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arakiba · Jan 17, 2012, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Spent 3 months playing, got 31 HoM points, and my goal of getting to 50 was crushed today when i realized the likelihood of getting it within my lifetime was very slim.

I asked randomly in kamadan on how people went about making money, i got a few replies: "go fck durlesf", "sell your soul", "powertrade bro, its easy", "go farm feathers", "just play normally, you'll get what you need". These were the responses i got. Powertrading requires capital, and is probably the best way even though ive never tried, selling ectos for 13k, buying for 12 or whatever, buying up stuff people are selling for low. Thing is, people blow.....i dont like talking to 90% of you, this is out for me. I dont do retail, dont feel like spamming kamadan all day. And whats the profit there? skimming an ecto off someone like once or twice an hour?

Up next for realistically getting money was feathers, people say its reliable, heck theres even a recent post here about it. How nice, let me make a rit, spend like a week getting it to where i can farm the stuff, to make like what, 15k/hour? Thinking about what i need as far as money is concerned for HoM, ill need thousands, im going to break it down for myself here, i need 20 year 3+ minipets (~25k avg im guessing), 10 hero armors @ ~6k ea, 900k for obby armor, 1000k each for ale/sweet, 200k for 2 more armor sets, 200k for a tormented weapon, 600k in destroyer weapons, 150k for 2 more oppressor weapons, i figure vanquishing will give me the money for skills i need for that title......where does this leave me? ~4600k.

Getting that amount of money would take 90 days. I havent even begun to do any vanquishes, but lets say i do 3 a day getting cartographer in there as well. 15minutes per skill for skill hunter also. ---will take HUNDREDS of days -- playing GW 4-5 hours a day.

I also spent 3.5 hours of my life clicking frosty tonics today....

Short of a miracle, or like above, selling my soul, i dont think im getting any further, it took me like 3 months to get 30 and i thought that was hard, it gets ridiculous after then. I havent even included times for making new characters with builds and thier costs for farming, among many other things. I might get on like a month before GW2 comes out to see whats going on and to see if people are giving stuff away or something, see what prices look like, thats it. i really wanted at least 40 HoM before GW2

Im done GW, thanks for a less than mediocre time. Also totally killed my buzz for GW2.

Lil Leena · Jan 17, 2012, 09:50 AM // 09:50

Why not just play and enjoy the game instead of getting bogged down with 'I must make money'.

The rewards for HoM stop at 30 (35?) so why even bother getting to 40, there's no benefit for it except a title.

Also I think that what you expect is pretty unreasonable, sounds like you just expect to make 4mil in a few days. Making cash and doing titles take time.

Gill Halendt · Jan 17, 2012, 10:10 AM // 10:10

The game is what you make of it.

It's you going for the wrong approach, not the game being broken: this is not HoM-Wars, I couldn't find written anywhere on the box you are required to get 50/50 points to play fine.

Off course you WANT to do it, and you want to do it before GW2 is launched, but, well... that's your problem. 50/50 is the final goal when it comes to the HoM, you can't expect to get there in a few weeks. 90 days of intense playing sounds just about fine, you can't blame the game for you joining this late and then wanting the same rewards people got in years...

enter_the_zone · Jan 17, 2012, 10:17 AM // 10:17

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Originally Posted by arakiba

Up next for realistically getting money was feathers, people say its reliable, heck theres even a recent post here about it. How nice, let me make a rit, spend like a week getting it to where i can farm the stuff, to make like what, 15k/hour?

Yeah, well all farming requires the initial investment in getting there and getting the build. That said, you can run SoS to farm feathers as a Any/Rt outside Seitung Harbour, though an ele is much, much faster.

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Originally Posted by arakiba

Thinking about what i need as far as money is concerned for HoM, ill need thousands,

Yes, you will. 50/50 is supposed to be hard(ish), that's why the item bonuses stop at 30....

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im going to break it down for myself here, i need 20 year 3+ minipets (~25k avg im guessing),

Nah, nowhere near that, especially as most of the ones you need can be white...

