Curse

The Feeding · Apr 07, 2010, 02:34 AM // 02:34

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Originally Posted by Bloody Dominator

1. Cuz they can and it's fun
2. It might be a challange, using underpowered classes
3. Cuz not everyone has a sin/ele or likes to play one, so heres another option
4. Technically this build makes money to, just not as much as those silly SC's. And technically if u'd repeat this run over and over (yes it might take longer) but it would still quallify as farming
5. Last time i saw they just posted screens with everything blacked out, they posted builds after everyone told them to gtfo if they didnt wanna share and just boast.
6. If it was for fun, then why are u bitching that it's bad and there are better builds? obv the person making this, knew that

No, you wouldnt make money doing THIS over and over, by the 15th run you'd be out 300k+ from personal cons and consets, no offence, but to adding what peircing said, the rit has little energy, So OoP is almost useless, and it seems prone to wipe.

Edit: to have alittle constructive criticism< try running a N/Rt spirit spammer, replace a few things and add some soul reaping and you could constantly maintain OoP.

shalara1123 · Apr 07, 2010, 04:51 AM // 04:51

After that I don't know how much the Rep can be saved but I can vouch for this build. I have run it many times and the main things that slow this down is the terras dying or the main team dying. Once everyone knows their jobs this is easy under 1 hour.

Hooded Doom · Apr 07, 2010, 06:10 AM // 06:10

Number 1:

Yes you will make money running this build. Once it is down to two consets (When people havelearned how to use it) you are spending 8k max on personal + normal cons. Less for the mainteam bars

When Dayway, and DLway were made, they spent millions of gold making it work and learning how to do it. Once we have it <1hr consistently you WILL make money.

Number 2:

KBar, if your here to troll, gtfo pls. I have no patience for your kind, and ill ask that your posts be deleted if you persist being arrogant, rude and above all a troll.

Number 3:

Oop IS Gone now. We Replaced it with a secondary Paragon and took misc defferent shouts depending on what we find useful. Also trying Rt/Mes with clumsiness or MoD.

Number 4 and Finally:

For anyone who thinks this is not a speedclear. I believe a 1hr underworld is a speedclear. If you think this is ballanced, then 99% of all terraway runs are NOT speedclears. [GS]'s twwtway and modified terraways are NOT speedclears.

Glory told me himself his fastest uw time was 1hr, so im guessing, according to you KBar, hes NEVER done a speedclear?

Trolll more pls

Contrstuctive Edit:::: Added New builds, changed wording of certain tactics.

The Feeding · Apr 07, 2010, 12:48 PM // 12:48

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Originally Posted by Hooded Doom

Number 1:

Yes you will make money running this build. Once it is down to two consets (When people havelearned how to use it) you are spending 8k max on personal + normal cons. Less for the mainteam bars

When Dayway, and DLway were made, they spent millions of gold making it work and learning how to do it. Once we have it <1hr consistently you WILL make money.

Number 2:

KBar, if your here to troll, gtfo pls. I have no patience for your kind, and ill ask that your posts be deleted if you persist being arrogant, rude and above all a troll.

Number 3:

Oop IS Gone now. We Replaced it with a secondary Paragon and took misc defferent shouts depending on what we find useful. Also trying Rt/Mes with clumsiness or MoD.

Number 4 and Finally:

For anyone who thinks this is not a speedclear. I believe a 1hr underworld is a speedclear. If you think this is ballanced, then 99% of all terraway runs are NOT speedclears. [GS]'s twwtway and modified terraways are NOT speedclears.

Glory told me himself his fastest uw time was 1hr, so im guessing, according to you KBar, hes NEVER done a speedclear?

Trolll more pls

Contrstuctive Edit:::: Added New builds, changed wording of certain tactics.

1. Dayway and DL way made money, my fasted dayway was around 37 minutes. it didnt cost me any money to do dayway because i didnt help in making it, i knew i was going to make my money back because of the simpleness of the run and how easy it was to find good perma's.

2. Kbar fully ruined a good arguement of making this build better.

3. nice to see, i don't see a paragon being as usefull and vital as a rit/necro. it would be good as a backup if the party was able to hold 9 people, but its not, I suggest a Necro with high Soul reaping and a assortment of weapon spells/wells.

