Curse

Tab · Jul 17, 2007, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by thor hammerbane

Man this makes me want to make a ritualist.
Just a question tho.

How does spirit bond heal you for that 80 hp? With prot spirit, you take 33 dmg, max, and it says that you need to be hit for more than 60 to get healed.

A bit late, but Spirit Bond works off 'theoretical damage', rather than damage after prots. So if an Aatxe was going to hit you for 500, but PS reduces it to 33, SB will trigger because it goes off the 500.

Koning · Jul 17, 2007, 02:30 PM // 14:30

no need to sorry, I'd rather comment long replies than short ones.

First off all, I don't try to hate the build. I've used it (like I said, i still use vwk for kappa's; yes I have a ritualist, if you have read my reply) and it's not bad at all. It has it uses, and like you claimed it's fast in kililng small groups. I also said this was true (if you have read my reply). I also said killing small groups is a good idea if you're going for white weapons. I also said that killing mass groups is better for your rares rate in the long run.

But I commented you in first place since you claimed that rt/mo 330 in THE FASTEST WAY TO SOLO EVERYTHING. You bombed this build to be THE NEW AND BEST way to farm EVERYTHING. And that's not true.

We are on a forum so I thought; let's discuss that.
First, best for you is not best for others. You think best means farming small groups as fast as possible so you get more white weapons. Others think best means killing masses as fast as possible to get more rares in the long term.
You claim that vengefull weapon and RoD make this build the fastest.
If you have 12+ enemies on you, you're better of doing damage to all of them than damage to single enemies. Sure, you have small groups so this single damage is better and more noticable, but if you're going for the large groups like others, this is nothing.
Don't claim that killing massive groups is only for experience. We all know that killing massive groups is more profitable if you look at rares than killing small groups, which takes long to kill the same amount of enemies.
I probably can think of more reasons but Im not gonna write 20 pages now.

Ugh this already sounds like I hate this BUILD, but I'm not hating it! I just don't like how you, rezzdogg, claim that this build is the best...This build has its uses, just like every other build out there. No build with 8 skills is the overall best for all areas in GW...So quit the crap plz kthnx.

AuroraSerpico · Jul 17, 2007, 03:10 PM // 15:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

no need to sorry, I'd rather comment long replies than short ones.

First off all, I don't try to hate the build. I've used it (like I said, i still use vwk for kappa's; yes I have a ritualist, if you have read my reply) and it's not bad at all. It has it uses, and like you claimed it's fast in kililng small groups. I also said this was true (if you have read my reply). I also said killing small groups is a good idea if you're going for white weapons. I also said that killing mass groups is better for your rares rate in the long run.

But I commented you in first place since you claimed that rt/mo 330 in THE FASTEST WAY TO SOLO EVERYTHING. You bombed this build to be THE NEW AND BEST way to farm EVERYTHING. And that's not true.

We are on a forum so I thought; let's discuss that.
First, best for you is not best for others. You think best means farming small groups as fast as possible so you get more white weapons. Others think best means killing masses as fast as possible to get more rares in the long term.
You claim that vengefull weapon and RoD make this build the fastest.
If you have 12+ enemies on you, you're better of doing damage to all of them than damage to single enemies. Sure, you have small groups so this single damage is better and more noticable, but if you're going for the large groups like others, this is nothing.
Don't claim that killing massive groups is only for experience. We all know that killing massive groups is more profitable if you look at rares than killing small groups, which takes long to kill the same amount of enemies.
I probably can think of more reasons but Im not gonna write 20 pages now.

Ugh this already sounds like I hate this BUILD, but I'm not hating it! I just don't like how you, rezzdogg, claim that this build is the best...This build has its uses, just like every other build out there. No build with 8 skills is the overall best for all areas in GW...So quit the crap plz kthnx.

wow... Talk about a party pooper.

p.s. Rezzdogg, i'm loving the build! great work

Koning · Jul 17, 2007, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Edit By Silly Warrior: It's just a build, I want BOTH of you to end this right now, or I'll just keep closing all the threads/posts you make. We don't need it. Take it to Private Messaging if you truly care enough about this. Keep it to yourselves, nobody else cares.

ibex333 · Jul 18, 2007, 01:06 AM // 01:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koning

no need to sorry, I'd rather comment long replies than short ones.

First off all, I don't try to hate the build. I've used it (like I said, i still use vwk for kappa's; yes I have a ritualist, if you have read my reply) and it's not bad at all. It has it uses, and like you claimed it's fast in kililng small groups. I also said this was true (if you have read my reply). I also said killing small groups is a good idea if you're going for white weapons. I also said that killing mass groups is better for your rares rate in the long run.

