Curse

Neith · Mar 10, 2011, 02:10 AM // 02:10

With the first mob at 36, I've been able to get it down to the first mob dying in 3 minutes. YES as it was stated it is a SLOW run but a safe run for all levels of experience in farming. The hero that I bring is one that has balth spirit and EoE. with EoE they die much quicker and my timing of skill chains has gotten better. My deaths have occured due to me not paying attention to my enchants or forgetting to disable the bond on my hero. This run wasn't about drop rates or golds or glacial stones, etc. It was about me getting my title for survivor in less time than I thought I would.

Killed u man · Mar 10, 2011, 02:45 AM // 02:45

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Originally Posted by Neith

With the first mob at 36, I've been able to get it down to the first mob dying in 3 minutes. YES as it was stated it is a SLOW run but a safe run for all levels of experience in farming. The hero that I bring is one that has balth spirit and EoE. with EoE they die much quicker and my timing of skill chains has gotten better. My deaths have occured due to me not paying attention to my enchants or forgetting to disable the bond on my hero. This run wasn't about drop rates or golds or glacial stones, etc. It was about me getting my title for survivor in less time than I thought I would.

A safe run would indicate nothing can go wrong. If you lagg or DC, you might die.

Point being: If you want to create a safe way of getting survivor on any character, you should try and use the current existing ways as a baseline. Those being farming those wurms and buying Kath Hammers.

Improving on Kath Hammers is ez since kath hammers requires big money.

Improving on wurms is hard because it's 100% safe, cheap and it gives decent experience.

So the speed of the build does matter, otherwise you're just creating a worse, less secure way of wurm-farming...

Neith · Mar 10, 2011, 04:28 AM // 04:28

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

A safe run would indicate nothing can go wrong. If you lagg or DC, you might die.

Point being: If you want to create a safe way of getting survivor on any character, you should try and use the current existing ways as a baseline. Those being farming those wurms and buying Kath Hammers.

Improving on Kath Hammers is ez since kath hammers requires big money.

Improving on wurms is hard because it's 100% safe, cheap and it gives decent experience.

So the speed of the build does matter, otherwise you're just creating a worse, less secure way of wurm-farming...

that is YOUR point. NOT Mine. For me it is safe, if i fear lag or dc I don't farm. I haven't had any problems with lag. I refuse to pay for hammers to get the title. and wurms is more boring then farming the vaettir's. For me this works. For YOU it may not. This was never meant as a this is safer then your build thread. Aside from the fact that seems like you're saying that I'm not allowed to use my brain or that my friend isn't allowed to use his brain to help me farm the title. As stated, for ME this is safe, it's easy. and for me time isn't a factor in the sense that it will take me less time then the way I WAS going to do the title. Other's may also find this build to be an easy way for them, it may even be a build that someone with less experience at farming will say hey yes they say it's slow but it worked for her, i'll give it a shot.

[email protected] · Mar 10, 2011, 10:51 AM // 10:51

I don't know where the discussion is heading right now cuz i haven't read it all.
But as far as Ranger and Vaettir-Farming goes:

Deadly Paradoxon
Shadow Form
Way of Perfection
Storm Chaser
EBSoH
Snow Storm
Radiation Field
Death's Charche

+ shield +10AR against Earth-dmg (that and your +30 gg elemental will allway get you 0 dmg.)

Just make sure you cast Way of Perfection within deadly Paradaxon and recast it with evry Shadow Form

Cast 1, 2, 3, and 4, Aggro all the Vaettirs, stuck the mob in a corner, do dmg with EBSoH, Snow Storm and Radiation Field, klick scrol just be4 killing the mob. within 3 hours you have your legendary surv.

Kosar The Cruel · Mar 10, 2011, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Tried this out on my Dervish and it's quite effective. I can usually clear both sides in ~5mins. Even with the one hero I'm getting a good number of gold items.
I run: Shadow Arts: 12 Mysticism: 12+1+1 Deadly Arts: 3 Max Deldrimor & Asuran
-Deadly Paradox
-Shadow Form
-Shroud of Distress
-Balthazar's Rage (For burning)
-Heart of Holy Flame (For burning)
-Eremite's Attack (PBAoE)
-Radiation Field
-Alkar's Alchemical Acid

On the Prot/Smite Monk I run:
-Life Barrier
-Life Bond
-Strength of Honor
-Balthazar's Spirit
-GoLE
-Blessed Signet
The reason for Strength of Honor is for the PBAoE effect I can get when using Eremite's Attack. And when used with Heart of Holy Flame I get burning + PBAoE 21dmg. Works quite well. 600k+ towards Survivor.

Thanks WarcryOfTruth.