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10 hero armors @ ~6k ea,

Not if you farm the armors yourself

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900k for obby armor,

Yeah, this you're screwed on.

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1000k each for ale/sweet,

Or, farm them during an event. I recommend farming the halloween quests on many characters, since this yields stupid amounts of ToT's.... I have a ToT storage char and I only farmed them the one year...

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Originally Posted by arakiba

200k for 2 more armor sets, 200k for a tormented weapon, 600k in destroyer weapons, 150k for 2 more oppressor weapons,

Or, you could farm the items for them...actually, Glint's challenge works well for this and working towards the hero armors, since they drop cores. Oh, and oppressor weps are a piece of piss, just do the daily on multiple chars (having a couple of accounts to leech the quest helps too)

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Originally Posted by arakiba

i figure vanquishing will give me the money for skills i need for that title......where does this leave me? ~4600k.

Getting that amount of money would take 90 days. I havent even begun to do any vanquishes, but lets say i do 3 a day getting cartographer in there as well. 15minutes per skill for skill hunter also. ---will take HUNDREDS of days -- playing GW 4-5 hours a day.

Yes, it will. Well, not really, but it can. Skill hunter is also highly variable, but progress can be made while doing VQ's.

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Originally Posted by arakiba

I also spent 3.5 hours of my life clicking frosty tonics today....

Short of a miracle, or like above, selling my soul, i dont think im getting any further, it took me like 3 months to get 30 and i thought that was hard, it gets ridiculous after then. I havent even included times for making new characters with builds and thier costs for farming, among many other things. I might get on like a month before GW2 comes out to see whats going on and to see if people are giving stuff away or something, see what prices look like, thats it. i really wanted at least 40 HoM before GW2

Im done GW, thanks for a less than mediocre time. Also totally killed my buzz for GW2.

The problem is, you seem to be playing as work, rather than for fun, at which point it will become shit. I positively dawdled my way to 50/50. To be fair, I was dawdling my way to GWAMM before the HOM, and still am. Just gotta VQ Elona now and on a sub-par PVE character too (stupidly devoted to my ranger... try getting a ranger into any elite area pug.... thank you 7 heroes).

Oh, and if it makes you feel any better, I've got better than 6000 hours logged. My brother has better than 9000 hours and he's only got 30/50.

KotCR · Jan 17, 2012, 10:22 AM // 10:22

It's supposed to take that long to get 50/50. That's why there's no tangible rewards for 50/50. It was just something to give the hardcore players something to work towards to keep them busy. Most players are done by and should be done at 30/50. That's why the practical rewards stop there. Which is reasonable, like you said, you got there in 3 monthes.

I'm going to second the other guy and say, stop getting bogged down in "I must make money". Just enjoy the game. There's no point ruining your experience for a measely title that anyone is unlikely to really care about once GW2 hits the shelves.

I'm at 42/50 myself, and while I do ideally want 50/50 too, I've managed to escape getting bogged down in that race to 50/50 and am just enjoying the game (which is also the reason I still haven't done my cartographer titles, they just aren't fun). I've got to this number literally by just playing the game a few hours a day (or sometimes all day, or sometimes not at all, I don't really have a fixed pattern, it isn't a priority for me when it all depends what happens in my rl)

As for spending 3.5 hours using tonics...I wouldn't bother. Just carry them with you wherever you go whatever else you are doing at the time and use one everytime you zone anyway to do what you are doing. Far less frustrating.

Spiritz · Jan 17, 2012, 10:32 AM // 10:32

If i say anything already said by above poster - lazy on my side and didnt read his post.
Op - Firstly you say about feathers , You must have missed quite a few posts or even forgot to use search.
Feather farming - if as you say you need a rit then im sure as hell within a few hrs your rit will be at seitung harbor on shing jea island and if you walked to jaya bluffs exit and walked through and FOLLOWED several guides ( again use of search button ) you would discover you are in the right place !!!

