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gremlin · Apr 05, 2010, 05:33 AM // 05:33

There is no way they could justify setting a limit on how much could be farmed in a given area.

They have to treat all players equally so the guy that gets to the raptors many months after intensive farming began has the same chance as anyone else.

Any over farming rule would have to apply to individual accounts and I am not sure they would bother to set that up.

Also when it comes to working out the drop rate for anything few consider the numbers involved.

You would probably have to farm intensively on a daily basis over many months to work out an aprox %.

Levi Garett · Apr 05, 2010, 07:58 AM // 07:58

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Originally Posted by BuD

There sure was an Anti Farm code back in the day. I used to trigger this message quite frequently farming Elona Reach, Trolls, Avicara etc.

You used to have to do something else for a bit to "reset" it. I used to run through The Great Northern Wall to reset this code.

Yep this did not exist until well after release so your "back in the day" doesn't quite go all the way back. IE this code was injected into the game sometime after release and before loot scaling was put into place.

For example I used to farm mountain trolls outside Droks all day long and never get this message. Again this was pretty much right after release. It was very obvious when it was put in because I would get it quite often doing my normal farms.

Once loot scaling was put in this notification message went away. Perhaps the anti-farm code went away at that point as well? Who knows, but I still do believe some kind of code exists to that effect.

For example if I haven't farmed in a few days my first few runs of Dragon Moss' on the New Escort farm will certainly yield a a rare item or two. After 5+ runs I'll be lucky to get one white and a gold coin drop. I've also seen a rare drop 20 runs in so it's still random, but nothing seems to match those first few runs. I've also noticed the same when farming the Halycon Job.

Again this is all just my opinion so take it with a grain of salt. You can't teach this old dog new tricks so I wouldn't even waste your time trying to convince me otherwise...

Ariena Najea · Apr 05, 2010, 09:06 AM // 09:06

When I used to do Vaettir, my initial runs in a sitting yielded significantly more drops than later runs, and the quality of the drops similarly decreased. I noticed this affected both normal drops and event items, and this occurred every single time I went out. I took notes on how many golds and party items I got per run, but that post-it is long lost.

Regardless of my own experiences, there has never been official confirmation on this from ANet, and no one has definitely proved anything. There are accounts like mine, accounts that say drops stay the same, etc. We'll never really know for certain.

Riot Narita · Apr 05, 2010, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by End

loot scaling existed before Eotn came out...soooo I doubt you were raptor farming before loot scaling was introduced...

My point was:
Loot scaling was already in place when Raptor farming started.
Therefore there were no such "insane drop rates" for Raptor farming, as you put it.

Because "insane drop rates" for farmers only existed before loot scaling.

Maybe if you were less anal, and less fixated on dates, you might have understood that simple point I was making.

Bloody Dominator · Apr 05, 2010, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by Voodoo Rage

In general, be wary of what's called "confirmation bias". This is when you already have a preconceived notion (like leechers increase drops with raptor farming or perhaps what I posted in the previous paragraph). It is a human tendency to remember the times that a farm run fit into your belief and forgot the times that it didn't. Every time I confront superstitious raptor farmers they never actually have any data or ever tracked their runs, they just "remember" that they got better drops while taking leechers. I suspect that a lot of the anti-farm beliefs are merely a form of confirmation bias.

This, it explains alot.
I won't believe it, untill i see some numbers taken over enough runs.

End · Apr 05, 2010, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

My point was:
Loot scaling was already in place when Raptor farming started.
Therefore there were no such "insane drop rates" for Raptor farming, as you put it.

Because "insane drop rates" for farmers only existed before loot scaling.

Maybe if you were less anal, and less fixated on dates, you might have understood that simple point I was making.