But I commented you in first place since you claimed that rt/mo 330 in THE FASTEST WAY TO SOLO EVERYTHING. You bombed this build to be THE NEW AND BEST way to farm EVERYTHING. And that's not true.

We are on a forum so I thought; let's discuss that.
First, best for you is not best for others. You think best means farming small groups as fast as possible so you get more white weapons. Others think best means killing masses as fast as possible to get more rares in the long term.
You claim that vengefull weapon and RoD make this build the fastest.
If you have 12+ enemies on you, you're better of doing damage to all of them than damage to single enemies. Sure, you have small groups so this single damage is better and more noticeable, but if you're going for the large groups like others, this is nothing.
Don't claim that killing massive groups is only for experience. We all know that killing massive groups is more profitable if you look at rares than killing small groups, which takes long to kill the same amount of enemies.
I probably can think of more reasons but Im not gonna write 20 pages now.

Ugh this already sounds like I hate this BUILD, but I'm not hating it! I just don't like how you, rezzdogg, claim that this build is the best...This build has its uses, just like every other build out there. No build with 8 skills is the overall best for all areas in GW...So quit the crap plz kthnx.

Dood.. Have you nothing better to do than sit here and waste your time typing this stuff? WHY DO YOU EVEN CARE? Why do you care if Rezdog said his build is the best or not? All that matters is HE SHARED IT! I couldn't care less if Rezzdogg will say in this thread that his build is the best, the LEETEST build the world has ever seen.. I don't care if he says he's my daddy and I'm his b*tch!!! Who gives a damn? It's a forum. In reality I'm the king of ya'll all, and I'm your daddy, but that is another story.

All that matters to me, is that Rezzdogg shared his build with me, and thanx to him, I now have yet another way of making money! THANK YOU REZDOGG!

As for you bud.. Well.. Do you realize that you wasted several minutes of your life typing all that up? It really was a waste cause you accomplished nothing! You could have been farming, you could have been f***ing your girl, you could have been doing whatever else, but you spent your time on a pointless argument. You think you will make Rezzdog realize that he should NOT gloat about his leetness? THINK AGAIN. He will realize that when his time comes.

As for now, excuse him, and everyone else for taking pride in our accomplishments please! Excuse us for feeling good, and gloating about it if we do something nice for ourselves and everyone else. Whether it is right or wrong, it's human nature no?

ShadowsRequiem · Jul 18, 2007, 01:26 AM // 01:26

This is a really awesome build Rezdogg

but I gotta ask when using the rit to farm luxon assassins did you get a lot of rare weapon drops?
cause I like only see gold armor

teotuf · Jul 18, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

ughh... i really don't get how my suggesting of a variation of the build with mo/rt caused this argument...

nowhere in mine and konings posts did we say this was a bad build, we even admitted its advantages. so please, don't take it personally (plus, things tend improve with criticisms and comments, not mindless "omfg this is such a great build")

as for the others who were flaming koning... i really think you should come up with something as good as his e/me before you start to criticize him

360° · Jul 18, 2007, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Thanks a lot, Rezdogg.

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And I guess from now on, I will keep my builds to myself. Especially when Eye of The North comes out... Why share knowledge if people just going to flip out and tell you your stupid? I can't stand the people that just go out of their way to make sure they go to every thread and make sure they put some kind of negative comments, thinking they know everything about everything...

I don't recommend you to do that because of one persons opinion. You've made a couple of GREAT builds, which deserve to be shared with this community. I'm sure when GW:EN comes out you'll invent some more cool farming builds, so I encourage you to keep on sharing your wisdom to people. You've only received one negative comment, rest of them are positive. Ok, enough about it.

If I'm only after ectos in UW, should I use this one or the Rt/W build for it?

Koning · Jul 18, 2007, 08:40 AM // 08:40

Frustrating how people show a lack of reading skills.

Teotuf is totally right, we've never claimed that this was a bad build, we even said it was good in some ways.

People tend to forget where a forum is for; not for giving comments like 'OMG your build is uber fast' but to improve and give critique, so builds can only become better.

I pointed rezdog only on some faults (how he thought about SoA+retribution, and how he claimed that this build was faster and more). I felt that I had to put him back in his place because what he claimed simply isn't true. Same as in the other rt/w thread, where he claims things which aren't true.

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Originally Posted by rezdog

And I guess from now on, I will keep my builds to myself. Especially when Eye of The North comes out... Why share knowledge if people just going to flip out and tell you your stupid? I can't stand the people that just go out of their way to make sure they go to every thread and make sure they put some kind of negative comments, thinking they know everything about everything...