I dont want to appear rude but your attitude stinks - jeez its so hard to make money in gw ( if you dont use search it is ).
Ignore powertrading as feather farming can be DONE by ANYONE ( im soz about caps trying to make sure op gets the point ) - key word being anyone.Ive seen a newbie players of 2 weeks get into feather farming and they managed to get 100k in over a week of a hr or 2 daily - wow thats so much hard work i must have a sit down.

As for Talkiing to ppl - im sorry to say but this is an ONLINE game - sooner or later you will have to talk to ppl - and if you sit in the main towns etc you can sit and watch for wtb feathers and then pm them .Heres a big hint - Feathers sell like hot cookies due to them being the main ingrediant for Consets.Im not even going to bother going into consets due to reason of your attitude with just feathers - all i will say is this and i hope your better at maths - 1 conset =9k and 10 consets = 90k , a bit of effort and you may do what many of us do and make consets and when we hit 100 we sell them easily ( wow 900k easy money ).
Id suggest you sit down , stop wanting everything easy and handed to you and lastly the best advice i can give - SIT DOWN AND USE SEARCH and LEARN things.
Btw reply isnt intended to be personal - im sure many others will reply and be a lot harsher then me

Stephanie Goldenbow · Jan 17, 2012, 10:58 AM // 10:58

This is a game and it's supposed to be fun. Putting the pressure of getting 50/50 in your HoM is unrealistic after just a few months playing; especially when it does not provide any value other than a title. If you don't like people then there is no reason for you to even consider GW2. GW is an instanced world and with heros/henchmen/mercs you can succeed at the game without interfacing with people much. However GW2 is a wide open game and you have no control over who shows up in your quest.

Wielder Of Magic · Jan 17, 2012, 11:33 AM // 11:33

You sound like someone who is upset for not getting the maximum reward for a minimal amount of effort.

It does not work that way.
If you want the title that comes with 50/50, then invest time and resources into it.
If you are unwilling to do so, then don't complain.
I play the game casually, and got my 50/50 hom and GWAMM on my own pace( around ~ 4500 hours logged).

Its a game, have fun.
As people said, its not work.
But if you want something extraordinary, you will have to put some effort into it.

You don't 'need' 50/50 its just prestige.
You don't need elite armor because they have the same armor rating as ordinary armor.
You don't need rare skinned weapons, they have no advantage over casual skinned weapons.

But if you DO want them, you have to invest in the game.
So either put some effort into it and stop complaining,
Or simply stay with the basic stuff and do not pursue something you are not willing to play for.

Andemius · Jan 17, 2012, 11:50 AM // 11:50

You join date on here makes me wonder why you even bothered making this thread.

Jan 2012. Did you join to simply moan because you realised that high end rewards DO take time?

I couldn't care less about 50/50, i hit 30, and reacheed 37 by simply doing GWAMM. Play the game, and you should achieve a reasonable HoM number anyways.

Here have some cheese.

gremlin · Jan 17, 2012, 11:52 AM // 11:52

I have 6 years play in gw and have 31 points in the hom, might get a few more but not interested in the titles so prob not.
Anyway somewhere it was said the hom was partly a reward for those who showed loyalty to the game over the years.

The intent was that those who had a lot of years invested would have an easier ride to 50 than those starting from scratch, its not impossible to get to 50 in fact with dedicated heroes its easier than it was.

As for creating a ritualist you can feather farm easily with the sos build and I have run that on almost all classes except perhaps warrior.
Monk Ele Necro Assassin Ranger etc all work with a spiritspam build for feather farming.

Maya Cerestiez · Jan 17, 2012, 12:13 PM // 12:13

Go SoS rit in Underworld. I've made 4+stacks of ecto that way.
Clear only the first part with ~17 Aatxes/skeletons, this should take 6-7 minutes once you get the hang of it. 0-2 ectos per run and you'll sometimes end up farming over 100k/hour.

Get into FoWsc for the shards and chance of shiny loot.