Being · Mar 10, 2011, 10:55 PM // 22:55

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

I don't know where the discussion is heading right now cuz i haven't read it all.
But as far as Ranger and Vaettir-Farming goes:

Deadly Paradoxon
Shadow Form
Way of Perfection
Storm Chaser
EBSoH
Snow Storm
Radiation Field
Death's Charche

+ shield +10AR against Earth-dmg (that and your +30 gg elemental will allway get you 0 dmg.)

Just make sure you cast Way of Perfection within deadly Paradaxon and recast it with evry Shadow Form

Cast 1, 2, 3, and 4, Aggro all the Vaettirs, stuck the mob in a corner, do dmg with EBSoH, Snow Storm and Radiation Field, klick scrol just be4 killing the mob. within 3 hours you have your legendary surv.

I did something close to this. Rangers can easily tank without a bonder due to their 100 AL against elemental damage - I used Radiant insignias and a staff the entire time; was able to kill the first 36 Vaettir in around 2 minutes solo and repeating until I maxed survivor.

Imaginos · Mar 11, 2011, 08:19 AM // 08:19

does ebon battle standard really help that much with damage capped at 21 from Shadow Form (12)? At rank 0 AAA does 40 damage which is over the 21 cap so I can't see it adding any damage?

EDIT: was curious about EBSoH in the above post so I just went and tested it on my sin. EBSoH does not add any damage to Alkars Alchemical Acid or Snow Storm at all as I expected as Shadow Form caps your non primary sin damage at 21.

You'd be better off with Snow Storm / Alkar's Alchemical Acid / Radiation Field for more damage.

sonarix · Mar 11, 2011, 12:13 PM // 12:13

Does anyone know of a faster and sure way to farm vaettir with a ritualist main if its possible, I'm still a newb at how builds work so I don't really get far with this one, if anyone can lead me into the right direction I'd really appreciate it.

Essence Snow · Mar 11, 2011, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by sonarix

Does anyone know of a faster and sure way to farm vaettir with a ritualist main if its possible, I'm still a newb at how builds work so I don't really get far with this one, if anyone can lead me into the right direction I'd really appreciate it.

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Bonder hero~OwAT44HDnwhxTezLlAAAAAA

Use zealous scythe of enchanting....any max armor setup is fine...sup prot rune on bonder hero.

Bond up flag hero ball foes....once they are tightly aggroed around you cast destruction and lamentation. Use ancestor and splint on recharge. Use destruction on recharge. When vatteirs are close to death use rupture on destruction to prevent vatteirs from healing themselves via ether feast. 3min 60 foe runs are common.

sonarix · Mar 11, 2011, 06:27 PM // 18:27

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Rt/A~OAej8xiM5M8Id2BEj5NxcUuKHA
Bonder hero~OwAT44HDnwhxTezLlAAAAAA

Use zealous scythe of enchanting....any max armor setup is fine...sup prot rune on bonder hero.

Bond up flag hero ball foes....once they are tightly aggroed around you cast destruction and lamentation. Use ancestor and splint on recharge. Use destruction on recharge. When vatteirs are close to death use rupture on destruction to prevent vatteirs from healing themselves via ether feast. 3min 60 foe runs are common.

Gonna give it a try later tonight, thanks. (:

Imaginos · Mar 11, 2011, 07:16 PM // 19:16

Worked some more on my Necro version and this one is far faster then before.

Necromancer/Assassin
12 Shadow Arts, 11+1+2 Blood Magic, 6 Death Magic, 2 Soul Reaping

Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form
Shroud of Distress
Demonic Flesh
Dark Aura
Radiation Field
Alkar's Alchemical Acid
Dark Pact

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Monk/Paragon Bonder
12+1+1 Protection Prayers, 9 Healing Prayers, 7 Divine Favor, 6 Command

Life Barrier
Life Bond
Balthazar's Spirit
Mending
Watchful Spirit
Signet of Devotion
Blessed Signet
"Fall Back!"

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Equipment: a +2 or +3 blood head piece.

Require a 20% enchant item to keep SF up constantly. Spear/Totem Axe/Razjan's frevor/caster weapon works perfectly. Shield will reduce damage a bit too making run safer, add in a +10 vs earth if you really want to go overboard

Information:

Demonic Flesh will do 19 damage to all adjacent foes any time you cast a directly targeted spell on a foe, so it will activate on AAA & DP. Dark Aura will deal 23 (reduced to 21 from SF) to all adjacent foes and you lose 11 health any time you sacrifice life, which is triggered by DP.

Dark Pact sacrifices 10% of your life to deal 45 damage to a single target for the cost of 1 energy (important later on) and triggers DA & DF. Also has a 2 second recharge so is very spammable.

So AAA triggers DF for 19+21 damage aoe.
DP triggers DF & DA. 19+21 damage aoe and 21 to a single target for 11 hp.

