Curse

WarcryOfTruth · Mar 07, 2011, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Hehe, helping a Ranger friend get Survivor, so I came up with this for her to use, they die slowly, but it works with a bonder, Balthazar's Spirit is all that is needed, so enjoy. The build is good for any profession, but of course certain professions already have their own more efficient farming methods for it.

I can't do one of those fancy template things on a website, so here are the skills:

Radiation Field
Alkar's Alchemical Acid
Ebon Battle Standard of Wisdom
Way of the Master
Way of Perfection
Shroud of Distress
Deadly Paradox
Shadow Form

Self-explanatory, but I'm sure people can come up with other ways to modify this into something better. But as far as I'm concerned, this is good for any profession

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And of course, do not forget the Bonder.

Bellatrixa · Mar 07, 2011, 07:14 AM // 07:14

Ok, imo this is NOT good for any profession. Sure you can swap out the 12 Expertise for say, 12 SR, you're not going to be very proficient with the weapon you're wielding. As a Necro, that build would be useless for me. I'm hardly going to be dealing awesome damage with my wand/staff, even worse without points in Marksmanship. Alkar's is a skill that's good against Destroyers but is a projectile, therefore can miss. Light of Deldrimor would be a better choice if you want AoE non-profession specific damage. WotM at only 3% is a waste too. There's probably more but those are the major flaws I'm seeing from just looking at the build straight away.

So yeah, you've essentially come up with a good R/A build for Vaetirrs, although I can't really comment on that as I don't have a Ranger to test it on. I can say right away that for a caster, it sucks.

Nijntjuh · Mar 07, 2011, 07:23 AM // 07:23

so please explain to me why you don't use whirling defence?

WarcryOfTruth · Mar 07, 2011, 07:28 AM // 07:28

The enchantments are to make Shadow Form reduce damage taken to 0. Wisdom is to make Radiation Field and Acid recharge faster to spam them more. I picked Acid over Light of Deldrimor because of Shadow Form's damage cap, the reduced recharge makes it a better choice. Radiation Field kills slowly, at -6 degen for 5 seconds with a 12 recharge, but with Wisdom up you can maybe get it to recharge in 6 seconds so it will still have some downtime, but because they can only heal by casting a spell, and with Shadow Form you prevent that, it works well, the only down side being slow. Energy should not be an issue if you have Balthazar's Spirit up. The most important thing is to of course maintain Shadow Form.

I wasn't going to type out a full tutorial on how to farm Vaettirs because I figured those that have done it would appreciate it, and those that weren't sure would ask someone who did. But, you use Deadly Paradox and then Shadow Form, cast your other enchantments, run around and ball them up, they attack in melee so they will ball super easily. Alkar's Acid will never miss them since they are melee.

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Originally Posted by Nijntjuh

so please explain to me why you don't use whirling defence?

They are melee, Whirling Defense only deals damage if you block a projectile.

Queen Katee · Mar 07, 2011, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Bellatrixa

Ok, imo this is NOT good for any profession. Sure you can swap out the 12 Expertise for say, 12 SR, you're not going to be very proficient with the weapon you're wielding. As a Necro, that build would be useless for me. I'm hardly going to be dealing awesome damage with my wand/staff, even worse without points in Marksmanship. Alkar's is a skill that's good against Destroyers but is a projectile, therefore can miss. Light of Deldrimor would be a better choice if you want AoE non-profession specific damage. WotM at only 3% is a waste too. There's probably more but those are the major flaws I'm seeing from just looking at the build straight away.

So yeah, you've essentially come up with a good R/A build for Vaetirrs, although I can't really comment on that as I don't have a Ranger to test it on. I can say right away that for a caster, it sucks.

First of all, you're so off base its funny. I never post on here anymore but saw your ridiculous accusations and had to respond. Have you even done vaettir farming before? The weapon does not matter as long as its +20% Enchantments. Alkar's damage does not need to be super high as Shadow Form caps the amount dealt. And why would it miss? The vaettirs attack you in melee and don't move their position ever. Light of Deldrimor is not a better choice as it has a longer recharge and the damage is capped just the same as Alkar's. WotM may not be an amazing skill but it does have a purpose believe it or not. This is a safe farming build that works for people of all experience levels. Sure it's not the fastest thing out there but it gets the job done well in a secure manner. There's probably more flaws of "flaws" you pointed out, but I think this will suffice.