Then you obviously didn't raptor farm before it was popular... obviously 6-7 black dyes an hour along with countless golds you don't consider "insane" but....for something so simple I do...

maybe if you knew what you were talking about I wouldn't have to be anal

On a side note: I am done arguing with idiots for the night....I am off to bed...

chessyang · Apr 05, 2010, 12:17 PM // 12:17

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Originally Posted by Uh Um

Is this a myth?

in three letters. Y E S.

research it, wiki it, google it, etc.... until Anet or someone from the dev team confirms it it's either "half full or half empty." For me i just do 10+/- (or 30mins ) runs of each spot i like.

Riot Narita · Apr 05, 2010, 01:17 PM // 13:17

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Originally Posted by End

Then you obviously didn't raptor farm before it was popular... obviously 6-7 black dyes an hour along with countless golds you don't consider "insane" but....for something so simple I do...

So what's your point?

Are you saying that if I find a place right now, where nobody else is farming, I'm going to get 6-7 black dyes per hour, and "countless golds"?

And then if everybody else starts to farm that same place, there is some "overfarming" code that will automatically kick in, and my drops will suddenly look the same as Raptors do now?

Or what?

Sethellington · Apr 05, 2010, 01:22 PM // 13:22

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Originally Posted by BuD

There sure was an Anti Farm code back in the day. I used to trigger this message quite frequently farming Elona Reach, Trolls, Avicara etc.

You used to have to do something else for a bit to "reset" it. I used to run through The Great Northern Wall to reset this code.

That's what I was gonna cite! Haven't seen that message in yeeeaars... I farm Raptors a lot, often for 30 or 40 runs at once, sometimes you get 1 Saurian Bone and a white weapon, next you 2 Golds, Leet sin tomes, 3 Saurian Bones and 2 Sin Tomes. Seems really random to me.

Spiritz · Apr 06, 2010, 01:01 AM // 01:01

I really hate the theory that drops are dependant on how many on that area are farming - eg on that server and on that place.
Ive gone to russian dist before and theres been no1 there - even sat for a while an watched ( yup im sad lol ) and ive decided to go in and guess what - either there was a few thousand hidden farmers or i was havin extreme bad luck as i had only a few drops compared to bein in a normal busy server like usa.

The drop part id say there is something that causes a decrease over time.
Weekend i farmed eggs an bunnies at vaetires like most players were , several times i had the worse drops going - 1 or 2 whites and same in event stuff and at that point i went bk to gh and dealt with inv - upon return to vaetires my drop count increased.
1/2 of ppl will agree with what i said as its been seen in practice - now incase anyone wonders there is always a thing where situations dont always apply , look at login bugs where a percentage of players get affected instead of everyone - we are all using same client and game software so theorywise it should hit us all.
This can also apply to drops - what we dont know is a huge amount of variables that can change things that are out of our control.
Eg. has the chr farmed there before , have they been there for days using merch stones and never really left ( rezone not counting ) , has the chr "rested" from that zone for a few days.
Uw and ectos used to gave this problem and there was loads of "uw is nerfed" posts because players who farmed there went from a few ectos every run to quite a few dry runs with none.
Anet as always keeps things in a shroud of secrecy and instead of saying to us players what is what exactly and giving us a clearer picture of game mechanics and less posts debating subjects that cannot be proved or disproved ( and many arguements ) they leave us in the dark.
Maybe if they did say it would get players shifting farms around and maybe trying new areas.
Ps i think the statements about drop decreasing really came about a few yrs ago with the problem of farming bots - now they really overfarmed areas and some of us may remember places like rhilon refuge , gates of kryta and bergen teeming with bots doing same routes and routines.

Turbo Ginsu · Apr 06, 2010, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Easy way to keep farming the same area if you are indeed worried about your drops petering off. Have more than one toon that can do it.

For instance, if I want to farm raptors, I can choose to do it with w/n, n/w, r/e, e/me, a/e etc etc. If you're good enough at GW to be farming, then you should also have more than one toon that you can do things with.

An experienced player who didn't just start playing, skip everything, and go straight to the "phat lewtz" will almost always have more than just one option. Kinda like having every class at DOA, just to have them there.