Life Sacrifice?! Are you crazy?!! With 5 pips of regen you'll only be spamming DP about 3 or 4 times before needing to recast Shadow form and Radiation field/Alkar's. During this time you will regen to near full health and even if you did manage to get down to 50% health or lower shroud of distress would kick your regen up to 10 pips.

Dark Pact is also great for finishing off singular left over vaettir and allows you to keep Deadly Paradox and Shadow Form going (20 energy cast). You can also easily kill a small group of 4 if you have a bad pull and want to kill every vaettir there.

Counters:
Getting too far from bonder and losing all your bonds....yousa gonna die!
Not keeping up Shadow Form correctly.
Forgetting to recast Dark Aura (slows run down)

Notes/Usage:

Remember to cast Life Barrier before Life Bond
Let your Bonder use Blessed Signet for energy between bonding casts.
Your bonder does not need to have Balthazar's on them. Blessed Signet can keep energy up just fine on its own.
Cast SoD > DParadox > SF after bonds
Gather Foes & rebuff SF
Cast Buffs > Rad Field > Alkars > Dark Pact > Dark Pact (maybe 3rd one)
Refresh SF & any expired buffs
Repeat till foes are dead.

Thanks to the OP for the basic idea for any class.

EDIT: this is a bit faster as you get 2x dark aura proc per sacrifice you do, due to masochism. Bit more dangerous but if you pay attention you'll be fine.... Thanks to Foxbat for that info.

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OAdUYEyWsPT8I6MHQCCbh0BulFC (Rad field version)
OAdUYEyWsPT8I6MHQCCbh0BgNFC (Oppresive gaze version)

12 Shadow Arts, 11+1+2 Blood Magic, 6 Death Magic, 2+3 Soul Reaping

Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form
Shroud of Distress
Demonic Flesh
Masochism
Dark Aura
Alkar's Alchemical Acid OR Radiation Field OR Oppressive Gaze (if no pve skills)
Dark Pact

Equipment: requires a superior soul reaping rune on any armor part. and a +2 or +3 blood head piece.

Require a 20% enchant item to keep SF up constantly. Spear/Totem Axe/Razjan's frevor/caster weapon works perfectly. Shield will reduce damage a bit too making run safer, add in a +10 vs earth if you really want to go overboard

Bellatrixa · Mar 13, 2011, 02:25 AM // 02:25

I've actually had a guildie running a variant of the monk bonder bar with good success.

It's a Mo/R bar with Essence Bond replacing Signet of Devotion and Serpent's Quickness replacing "Fall Back!" (very useful as he doesn't have Nightfall/Factions). I've been tinkering trying to find a replacement for Radiation Field but nothing yet has come to light for me :/ I don't really want to spec into Curses. Snow Storm was of limited effectiveness as I ended up with some scatter (was hoping it'd take them down quicker and the scatter wouldn't be too bad).

khios · Mar 13, 2011, 03:30 AM // 03:30

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Originally Posted by Bellatrixa

I've actually had a guildie running a variant of the monk bonder bar with good success.

It's a Mo/R bar with Essence Bond replacing Signet of Devotion and Serpent's Quickness replacing "Fall Back!" (very useful as he doesn't have Nightfall/Factions). I've been tinkering trying to find a replacement for Radiation Field but nothing yet has come to light for me :/ I don't really want to spec into Curses. Snow Storm was of limited effectiveness as I ended up with some scatter (was hoping it'd take them down quicker and the scatter wouldn't be too bad).

A good body block and youre done :P

FoxBat · Mar 13, 2011, 04:03 AM // 04:03

You want masochism in there, it will proc dark aura a second time. Sup runes should let your soul reaping get high enough.

Imaginos · Mar 13, 2011, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

You want masochism in there, it will proc dark aura a second time. Sup runes should let your soul reaping get high enough.

Didn't realize that masochism would trigger dark aura 2x. Really nice. Very easy to remove either alkars or rad field to toss masochism in and the +3 soul reaping means it lasts its refresh without taking points out of anything else.

You will be at below 50% health far more often with this and seeing the 10 pips of regen constantly but as long as SF doesn't drop or you lose your bonds you'll be fine

Great call.

Inferno Link · Mar 13, 2011, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imaginos

Worked some more on my Necro version and this one is far faster then before.

Necromancer/Assassin
12 Shadow Arts, 11+1+2 Blood Magic, 6 Death Magic, 2 Soul Reaping

Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form
Shroud of Distress
Demonic Flesh
Dark Aura
Radiation Field
Alkar's Alchemical Acid
Dark Pact

OAdUYEyWsPT8I6MHQCCulji0BFC

Monk/Paragon Bonder
12+1+1 Protection Prayers, 9 Healing Prayers, 7 Divine Favor, 6 Command

Life Barrier
Life Bond
Balthazar's Spirit
Mending
Watchful Spirit
Signet of Devotion
Blessed Signet
"Fall Back!"