Neith · Mar 07, 2011, 08:26 AM // 08:26

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Originally Posted by Bellatrixa

Ok, imo this is NOT good for any profession. Sure you can swap out the 12 Expertise for say, 12 SR, you're not going to be very proficient with the weapon you're wielding. As a Necro, that build would be useless for me. I'm hardly going to be dealing awesome damage with my wand/staff, even worse without points in Marksmanship. Alkar's is a skill that's good against Destroyers but is a projectile, therefore can miss. Light of Deldrimor would be a better choice if you want AoE non-profession specific damage. WotM at only 3% is a waste too. There's probably more but those are the major flaws I'm seeing from just looking at the build straight away.

So yeah, you've essentially come up with a good R/A build for Vaetirrs, although I can't really comment on that as I don't have a Ranger to test it on. I can say right away that for a caster, it sucks.

First off I am the ranger friend that warcry is speaking of. I am cautious by nature and expressed to him that I knew I wouldn't be able to do the FoW farm most were going to be doing. I settled for doing 3 to 4 quests in the UW (vale, chamber, escort, and mountains) since I'm most comfortable there. I know spawns, skills and timing down there. That yields ONLY 25-35k exp in roughly 45 minutes which would take me two weeks to do by doing 4 runs a day everyday.

For this build my attributes where as follows 15 expertise 12 shadow arts and 3 in deadly arts (believe that's the attribute since I'm typing this on my phone). With the skills 4-8 I take ZERO let me repeat ZERO damage the ENTIRE time. I was wielding an asuran earth staff of enchanting (due to farming raptors on my ranger). I dealt 21 damage AoE with alkars and able to cast 2 to 3 times safely before having to recast shadow form plus about two casts of rad field (-6 health dgen) and the ebon standard. My timing will get better so I'm sure my damage will increase per second.

Now all my EotN titles are maxed so that would be the ONLY reason why someones damage isn't the same as mine. In the end I got close to 100k exp out of all the runs we did tonight.

I appreciate the help that I was given in doing this and in the fact that he is willing to share with the guru community. It greatly helps those who need a build that is able to farm close to 100k exp in roughly an hour or less as we were discussing so timeframe would be off. I will edit this post later with screen shots.

Before posting that u think a build is bad perhaps test it out first. As warcry stated it is slower then your average e/me bar BUT it will get me my title much faster then the two weeks it would've taken me doing the 3-4 quests in the uw.

Spiritz · Mar 07, 2011, 10:18 AM // 10:18

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word

Neith · Mar 07, 2011, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word

For you to say slow isn't the word..dumb is my word to you. It doesn't take that much longer then my ele does when I've used her. And as the post above my first one states it is a good build for all experience levels. And considering the fact that I nor the OP use pvxwiki..kudos to him for using his brain instead of someone elses. Time for me isn't a factor and might not be for others, the fact that it is safe to use to gain the survivor title again kudos to the OP for his help to me so that I don't have to spend 45 minutes for 25-35k exp.

chessyang · Mar 07, 2011, 03:20 PM // 15:20

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Originally Posted by Neith

Time for me isn't a factor and might not be for others,

yeah don't worry about it and don't feed the trolls here on guru. Like Queen Katee said i don't post here anymore. I don't post my builds because it's OH NOT PVX approved (aka Meta)

Back to the point. I have to agree the build works. test on my warrior. slow but it works.

no Katee i'm NOT calling you a troll. If i am or did sorry. just a lot of builds and threads go bad because people seem to think PVX trumps everything. But i love to see threads and test other ppls builds and tweak them to my style.

WarcryOfTruth · Mar 07, 2011, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritz

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word

Radiation Field is universal, like I said, IT IS SLOW, but it works for ANY profession. It's not a perfect build, I know that, but all that matters is it works. Professions that can better utilize AoE skills of their own can obviously kill faster than this does, but for professions that may be unable to cause AoE damage quickly (Dervish, Warrior, Necromancer Ritualist), they can use this if they want to. Although thinking about it, the Necromancer may be able to use Demonic Flesh or something to cause damage faster. But that isn't the point. The point is ANY PROFESSION CAN USE IT. I didn't say it is going to decimate in about 3 minutes, I said it was slow, but it's safe, and it works. That's all that matters.

