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Riot Narita · Apr 03, 2010, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Just a tip: sometimes the Raptors spawn in such a way, that you can aggro the whole cave, and run back to the cave entrance... without spending any extra time. The Raptor patrol outside the cave will arrive at about the same time... meaning extra kills for free.

Screenshot below shows 39 kills instead of the usual 33 for an E/Me. That's just from the normal 1 cast of Sliver armor, plus a single recast after the boss dies. (I have max or very high ranks for my PvE skills though - ymmv).

You should aggro the cave, get back to the entrance, and begin the Mist Form / Sliver killing sequence within about 45-50 seconds of starting the run... otherwise the patrol will have already passed by the entrance. If you can't do that... you're probably not reaching the cave fast enough: make sure you assign shortcut keys to cast hero skills, target yourself, and bring up the hero's flag.

It's down to the luck of the spawn, but it's do-able fairly frequently - so it's worth looking out for.

impulsion · Apr 03, 2010, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Oh snap! I feel like an idiot now xD
I do with W/N, still /age = 0min and get 40 raptors

Riot Narita · Apr 03, 2010, 02:58 PM // 14:58

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Originally Posted by impulsion

Oh snap! I feel like an idiot now xD
I do with W/N, still /age = 0min and get 40 raptors

Yeah, should work for W/N too. Although, what's your /age by the time you've picked up all your drops at the end? If you're not well over a minute after that... your drops suck! :-D

impulsion · Apr 03, 2010, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Not well over a minute, more like 1min 5secs or so ^^

I actually video recorded one of them: resigned at 1min 2sec, 41 raptors

Riot Narita · Apr 03, 2010, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by impulsion

Not well over a minute, more like 1min 5secs or so ^^

I actually video recorded one of them: resigned at 1min 2sec, 41 raptors

Your drops must suck!!! ;-D ;-D

DRGN · Apr 03, 2010, 05:07 PM // 17:07

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

Your drops must suck!!! ;-D ;-D

Uh, not really. You can kill all the raptors themselves in about 50-55 seconds, and then that gives you fifteen-twenty seconds to pick up the drops, which don't take THAT much time. Also, that screenshot could be 1 min 59.99999999 seconds for all we know(and there's still raptors alive).

I'm not saying that build isn't good, but it's not really fair to rip on the Warrior like that, either...

impulsion · Apr 03, 2010, 05:17 PM // 17:17

Just recorded a run that did have small number of drops: 56sec resign, 38 raptors, 5 drops.

Riot Narita · Apr 03, 2010, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by DRGN

Uh, not really. You can kill all the raptors themselves in about 50-55 seconds, and then that gives you fifteen-twenty seconds to pick up the drops, which don't take THAT much time. Also, that screenshot could be 1 min 59.99999999 seconds for all we know(and there's still raptors alive).

I'm not saying that build isn't good, but it's not really fair to rip on the Warrior like that, either...

Dude, you clearly don't know what this means --> ;-D
It's called a smiley. It is used to denote humour.

Also, if you'd ever farmed Raptors E/Me yourself, you'd know that you ALWAYS leave the last Raptor alive.

By the way, if you search the forums, you'll find a video of me showing how fast I do my E/Me runs with my old build. I've improved my ranks, runes and sequence since then, but the speed is the same or faster: 1min 25secs is about my average - but that's TOTAL time to zone in, do the run, return to town and zone out again. Not just the time to do the run.

And another "by the way": I've leeched W/N's a lot for my other characters... and I timed their runs. They normally took at least 1min 10secs from the start of one run to zoning out for the next. I saw one or two do it in about 1min 5secs, but that was extremely rare. And that's when there were no event items to pick up at the end of the run. In other words... when there was a lot of event items dropping, W/N ended up hardly any faster than E/Me (E/Me picks up as they drop, no wait at the end). That's why I use E/Me for events - comparable speed, but I find it much easier to run.

Maybe my W/N runners were crap. But I went with a lot of runners, so if that's the case then it means the vast majority of W/N's are crap at what they do. I'd be interested to see videos by a real pro.

impulsion · Apr 03, 2010, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

Maybe my runners were crap. But I went with a lot of runners, so if that's the case then it means the vast majority of W/N's are crap.

Well most W/N raptor farmers I have leeched from die 3/4 of the runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPZuZVGGxY

Riot Narita · Apr 03, 2010, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by impulsion

Well most W/N raptor farmers I have leeched from die 3/4 of the runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPZuZVGGxY

Nice one. Was that an average run, or was it "a good one"?

Like I said, my runs are usually about 1:25 total...
...about 10secs of that is load, return to town and rezone...
...so 1:15 for the run itself.

Which puts your W/N about 7 secs faster at 1:08.
I think I can live with that!

impulsion · Apr 03, 2010, 09:30 PM // 21:30

How do you do so fast? I use the same build as you on ele (although glyph of sacrifice over magnetic aura) and get times of roughly 1min 15-20secs not including loading times (I have 10secs on BUH, +24% intensity and +15 from ward).

DRGN · Apr 03, 2010, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by Riot Narita

Dude, you clearly don't know what this means --> ;-D
It's called a smiley. It is used to denote humour.

Also, if you'd ever farmed Raptors E/Me yourself, you'd know that you ALWAYS leave the last Raptor alive.

By the way, if you search the forums, you'll find a video of me showing how fast I do my E/Me runs with my old build. I've improved my ranks, runes and sequence since then, but the speed is the same or faster: 1min 25secs is about my average - but that's TOTAL time to zone in, do the run, return to town and zone out again. Not just the time to do the run.