I don't know what to think of this, besides that this is kinda sad. I also feel you are pointing to me, but apperantly you're wrong.
'Go to every thread to give negative comments'. Grow up, you don't see me in every thread first of all. Secondly, this clearly shows that you can't take any critique. It's impossible to expect that every1 gives comments like 'OMG U ROCK' you know...(only exception is if it's true ofcourse

)

Like teotuf said, the others trying to flame me clearly don't know what they are talking about...(and ibex333, I have time for this because I farm faster and thus saving time to do other things....)

Zarn · Jul 18, 2007, 08:55 AM // 08:55

Thanks for the nice build RezDogg

a little hard to use for UW, well in the beginning

but hey, whats a build without any challange?

Koning · Jul 18, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

I'm glad you finally found out that what you were trying to claim was wrong.

And I doubt in first place if people are reading trough all that ( Lately it's either responding 'OMG UBER' or responding how to do this/that while things are explained a few posts above his reply), and if they're not interested they can just skip it...it was our discussion afterall, not theirs.

teotuf · Jul 18, 2007, 02:04 PM // 14:04

well, we are just trying to give you a option of expanding ur guide by adding a viable mo/rt variation... if you don't like it, fine, but plz don't say it things like "retribution and SoA don't work together", or "mo/rt is more energy intensive because u have to renew sb every 2 secs", or "u can't have 400+ hp and survive, cuz vwk don't steal enough for you to survive". those statements are simply not true.

btw, if you can't tell, we are giving you constructive criticisms, not mindless flaming, so plz be a little less defensive.

Silly Warrior · Jul 18, 2007, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Alright Guys I'm not going to be going through 3 pages of flaming and annoying stuff to sort out all the good. I'm only going to tell you all this once.

Its called constructive crit, please do that around here, nobody likes hearing these endless arguements about if it was changed the build would be better.

Perhaps RezDoGG is being a bit stubborn about his build, but if you dislike that, go make another build thread oriented around your idea. Why not?

Koning, RezDoGG, no unconstructive argueing will go on in this thread. If there is, or to the level that there was, I WILL close it.

Keep it clean...please.

Koning · Jul 18, 2007, 03:06 PM // 15:06

Glad you mods took action.

He even began to call me names now... seems to me that calling names whitnesses of a lost discussion...

Maybe you can edit them out?

Dr Imperial · Jul 18, 2007, 03:13 PM // 15:13

"Knucklehead" and "Loser"?

Oh yeah, we probably should edit out those profanities...don't want to harm any children.

ReZDoGG · Jul 18, 2007, 03:50 PM // 15:50

Thanks again Silly... I wanted this non sense to stop. And he took action because I asked him too.

Koning · Jul 18, 2007, 03:54 PM // 15:54

Than why did you even start it and made it evolve like this? (btw for the record, I made them aware of this so don't try to be cool. )

ReZDoGG · Jul 18, 2007, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by Koning

Than why did you even start it and made it evolve like this? (btw for the record, I made them aware of this so don't try to be cool)

You know what, if it makes you happy and feel good on the inside.... you were right this whole time. YOU WIN. now you can live a happy life. lol. Case closed!

and for the record... none of this would happened if you didn't make the claims and comments u did.

Str0b0 · Jul 18, 2007, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I would like to point out that killing the same number of enemies in a large group shouldn't have any bearing on your gold rate. Drops are calculated per death not per group. So if one monster dies it runs the drop calculation algorithm if fifteen monsters die at once it still runs the same algorithm individually. So let us say that you are doing Minister Cho's estate, you decide to pull several small groups together. Ok so now you have a large group but the drop chances are still the same as if you pulled each group individually. The large group myth, and yes until I see the section of game code or an excel spread sheet with the statistical tracking on it it is a myth, needs to stop being perpetuated. Being that this is a farming thread I thought that that needed to be said. RezDoGG I finally got the timing down to keep my energy from cycling out too fast. I have to say that while the build is straightforward it does take a bit to master.

ReZDoGG · Jul 18, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Well its noticeable if you kill a huge group of enemies at once at the same exact second, you do get less drops. I didn't mean less rares... I know you still get rares no matter what if the enemy is goin to drop it, and no matter what size of the group was. But getting them extra merchant stuff does bring in alil money. It's a type of nerf that keeps those massive farming builds from bringing in alot of items and money by doing massive ownage in a very short amount of time. It may not be said, as I don't think they would want to. If they put the nerf in the first place, they won't want anyone knowing how to get around it soon as it takes affect. Some things are left unsaid, and left for us players to figure out. I still think farming decent sized groups is better than farming massive groups...