Spiritz · Mar 07, 2011, 07:20 PM // 19:20

Firstly players are more interested in farming vaetires quick - its because of event farming you want speed.
Pvx is only gd for ideas and then improving those ideas - generally both pvx`s suck as they have died and more players are putting builds on here where the critisim doesnt rule by " what works the fastest and we have 2 of those builds already so no more".
If you post on guru you have to take critism - good or bad and i was only stating my views and the slow part was from r/a using a prep build and if you tried survivor on that you may as well go vacation for a few weeks.
Necros can farm vaeitres with or without a bonder and cause aoe dmg , i made a build which in view of how long it took to kill the first mob - wasnt worth it and was only slightly faster on a/n.
Lastly -someone about a yr ago posted a thread on a 3 hero bond setup on which they did survivor in a few hrs and thru the bonds had no dmg.Im sure if that can be found a player can go /e and use the ar ignoring aoe dmg and get their 60 kills faster.Remember the heros are bonders so out of aggro and you get full xp.
If your after survivor then safest way and probably even slower is hm wurms outside boreal with degen or ranged dmg - wurms dont attack and you do the 10 , not even lag / disconnect will kill you ( i got thru it with 2.5k ping on a bad laggy day ).

FoxBat · Mar 07, 2011, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

Although thinking about it, the Necromancer may be able to use Demonic Flesh or something to cause damage faster.

This is the direction we ought to be developing things in though. We can probably make a decent survivor vaettir farmer for every class. For example I've been running a dervish build that can maintain permanent AoE burn, which achieves the same result as the P/A farmer.

A thought occoured to me that since we're using bonders, we might be able to abuse nature spirits on them. Perhaps quicksand + famine. That's plenty class universal.

WarcryOfTruth · Mar 07, 2011, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by FoxBat

This is the direction we ought to be developing things in though. We can probably make a decent survivor vaettir farmer for every class. For example I've been running a dervish build that can maintain permanent AoE burn, which achieves the same result as the P/A farmer.

A thought occoured to me that since we're using bonders, we might be able to abuse nature spirits on them. Perhaps quicksand + famine. That's plenty class universal.

I agree Fox. As I said in my original post, I'm sure people can turn what I posted into something better, it was nearly 2 in the morning when I came up with it.

Essence Snow · Mar 08, 2011, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word

Just for fun I tried something like that;

It worked, but I have to say that the vatteirs scatter making it a bit annoying.

FoxBat · Mar 08, 2011, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Shadow Form
Deadly Paradox
Shroud of Distress (optional)
Lyssa's Haste
Heart of Holy Flame
Signet of Pious Light
Balthazar's Rage
Whirling Charge (optinal)

12 wind, 14 myst, 12 shadow (using sups)

Keep up lyssas haste, cast HoHF and strip it with signet. It causes 5s burning and recharges in 6. Use Rage to cover the downtime on burn. Whirling charge to run to the zone and gather up mobs faster.

I'm running life barrier/bond/balthz' spirit. Also the mending auras in case I let SF drop a few seconds. Better safe than dead. As is it doesn't have quite enough defense for solo farming, but this could be done with attacker's insight or something.

WarcryOfTruth · Mar 08, 2011, 07:07 AM // 07:07

You guys do know this thread was for a build I posted that can be used by any Primary Profession. You both pinged builds that are R/A or A/R and D/A respectively. It was to help a friend find a build she can use easily to farm her Survivor title. It just so happens that the 3 skills she is using works for any profession. Keep on topic

Spiritz · Mar 08, 2011, 10:11 AM // 10:11

point was most propfessions can already farm vaetires - sadly using sf as main elite ( does mean a few chrs require a hero bonder ) so was on topic as they are any/a and your build is 5/8 sin and 3/8 eotn title skills.
The problem with vaettires is their high ar - its uber high against any ele dmg and quite high against all weapon types.Only ar ignoring aoe , pbaoe or degen/lifesteal/burning works and thats where you stumble into problems.If you use the sf route then you can be limited to needing a bonder hero for energy / only 1 or 2 skills for causing dmg/degen - like the para/sin burning build.Often what you do get buildwise isnt always that efficient/gd/fast and more than often your going to hate the build.
Also the build really depends on that player getting high ranks in eotn for the 3 skills to work properly - fine if you have high titles already but not for a new chr , nothing worse than wanting to farm and finding out you need xx skill thats got from almost end of eotn and you need rank 8 for it to work.I can start a new ele and within 3 hrs have her farming vaetires with no title skills and without having to do eotn for rank/skills.

