Those of us that can't had to resort to farming.

I'm not guilty of abusing SF, but i used ursan back in the day, and definatly 600/smited. i had to to keep up!