And another "by the way": I've leeched W/N's a lot for my other characters... and I timed their runs. They normally took at least 1min 10secs from the start of one run to zoning out for the next. I saw one or two do it in about 1min 5secs, but that was extremely rare. And that's when there were no event items to pick up at the end of the run. In other words... when there was a lot of event items dropping, W/N ended up hardly any faster than E/Me (E/Me picks up as they drop, no wait at the end). That's why I use E/Me for events - comparable speed, but I find it much easier to run.

Maybe my W/N runners were crap. But I went with a lot of runners, so if that's the case then it means the vast majority of W/N's are crap at what they do. I'd be interested to see videos by a real pro.

Anything with a wink in it on the internet, and particularly this forum, has become synonymous with snarkiness to me, so that was just a misinterpretation.

Also, I HAVE farmed E/Me myself, before I actually cared to get BuH on my Warrior. I found W/N to be faster in my experience.

Sethellington · Apr 03, 2010, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by impulsion

Well most W/N raptor farmers I have leeched from die 3/4 of the runs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHPZuZVGGxY

Really? That's awful! I do it on my Nec, which is even less safe in 40-45 sec runs (not including picking up, but usually done and zoned <1 min). I die maybe 1 in 30 runs if the boss doesn't align and survives and kills me before I finish picking up all drops...

Riot Narita · Apr 03, 2010, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by impulsion

How do you do so fast? I use the same build as you on ele (although glyph of sacrifice over magnetic aura) and get times of roughly 1min 15-20secs not including loading times (I have 10secs on BUH, +24% intensity and +15 from ward).

Well, you're doing it very close to the same speed as me at 1:15. Sometimes I take a few seconds longer than 1:15, but sometimes I'm a few seconds quicker (my old video shows me /resign at 1:10 - better than average, the cave spawned nicely)

Do you have shortcut keys assigned, for your hero commands, target yourself, and bring up your hero flag? I actually use an Ideazon Fang keypad, which lets me have all necessary keys very close together, and makes it extremely quick to do the hero stuff at the start.

Apart from that, what runes are you using? I have:
Earth 12+1+3
Water 10+2
Energy 3+1
Inspiration 7

The major Water rune is key... the extra 1sec duration on Mist Form simplifies the re-casts after the boss dies (compared to the messy routine in my old video), and minimises the downtime of Intensity. Less downtime = less time taken to kill everything.

Timing of BUH! is important too... I use the shout the moment Sliver becomes effective - not too soon, not too late... so I get the maximum benefit out of it. Again, less downtime = less time taken to kill everything. I also recast it early or late depending on whether the previous copy is still up, whether my health is below 50% but about to go over, etc.

I don't use "Can't touch this!" on the hero, because I actually WANT Rekoff to hit me with Twisting Jaws... I'll usually take a few hits while aggroing, then Twisting Jaws takes me below 50% health... and then I get double duration on BUH! and no downtime.

Other than that, I dunno... maybe I take a different route round the cave.

I actually made a new video to show one of my runs including the patrol... and it shows 38 kills in 1 minute 16secs, from start of run to /resign. I find that time fairly easy to achieve in a regular run (no patrol). Tricky to do the patrol as well though - and I only do them if the cave spawns nicely, probably once every 3-5 runs.

Unfortunately I am unlikely to post the video, since I am not willing to post my IGN anywhere. I figured I could hide my IGN from chat and party window easily enough in the video... but there's my name again when I target myself for the hero... and everything I pick up shows who it was assigned to. It's a bit much for my limited video editing software to hide all that. (By the way, the character name that's visible in my old video no longer exists - I paid for a rename, as a precaution).

impulsion · Apr 03, 2010, 10:27 PM // 22:27

Well if you look the mob is dead at 52secs, and this is with the extra mob. If I don't do this extra mob I always zone by /age = 0

Gondrakif · Apr 04, 2010, 12:21 AM // 00:21

The patrol you are talking about has Wild strike which can remove Mantra of Resolve with unpleasant consequences, i would think twice before aggroing them...

impulsion · Apr 04, 2010, 12:37 AM // 00:37

Hmmm they don't seem to use it. Are you sure wary stance doesn't stop it from hitting in the first place?

Riot Narita · Apr 04, 2010, 12:47 AM // 00:47

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Originally Posted by Gondrakif

The patrol you are talking about has Wild strike which can remove Mantra of Resolve with unpleasant consequences, i would think twice before aggroing them...

Strange but like impulsion said, they don't seem to use it. Either that, or I've already done my cast sequence by the time they reach me, and they've been killed before they can get off their lead attacks, and then use wild strike.

Definitely something to watch out for though. I usually notice if my Mantra goes down, and it hasn't been happening so far. It is recharged by the time I stop and let the raptors wail on me, so even if it's removed, I have a chance to put it back up, and a third chance after Rekoff dies.

By the way, Rekoff has Wild Strike too... but almost never seems to use it.

gmonster2 · Apr 04, 2010, 05:58 AM // 05:58

Riot thanks for the tips and build and good times too.

I also leeched some W/N's the fastest time was 1:06 usually around 1:10 to 1:15 secs a run thats zone to zone. but they failed a lot as well..

No wonder the raptors take such a hammering!!

Icy The Mage · Apr 04, 2010, 08:01 AM // 08:01

The reason they usually don't use wild strike is because (being an offhand attack) they can't hit with disrupting stab, their lead attack through all the block (magnetic aura, wary stance).

Nice route btw, Impulsion, unique.