Xenomortis · Jan 17, 2012, 12:30 PM // 12:30

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Originally Posted by arakiba

1000k each for ale/sweet

Don't spend the money on those titles; you can max out the Honor Monument without ever getting those.
The only money investments for the titles you need should be Skill Hunter and if you don't PvP at all, rank 3 in the Zaishen Title (needs 200 ZKeys). I guess rank 3 in Misfortune is cost too, what with lockpicks in HM always breaking.

If money is your concern then focus on the stuff that doesn't cost money. Do the vanquishes, get Legendary Guardian, get Master of the North and as you do those, your rep titles max with them and you also get some of the much desired cash you can spend on other things; Destroyer and Tormented Weapons don't cost that much. Oppressor Weapons can be obtained for no money at all if you do the War in Kryta stuff.
The cartography stuff is boring as hell but doesn't cost anything and is another 4 statues for you to get. Doing all the elite areas costs nothing if you can find people to play with or can get into SCs or something. Hell, some of them you can do yourself with heroes. The Underworld, Fissure of Woe, Deep, Urgoz, Domain of Anguish and Sorrow's Furnace all have their own statues.

If that seems too tedious and slow to you, then stop wasting your time and don't play the game; you clearly don't enjoy it.

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Originally Posted by arakiba

Spent 3 months playing, got 31 HoM points, and my goal of getting to 50 was crushed today when i realized the likelihood of getting it within my lifetime was very slim.

Unless you're going to die within the next year or two, that's bullshit.

Sure some of this stuff may take time, but then this stuff wasn't meant to be done within a short period of time. You're trying to catch up with people that have been playing this game for years.

aspi · Jan 17, 2012, 12:38 PM // 12:38

You sound like a spoiled kid to be honest. Yeah omg how is it fair that you have to spent some time to get your Gwamm or 50/50 hom. The the first GWAMM people to get this title spent a lot of time when this even meant something. Same goes for 50/50 hom, if you want it quit whining and get to work.

Now for the constructive, do pvp this will nett you zkeys and if you are any good it will get you lots of zkeys that make enough money for you to get the "buyable" titles.
You can even go lazy from that and buy your VQ and mission titles. Runners are still around.

KZaske · Jan 17, 2012, 01:07 PM // 13:07

You have already maxed out the HoM rewards, the only thing left is titles that don't really do you any good.
Getting to 50/50 was never an easy task, even for those of us you have been playing since the beta. You just need to realize that you are the one that wants 50/50 and you are the one that is going to have to work for it. There I said a dirty word; "work." If you really want 50/50 then suck it up and get to work. It is not impossible, just difficult.

Malafra · Jan 17, 2012, 01:10 PM // 13:10

Well,first off.50/50 is a big deal and you can't just say it takes a lot of money.I've been playing for years and I don't even care about HoM.It's not like unlocking everything will give you some advantage over other players in GW2,just cosmetics.And imo those rewards will be pretty common,I think.And if you came here just for the HoM you're doing it all wrong.Many players(mostly ppl that played it before this existed)still play the game for what it is.And honestly,that's just pure whining you got there.
Ye you joined late,not our problem,but look on the bright side,maybe you get a lucky drop from a dungeon and be rich

.but 50/50 isn't a RULE to get in gw2 and play it...
I'm sorry if I sound rude but that's how I see this.
My suggestion is stop thinking about math and numbers and start enjoying this wonderful game.........

End · Jan 17, 2012, 01:29 PM // 13:29

So sorry that rewards don't get handed to you on a silver platter.

Rushin Roulette · Jan 17, 2012, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by arakiba

I asked randomly in kamadan on how people went about making money, i got a few replies: "go fck durlesf", "sell your soul", "powertrade bro, its easy", "go farm feathers", "just play normally, you'll get what you need".

You seriously whent to Spamadan and expected to get a serious answer even though you say yourself that you donjt want to speak to 90% of GW players?