OwkkAdN5DbajDJeIPEJ/jSSKZHD

Information:

Demonic Flesh will do 19 damage to all adjacent foes any time you cast a directly targeted spell on a foe, so it will activate on AAA & DP. Dark Aura will deal 23 (reduced to 21 from SF) to all adjacent foes and you lose 11 health any time you sacrifice life, which is triggered by DP.

Dark Pact sacrifices 10% of your life to deal 45 damage to a single target for the cost of 1 energy (important later on) and triggers DA & DF. Also has a 2 second recharge so is very spammable.

So AAA triggers DF for 19+21 damage aoe.
DP triggers DF & DA. 19+21 damage aoe and 21 to a single target for 11 hp.

Life Sacrifice?! Are you crazy?!! With 5 pips of regen you'll only be spamming DP about 3 or 4 times before needing to recast Shadow form and Radiation field/Alkar's. During this time you will regen to near full health and even if you did manage to get down to 50% health or lower shroud of distress would kick your regen up to 10 pips.

Dark Pact is also great for finishing off singular left over vaettir and allows you to keep Deadly Paradox and Shadow Form going (20 energy cast). You can also easily kill a small group of 4 if you have a bad pull and want to kill every vaettir there.

Counters:
Getting too far from bonder and losing all your bonds....yousa gonna die!
Not keeping up Shadow Form correctly.
Forgetting to recast Dark Aura (slows run down)

Notes/Usage:

Remember to cast Life Barrier before Life Bond
Let your Bonder use Blessed Signet for energy between bonding casts.
Your bonder does not need to have Balthazar's on them. Blessed Signet can keep energy up just fine on its own.
Cast SoD > DParadox > SF after bonds
Gather Foes & rebuff SF
Cast Buffs > Rad Field > Alkars > Dark Pact > Dark Pact (maybe 3rd one)
Refresh SF & any expired buffs
Repeat till foes are dead.

Thanks to the OP for the basic idea for any class.

How fast does each run take for you? Oh and thanks for the detailed setup/build.. much apprieciated.

WarcryOfTruth · Mar 13, 2011, 09:18 PM // 21:18

I will say this again. None of the builds anyone have posted follow the title of the thread. The title is Any/A, meaning ANY PRIMARY PROFESSION can run the bar. The original post is the only post that has a bar that meets those requirements. Stop posting builds that require a particular primary.

Imaginos · Mar 13, 2011, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Inferno Link

How fast does each run take for you? Oh and thanks for the detailed setup/build.. much apprieciated.

If I don't waste time they take about 4 min. Mine usually take about 5 or 6 due to not trying to do them fast. With the newer setup of masochism you'd probably shave a min off due to more damage packets.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

I will say this again. None of the builds anyone have posted follow the title of the thread. The title is Any/A, meaning ANY PRIMARY PROFESSION can run the bar. The original post is the only post that has a bar that meets those requirements. Stop posting builds that require a particular primary.

You should relax man. People are only tweaking your original build for specific professions to make it more efficient for those professions. Using your basic any profession build as a template. I doubt that there is anything anyone would be able to add to your any profession template to improve it.

Be happy you gave people a base for every profession to potentially tweak for faster, safer runs to get things like the survivor title or to get event drops where before it was limited to only a few professions.

shaygo · Dec 16, 2011, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imaginos

Information:

Dark Pact sacrifices 10% of your life to deal 45 damage to a single target for the cost of 1 energy (important later on) and triggers DA & DF. Also has a 2 second recharge so is very spammable.

Dark Pact is also great for finishing off singular left over vaettir and allows you to keep Deadly Paradox and Shadow Form going (20 energy cast). You can also easily kill a small group of 4 if you have a bad pull and want to kill every vaettir there.

EDIT: this is a bit faster as you get 2x dark aura proc per sacrifice you do, due to masochism. Bit more dangerous but if you pay attention you'll be fine.... Thanks to Foxbat for that info.

Require a 20% enchant item to keep SF up constantly. Spear/Totem Axe/Razjan's frevor/caster weapon works perfectly. Shield will reduce damage a bit too making run safer, add in a +10 vs earth if you really want to go overboard

I tried to find a way to combine the advantage of Masochism with less risk due to the health lost. so, using Blood of the Master you only sac 5% and it has the same casting and recharge time as Dark Pact. the only drawback is when you have leftovers... but using EoE on the bonder, there should be no leftovers.

Regarding the equipment, I use a totem axe and an idol (blood) +12 energy/+45hp/+5 armor when enchanted. can be bought from Nago at Wajjun Bazaar.

paranon · Dec 16, 2011, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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