4. I also belive a 1 hour UW is a speedclear, If it can be done this way, which by the looks of it, has yet to be done, I know you are still in testing but your beating a dead horse, go through wiki archives,guru archives, youll see MANY Builds like this, mobway,armyway,gangway,meleeway,warway,Multiple professions have had builds made and so far, nothing in this particular build stands out to me that hasn't been included in others. and twwtway? name the people who were in the run. exactly, get a core team and im sure it can be done subhour, i personally would not run twwtway and i didnt participate in helping because i was on probation from GS again. And if you must know, glory,me,alex,jordy and a few others have been working on a core team with a mixture of some of impulsions builds (which he stole tactics from Slayer/jordy/me) but we will be using DL way now with a core team to make sure we get a subhour

I know we have a past history of flaming and such, but im not trolling, i see the effort you and your guild are putting into this build, it saddens me that this much effort and time is being.....well not wasted but detained from doing and making other good builds, im sure this thread will be dwarfed by the new DL way but i would like to eventually try the finished product. But with a few more changes and if you get better terras OR better yet, teach your terras to be come pro at there areas, get a core team that can consistantly do a sub hour run, Then this build can really get the credit you want it to get

-Oblivion

gwkbar · Apr 07, 2010, 07:12 PM // 19:12

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Originally Posted by Hooded Doom

KBar, if your here to troll, gtfo pls. I have no patience for your kind, and ill ask that your posts be deleted if you persist being arrogant, rude and above all a troll.

Glory told me himself his fastest uw time was 1hr, so im guessing, according to you KBar, hes NEVER done a speedclear?

i already deleted my posts because ppl thought they were trolls. wat i was tryin to get @ is that DL's way for UW is much better for times, and that makin a thread about an UWSC that's not as fast as theirs is sort of pointless. (from my perspective)

And btw you didn't even get permission from ToYs to post this build, according to the guys that actually made this, and they were pissed because you posted the old bars.

When i said that the builds straight up suck, i was right. you posted the old stuff and not even the new stuff that . you pretty much posted the old test builds that they used, which is why i said that the builds sucked. you just posted the new bars, which are decent. ok?

i've seen the newer ones and they look ok. if you think that's trolling, you're too sensitive.

besides, i'm friends with everyone in ToYs, and the creators of this mashway don't even care because you weren't supposed to post the builds on guru until they were finished tweaking it.

so.
ya
I don't go w/ Glory for UW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Feeding

im not trolling, i see the effort you and your guild are putting into this build, it saddens me that this much effort and time is being.....well not wasted but detained from doing and making other good builds, im sure this thread will be dwarfed by the new DL way but i would like to eventually try the finished product. But with a few more changes and if you get better terras OR better yet, teach your terras to be come pro at there areas, get a core team that can consistantly do a sub hour run, Then this build can really get the credit you want it to get

that's what i meant to say

barbie pryncess · Apr 07, 2010, 08:03 PM // 20:03

fair dues guys, these guys have been playing a lot with these builds and have put a lot of effort into it and actually taking the time to train people this way, is it gonna be the meta that all of guildwars uses, no but it is some thing that fun and will def. be sub hr runs.

as for being pissed about build being posted, nah not pissed just disappointed they went up before they were actually ready and they werent even the right builds.

as for kbars trolling hes come to me already and im sure he wasnt meaning for it to be that way just used some poor wording. no harm done

the builds work and everyone that has gone on a mashway run has had a great time with it.

Hooded Doom · Apr 07, 2010, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I dont understand KBar, when i released these builds, DL's builds werent released. Your telling me i shouldnt post because DL were 'going to release their builds some tme in the near future? Your saying everyone who has made UW builds should delete them? Pugs shouldnt do terraway because it takes more than 27 mins? Please enlighten me

we all knew DL'd get the subconset run and best splits first, the problem is that their method isnt pug-able and its hard to complete. Rich told me himself that nobody would want to run those builds because their fair hard. This method is very hard to fail, once we have people understanding their roles (which is happening more and more, usually have 4-5/8 expd players these days) we'll be able to go through smothely and not fail.

My first post talked about how this was a fun, fairly fast method to complete uw. I do it with friends and we have a great time laughing and whatnot on vent. Other guilds are free to try it, and i guaruntee after a couple of runs they'll understand why its so much fun.