I mean be honest. 75% of those players you probably dont want to speak to are in Kamadan and the remaining 15% are in Shing Jea Monestary molesting little kids. The 10% you would want to ask make a really big curve around these 2 outposts,

OK. lets break down the answers you received one by one;

"go fck durlesf" - Naked lapdancing with an Ele probably doesnt pay that well apart from a few freaks who want to see a pixelchick repeatedly dislocating their shoulders... and doing it for yourself makes even less money... not rentable.

"sell your soul" - Isnt worth it, its already dedicated and you probably wont get much for it.

"powertrade bro, its easy" - If you have the tiem and the nerve to do it, then it is the best way. You could probably easily start off with 150K and doubble that in about a week. The more you have the faster it grows if you have the dedication, the time and the knowledge. - he downside is you are bound to a few outposts and you dont really get to play the game itself much.

"go farm feathers" - If you find a good farm and have nice luck, then you cna easily get 50K per day this waqy for a few hours dedication. The downside is you are stuck in a few areas and dont get to play the remaining game much.

"just play normally, you'll get what you need" - Have you actually tried this? Play teh game normally as you want to, dont spend everythign as soon as you get any money, only rune out the chars and heroes that you really use and pick up everything, identify everything over 50g (even the white drops) and you will make more money than you expect while actually working on various titles at the same time.

Venganza · Jan 17, 2012, 02:09 PM // 14:09

QQ Much?

You expect to have it all handed to you a platter?

Seriously, there is no compulsion upon you to do anything at all in this game, if YOU wish to achieve 50/50 or Gwamm, you will need to do what the rest of us did.

No one is forcing you to do a God damn thing, so either set goal and achieve them, or don't: your choice.

I will say one thing, I do concur with you that some individuals can be downright rude in local chat in Kamadan, however I presume you are aware that every online game has its share of buffons, so just ignore them.

Sounds to me like you need to find yourself a decent guild that will provide some support/advice and help you achieve whatever goals you deem worthy of attaining.

I recall when I began the odyssey of putting points in the HOM, it seemed impossible, initially I figured I would be lucky to make 20 points. Four months later I had Gwamm.

It seems daunting when you consider that Party or Sweet are 1 million gold each to buy, and Obi seems expensive. Thing is, if you salvage properly, do daily Zaishan and just play the game, it is trivial to make 50k or more a day, certainly I found Obi came a lot faster than I believed possible... oh and I never spent one God damned second "power trading", nor can I understand why anyone in their right mind would spend all day in Kamadan preying upon those who has scant idea of market prices.

Essentially if you want 50/50, don't moan, just do it. Provided you approach things in a methodical way, you may find it all comes together a little sooner than you imagine.

sjr · Jan 17, 2012, 02:10 PM // 14:10

Having played off and on for about 4 and 1/2 years I too had low money, don't really like to play with others, in a guild (still) of 7 people of which none are active and I have become guild leader by just logging into the game. I went from no money and hardly any HoM points to 40ish farily quickly once I did the WiK stuff on 4 characters. Pick and choose the daily quests that yield more war supplies for less work on 1 to all 4 characters. You get stacks of war supplies pretty fast and you can always get 65k for a stack in just a few minutes in LA. Sometimes more if someone has 300g/ws or 75k for a stack or oppressor weapon. I think it was around springtime when I started doing this and have made enough to buy up ectos to get the higher end stuff. Granted this was easier up before Halloween when you could buy 15 ectos for 100k to now where it is in the 10-11 ectos for 100k.

drkn · Jan 17, 2012, 04:05 PM // 16:05

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"powertrade bro, its easy" - If you have the tiem and the nerve to do it, then it is the best way. You could probably easily start off with 150K and doubble that in about a week. The more you have the faster it grows if you have the dedication, the time and the knowledge. - he downside is you are bound to a few outposts and you dont really get to play the game itself much.

Heck, he could easily start with 30k and with a bit of luck, patience and wits, get hundreds of platinum in a week... but not with the presented attitude.