Essence Snow · Mar 08, 2011, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

You guys do know this thread was for a build I posted that can be used by any Primary Profession. You both pinged builds that are R/A or A/R and D/A respectively. It was to help a friend find a build she can use easily to farm her Survivor title. It just so happens that the 3 skills she is using works for any profession. Keep on topic

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Originally Posted by WarcryOfTruth

Hehe, helping a Ranger friend get Survivor, so I came up with this for her to use, they die slowly, but it works with a bonder, Balthazar's Spirit is all that is needed, so enjoy. The build is good for any profession, but of course certain professions already have their own more efficient farming methods for it.

The reason I noted the ranger one was b/c your friend was a ranger....Ofc there is:

which can be used by any prof having no titles, but there's no reason to when u have better/more fun/more interesting options.

If using a bonder hero one might as well take advantage of mutiple enchants. Life Barrier+life bond basically frees up every slot on ones bar besides SF and dp/sq to hasten killing. Might as well bring Soh, Ess bond, blessed sig, with balth while we are at it. Making the basic /Any vatteir builds to look like:

with options to fill in the rest to taste

MisterB · Mar 08, 2011, 09:32 PM // 21:32

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

If using a bonder hero one might as well take advantage of mutiple enchants. Life Barrier+life bond basically frees up every slot on ones bar besides SF and dp/sq to hasten killing. Might as well bring Soh, Ess bond, blessed sig, with balth while we are at it. Making the basic /Any vatteir builds to look like:

with options to fill in the rest to taste

Essence Bond won't do anything. It returns energy to the caster if the enchanted ally takes physical or elemental damage greater than zero, but you want to reduce damage to zero. The bonder can simply cast Balthazar's Spirit on itself and the player to return energy to both of them.

edit: Is Shadow Form's reduction another exception?

Never mind, I answered my own question. Essence Bond does nothing, whether cast on the bonder or the player, because the damage in both cases is zero.

Imaginos · Mar 10, 2011, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by Spiritz

Radiation field is sort of wasted skill - they only get slight degen at start.
And stating you take zero dmg from the skills you use - welcome to the world of using sf - us a/me , a/mo , me/a , mo /a , n/a , a/n , p/a , a/d and lastly d/a can all farm vaetires and take zero dmg .There was a r/a build already out ( one of the pvx sites had it i think ) and it relied on splash dmg from using err its the prep skill that deals exploding arrows and not the burning one ( too early in morning for brain to work correctly ).
-6 degen for the few secs at start and vaetires being non fleshy .. not really worth it sadly.
The r/a ive seen doesnt rely on a bonder hero and tbh i almost fell asleep when i tried it - slow wasnt the word

Necro/Assassin can farm them without a bonder? I'd like to see a build for that as I've had energy issues trying it on my necro.

I found that the bonder along with rad field, oppressive gaze, alch acid, demonic flesh and you are all weaklings killed them faster then just trying degen and acid.

At first I tried you are all weaklings, oppressive gaze and sig of corruption for engery gain but it refreshes too slow and of course they're not fleshy so they don't bleed or poison at all or seem to disease either. Weakness works fine on them though for damage reduction and a hex to fuel the signet.

EDIT:

By the way this should work fine for a bonder so you don't need 2. Balth spirit goes on both of you. With all of the below bonds on the monk is at -2 energy regen but blessed signet should return 14 energy per use every 10 seconds with divine favor of 8. More then enough until you start getting hit by the vaettir, which at that point the monk won't need to use it.

Life barrier, Life bond, Balth spirit, mending, watchful spirit, blessed signet.
(can add signet of devotion and maybe dash if you really wanted to

).