I'm not trying to beat DL's 27 mins, i'm trying to share the fun build with everyone.

Also @ Posting the builds before they were ready: There were 2 creators of these builds. Maca and I. Everyone else has helped testing and whatnot but ultimately it is our choice when to release builds. After the issue with Magic and Redway, i didnt want some punk kid stealing my builds of ToYs forums, so i posted them here.

Kbar, if you have anything else you really want to say, dont post it here, pm me please.

Ungle · Apr 07, 2010, 11:42 PM // 23:42

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Originally Posted by Hooded Doom

After the issue with Magic and Redway, i didnt want some punk kid stealing my builds of ToYs forums, so i posted them here.

Hehe Magic didnt really steal builds, he just decided to piss a few people off, which he effectively did, but noone is really mad at him anymore.

PS I like the bars, invite me on moar runs

gwkbar · Apr 08, 2010, 01:28 AM // 01:28

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Originally Posted by Hooded Doom

Kbar, if you have anything else you really want to say, dont post it here, pm me please.

naw i don't. just tryin 2 explain what i meant.

oblivion god · Apr 08, 2010, 01:51 AM // 01:51

First off, if we wanted to do subhour UW, we could, so please don't comment on things of which you know almost nothing about. thanks.

Onto the build, the dervs are useless, bring W/D with Warrior's Endurance and you get SY! in addition to that, tanks become harder to kill, group overall is harder to kill, and you could possibly go 2 frontliners.

Rit doesn't need clumsiness, bring Spirit Siphon instead, solves energy problems.

UA could maybe bring pre prot skills instead of Heal Party and Spotless Mind.

All of the "new" parts of the build are the parts with flaws, I personally think your overthinking it. but if it is for fun, it shouldn't be in the farming section.

Farming for me is more about money, not so much fun.

Bloody Dominator · Apr 08, 2010, 10:43 AM // 10:43

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Originally Posted by oblivion god

Onto the build, the dervs are useless, bring W/D with Warrior's Endurance and you get SY! in addition to that, tanks become harder to kill, group overall is harder to kill, and you could possibly go 2 frontliners.

U could do that, but dervs are so much prettier

So it might be nicer to drop the /A sec, go /W (u could do this atleast on two of the dervs) take SY instead of one of the attack skills and take both mystic and erimites for SY spammage. E should be fine with attackers insight.
Edit: And while ur /W then u could also drop the norn skill for 'Fear Me' for more crits.
Edit 2: Altho that might be hard on ur atribute points spread

Hooded Doom · Apr 08, 2010, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Thanks for the constructive ideas guys.

We consdiered D/W's at the start but thought the UA would be fine healing 3 dervs.

Currently were testing dropping a derv for a Terra 3 to speed things up, and maybe SY would be more useful now that theres slightly less substance in the mainteam. I'll try and get it put in a bar tomorrow to see how it goes.

In addition to this. Dropping one Dervish for a "T3" Utility Terra seems to be a great idea.

using this bar:

We basically use this Terra as a Labtank, grouping the graspings in chamber and setting up a spike. We use snowstorm to kill nightmares making the dervs chances of getting rended minimal.

Furthermore, it pulls inside lab, pops wastes then comes back and solos escort.

Videos of this can be seen here. (I screwed up the chamber pull so i didnt put it up, i will later)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc-OUn7YDNY Chamber Pull

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SV1A...eature=channel Pop wastes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23jl0...eature=channel escort

Videos to come for every area. With new splits we anticipate a 40 minute run. Will keep you all posted =]

oblivion god · Apr 09, 2010, 01:50 AM // 01:50

If your taking a T3 you almost need D/W or W/D.

W/D is better but it's your choice. If you want to bring times down you should use W/D's. Would make it much easier.

Glory bladez · Apr 10, 2010, 06:18 AM // 06:18

why am i mentioned so much here? =P

spun ducky · Apr 10, 2010, 07:08 AM // 07:08

Now now fellas keep it to alliance chat LOL.

Ducky50 · Apr 10, 2010, 07:24 AM // 07:24

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Originally Posted by Glory bladez

why am i mentioned so much here? =P

because your pro LOL

Hooded Doom · Apr 10, 2010, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Ducky's right, Glory is the most consistant terra i take in runs